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KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 9:13pm



 cc_rider wrote:


 Really good points.

Batteries require a ton of energy to manufacture, have limited life, and are expensive/difficult to dispose of/recycle. Not to mention, the electricity used to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere: fossils still power a big chunk of our grid. There's no such thing as a 'Zero Emissions Vehicle', not even a fuel cell-powered one. It takes energy to split them little hydrogens offa them little oxygens - where does that come from? Sure you can move the emissions around, but it's never 'zero'.

Even wind and solar energy devices require massive amounts of material and energy to produce and install. Ever seen one turbine blade being transported? By truck. Diesel-burning truck. Not to mention the support vehicles running around clearing intersections and checking overhead power lines. That's one blade, for one turbine. Not saying we shouldn't do it, just don't kid yourself how much pollution goes into making it.

If Mazda can get their SkyActiv X engine dialed in, it will be a sea change in ICE performance. I'm a big fan of Mazda - I think it's the last car company still run by actual engineers - but that engine technology is something special. In an industry where a fraction of a percent improvement is considered a win, they're looking at  10,15,20% or more increase in efficiency.

c.




 

In time, good ideas will come to fruition. The problem is... it takes some time.
You can't legislate it into existence overnight.

black321

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 2:28pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:

Batteries... have limited life

 

I know when E-cars were new there was talk about needing to replace the batteries at 80,000 miles or 5 years, etc. so everyone should just plan on putting $3000 into an old car. I've never known anyone who's had to do this, do you? *knock on wood*
 

mine had a 7 year, 80k warranty...got up to about 60k no problems, until a tree fell on its roof and totaled it
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 2:04pm



 cc_rider wrote:

Batteries... have limited life

 

I know when E-cars were new there was talk about needing to replace the batteries at 80,000 miles or 5 years, etc. so everyone should just plan on putting $3000 into an old car. I've never known anyone who's had to do this, do you? *knock on wood*
cc_rider

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 1:26pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 
That is what my mother said.  Mind you, she had all kinds of not nice things to say.  Far too often.  

Agree with the rest.   Please share any and all thoughts on internal combustion engines.

I am doing my best to reduce, by hiking or bicycling into the downtown village area, for example.  When I do use an automobile, I want it to be in excellent working condition, fuel-efficient with minimum emissions, safe and reliable.  

 
Sorry it took a year to respond. I didn't even realize there was a request. 

The internal combustion engine is a marvel of tech... especially these days.
Today's engines are amazing. They are so controlled by computers, that they run at the top of efficiency for the best gas mileage, emission reduction and reliability. All the time.
To give you an example... there's sensors in the water jacket that listen for detonation in any of the cylinders. When detected... the computer will ever so slightly retard the ignition in that one cylinder to kill the pinging. This is why you need to run the correct octane required for your car. If you choose to run a lower octane to save money... your car will still work. But because the computer is automatically retarding your timing to stop the detonation... you're losing power and contributing to more pollutants into the air.
It's hard to beat the carbon footprint of an internal combustion engine compared to that of a battery powered vehicle today. Not to mention the cost between the two.
Now if they ever get the batteries to work better, and to get them less rotten for the environment (mining raw materials/ disposing/ charging without using electricity/ etc.) life would be good.
This all takes time. I remember when they first legislated emissions on cars back in the mid / late 60's. It turned the engines into jokes. Horrible gas mileage with horrible performance. Especially in the mid 70's.
It took 25 years for technology to finally catch up. Even then it really took another almost 10 years to get it right. Now they are way better... more power and less pollutants at pretty much a discount price.

 Really good points.

Batteries require a ton of energy to manufacture, have limited life, and are expensive/difficult to dispose of/recycle. Not to mention, the electricity used to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere: fossils still power a big chunk of our grid. There's no such thing as a 'Zero Emissions Vehicle', not even a fuel cell-powered one. It takes energy to split them little hydrogens offa them little oxygens - where does that come from? Sure you can move the emissions around, but it's never 'zero'.

Even wind and solar energy devices require massive amounts of material and energy to produce and install. Ever seen one turbine blade being transported? By truck. Diesel-burning truck. Not to mention the support vehicles running around clearing intersections and checking overhead power lines. That's one blade, for one turbine. Not saying we shouldn't do it, just don't kid yourself how much pollution goes into making it.

If Mazda can get their SkyActiv X engine dialed in, it will be a sea change in ICE performance. I'm a big fan of Mazda - I think it's the last car company still run by actual engineers - but that engine technology is something special. In an industry where a fraction of a percent improvement is considered a win, they're looking at  10,15,20% or more increase in efficiency.

c.




KurtfromLaQuinta

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Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 1:04pm



 westslope wrote:


 
That is what my mother said.  Mind you, she had all kinds of not nice things to say.  Far too often.  

Agree with the rest.   Please share any and all thoughts on internal combustion engines.

I am doing my best to reduce, by hiking or bicycling into the downtown village area, for example.  When I do use an automobile, I want it to be in excellent working condition, fuel-efficient with minimum emissions, safe and reliable.  

