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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:57am

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Just to make a point about technology and energy consumption.

The LED light is one such development that is groundbreaking in the kind of advancement I have been talking about.

It uses a fraction of the energy of incandescent and fluorescent lights (which are hazardous waste).  They also generate next to nothing in heat, requiring no air conditioning (more energy) to offset the heat.  The total energy usage savings of this one development has probably done more than anything else to reduce the greenhouse gases by reducing the need for energy versus direct intervention at the energy producing source.

These advances will come.  Someone is always trying to build a better mousetrap. 
 
yep, but not changing consumption patterns in the hope that there will be some kind of technology fix is also kind of irresponsible, don't you think?  It's going to take both a change in consumption and investment in new technology. Only when we have the new technology can you think about upping your consumption (if you even need to). 
 
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:47am

Just to make a point about technology and energy consumption.

The LED light is one such development that is groundbreaking in the kind of advancement I have been talking about.

It uses a fraction of the energy of incandescent and fluorescent lights (which are hazardous waste).  They also generate next to nothing in heat, requiring no air conditioning (more energy) to offset the heat.  The total energy usage savings of this one development has probably done more than anything else to reduce the greenhouse gases by reducing the need for energy versus direct intervention at the energy producing source.

These advances will come.  Someone is always trying to build a better mousetrap. 
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:29am

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And my favorite, ride a bike.  Yeah, in the snow ...

btw.. I do that all the time in winter. 

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:29am

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To avoid getting nosy and personal, rather than the name of the city, what is the population within the city limits where you reside ?  I live in a city, too.  Population 16,406 as of 2019.


Denver
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:25am

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2. for all those who constantly accuse the climate change proponents of sensationalism (and have done for decades), it is kind of sobering to think, IPCC  predictions are consistently turning out true.

Climate models are a hoax too!
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:24am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

gotta luv it when there is such informed (not) debate in the house. 

1. can we drop the nationalism for a change and realise we are confronting a global problem. What I burn ends up hurting my neighbour and vice versa. End. of. Story.
2. for all those who constantly accuse the climate change proponents of sensationalism (and have done for decades), it is kind of sobering to think, IPCC  predictions are consistently turning out true.
3. new greener technology coupled with more informed agricultural practices and a massive shift in consumption patterns are the key factors if we want to reverse these trends.
4. no we are not fucked (yet) but we are certainly passing on a much worse environment to our kids and some people will indeed be well and truly fucked, some in fact are already as their towns burn around them and sea levels rise.


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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:22am


gotta luv it when there is such informed (not) debate in the house. 

1. can we drop the nationalism for a change and realise we are confronting a global problem. What I burn ends up hurting my neighbour and vice versa. End. of. Story.
2. for all those who constantly accuse the climate change proponents of sensationalism (and have done for decades), it is kind of sobering to think, IPCC  predictions are consistently turning out true.
3. new greener technology coupled with more informed agricultural practices and a massive shift in consumption patterns are the key factors if we want to reverse these trends.
4. no we are not fucked (yet) but we are certainly passing on a much worse environment to our kids and some people will indeed be well and truly fucked, some in fact are already as their towns burn around them and sea levels rise.

BUT I am pretty amazed about the younger generation. Most I know don't eat meat. Don't want to own a car. Don't need to fly away on holiday. Buy used stuff and recycle furniture. Because it is now cool to do so. 
If we stopped raising cattle alone, half our problems would be solved. 


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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:20am

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 kurtster wrote:

Didn't you just relocate ?


yes, moved to a smaller apt in the city.
 
To avoid getting nosy and personal, rather than the name of the city, what is the population within the city limits where you reside ?  I live in a city, too.  Population 16,406 as of 2019.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:19am



Maybe it will miraculously disappear too...
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:18am

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Consumerism (and planned obsolescence) is the basis of our economy, just as it was exactly 100 years ago during the last Roaring 20's.  We know how that ended.


With the 30s!
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:12am

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I don't blame capitalism, which is the worst economic system we have, besides all the others.
But your first line is closer to the hear.

Conspicuous consumption was a dirty term in the 80s...now its an economic model, both parties are addicted to.

 
Consumerism (and planned obsolescence) is the basis of our economy, just as it was exactly 100 years ago during the last Roaring 20's.  We know how that ended.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 10:11am

 kurtster wrote:

Didn't you just relocate ?


yes, moved to a smaller apt in the city.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:58am

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Conspicuous consumption was a dirty term in the 80s...now its an economic model, both parties are addicted to.

Kinda like how Animal House was intended to be a put down of fraternities, but they latched onto it with pride and it became a template.


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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:57am

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 kurtster wrote:

Wrong.  They are part of the problem, not the solution, in our current state affairs.  Everyone seems to be fleeing the cities right now, and for a multitude of good reasons.

And my favorite, ride a bike.  Yeah, in the snow ...


go ahead, try to escape...instead being part of the solution.
 
Didn't you just relocate ?
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:54am

 kurtster wrote:

Wrong.  They are part of the problem, not the solution, in our current state affairs.  Everyone seems to be fleeing the cities right now, and for a multitude of good reasons.

And my favorite, ride a bike.  Yeah, in the snow ...


go ahead, try to escape...instead being part of the solution.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:54am

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Because our culture now has moved from "love your brother" and an implied community locally and globally to
"I'm getting mine, good luck getting yours." This is capitalism, which is amoral and simply looking for a way to make a profit, regardless of the damage done.

Hoping that everyone will join hands, sing Kumbaya, and look out for each other was the dream of the hippies, who are now grown and have become the thing they decried. They, literally, paved paradise and put up a parking lot.


I don't blame capitalism, which is the worst economic system we have, besides all the others.
But your first line is closer to the hear.
Conspicuous consumption was a dirty term in the 80s...now its an economic model, both parties are addicted to.

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:44am

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Yep, let's argue over the problem, and throw our hands up and say nothing can be done.
How about we argue over solutions.
You want one that every american can do...stop buying so much crap, ride a bike, buy a smaller home, move back to the city...



Because our culture now has moved from "love your brother" and an implied community locally and globally to
"I'm getting mine, good luck getting yours." This is capitalism, which is amoral and simply looking for a way to make a profit, regardless of the damage done.

Hoping that everyone will join hands, sing Kumbaya, and look out for each other was the dream of the hippies, who are now grown and have become the thing they decried. They, literally, paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:41am

 black321 wrote:
Yep, let's argue over the problem, and throw our hands up and say nothing can be done.
How about we argue over solutions.
You want one that every american can do...stop buying so much crap, ride a bike, buy a smaller home, move back to the city...
 
Wrong.  They are part of the problem, not the solution, in our current state affairs.  Everyone seems to be fleeing the cities right now, and for a multitude of good reasons.

And my favorite, ride a bike.  Yeah, in the snow ...
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:39am

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Some key points from that link include:

  • the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751, it is responsible for 25% of historical emissions;
 
Really ?  The USA was not even a country until 1787.  And when exactly did the industrial revolution take place ?

Just more smoke (cough) and mirrors ...
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 9:26am

Yep, let's argue over the problem, and throw our hands up and say nothing can be done.
How about we argue over solutions.
You want one that every american can do...stop buying so much crap, ride a bike, buy a smaller home, move back to the city...


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