 
Sorry it took a year to respond. I didn't even realize there was a request. 
The internal combustion engine is a marvel of tech... especially these days.
Today's engines are amazing. They are so controlled by computers, that they run at the top of efficiency for the best gas mileage, emission reduction and reliability. All the time.
To give you an example... there's sensors in the water jacket that listen for detonation in any of the cylinders. When detected... the computer will ever so slightly retard the ignition in that one cylinder to kill the pinging. This is why you need to run the correct octane required for your car. If you choose to run a lower octane to save money... your car will still work. But because the computer is automatically retarding your timing to stop the detonation... you're losing power and contributing to more pollutants into the air.
It's hard to beat the carbon footprint of an internal combustion engine compared to that of a battery powered vehicle today. Not to mention the cost between the two.
Now if they ever get the batteries to work better, and to get them less rotten for the environment (mining raw materials/ disposing/ charging without using electricity/ etc.) life would be good.
This all takes time. I remember when they first legislated emissions on cars back in the mid / late 60's. It turned the engines into jokes. Horrible gas mileage with horrible performance. Especially in the mid 70's.
It took 25 years for technology to finally catch up. Even then it really took another almost 10 years to get it right. Now they are way better... more power and less pollutants at pretty much a discount price.

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020 - 10:23am

Yes.

From a page of Weird Ford Trucks from Brazil
Egctheow

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Posted: Nov 28, 2019 - 12:48am



 Proclivities wrote:
from Sports Illustrated, Jan. 11, 1960

 

Nice one, thank you. The design of the rear end is quite mesmerising, as if they couldn't decide whether it was the front or the rear. Top is rear and bottom is front. I like the alien-esque tail lights. Are the bottom lights reverse lighting?

Could be used as a psych test, "what do you think when you look at this? a) she's getting ready for some comfy farting; b) she must be flashing, but why is he looking the other way?; c) I wonder what she's doing with her toes; d) What's in the boot?
That kind of test might tell you more about the shrink than about the patient though.
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Posted: Nov 27, 2019 - 3:42pm

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Proclivities

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Posted: Nov 14, 2019 - 7:07am

from Sports Illustrated, Jan. 11, 1960

SeriousLee

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Posted: Oct 18, 2019 - 1:26am

 westslope wrote:


 SeriousLee wrote:


......

I want mine to have a CD player. I don't care about the rest. 
 

I'll settle for an MP3 player that reads USB sticks.   Still care about the rest though.  Nothing like getting hit by a car and thrown 15 feet through the air at 16 to get a person thinking about these things....

To people who freak out about oil pipelines:   you actually dare to get into an automobile!?!!  

 
Ouch!
westslope

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Posted: Oct 17, 2019 - 3:50pm



 SeriousLee wrote:


......

I want mine to have a CD player. I don't care about the rest. 

 

I'll settle for an MP3 player that reads USB sticks.   Still care about the rest though.  Nothing like getting hit by a car and thrown 15 feet through the air at 16 to get a person thinking about these things....

To people who freak out about oil pipelines:   you actually dare to get into an automobile!?!!  

SeriousLee

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Posted: Oct 17, 2019 - 1:05pm



 westslope wrote:


 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


........
 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.

 
That is what my mother said.  Mind you, she had all kinds of not nice things to say.  Far too often.  

Agree with the rest.   Please share any and all thoughts on internal combustion engines.

I am doing my best to reduce, by hiking or bicycling into the downtown village area, for example.  When I do use an automobile, I want it to be in excellent working condition, fuel-efficient with minimum emissions, safe and reliable.  

 

I want mine to have a CD player. I don't care about the rest. 
westslope

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Posted: Oct 17, 2019 - 10:49am



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


........
 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.

 
That is what my mother said.  Mind you, she had all kinds of not nice things to say.  Far too often.  

Agree with the rest.   Please share any and all thoughts on internal combustion engines.

I am doing my best to reduce, by hiking or bicycling into the downtown village area, for example.  When I do use an automobile, I want it to be in excellent working condition, fuel-efficient with minimum emissions, safe and reliable.  

haresfur

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Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 16, 2019 - 3:52pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 westslope wrote:

 


 
You mean there are people here who not only dislike internal combustion engines but no longer use them?   Are you saying that there are people here who will refuse surgery because petrochemical plastics might be used or the surgeon might be tempted to install a petrochemical part in their body?

All the others are vacuous green virtue signalling.  These people absolutely insist on finger-pointing the entire world rather than taking personal responsibility.  They are deeply addicted to their cheap energy ideology but want to 'feel better' about themselves.  

 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.

 

" " 
KurtfromLaQuinta

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Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 16, 2019 - 3:46pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 westslope wrote:

 


 

 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.

 


 
Back at chew Scott!  
Except when it comes to the Trivia Quiz!

ScottFromWyoming

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Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 16, 2019 - 2:26pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 westslope wrote:

 


 
You mean there are people here who not only dislike internal combustion engines but no longer use them?   Are you saying that there are people here who will refuse surgery because petrochemical plastics might be used or the surgeon might be tempted to install a petrochemical part in their body?

All the others are vacuous green virtue signalling.  These people absolutely insist on finger-pointing the entire world rather than taking personal responsibility.  They are deeply addicted to their cheap energy ideology but want to 'feel better' about themselves.  

 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.

 


KurtfromLaQuinta

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Location: Really deep in the heart of South California
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 16, 2019 - 12:09pm



 westslope wrote:

 


 
You mean there are people here who not only dislike internal combustion engines but no longer use them?   Are you saying that there are people here who will refuse surgery because petrochemical plastics might be used or the surgeon might be tempted to install a petrochemical part in their body?

All the others are vacuous green virtue signalling.  These people absolutely insist on finger-pointing the entire world rather than taking personal responsibility.  They are deeply addicted to their cheap energy ideology but want to 'feel better' about themselves.  

 
My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.
I'm happy to let people have their opinions. And I'm not going to hate them if I disagree with their opinions.
I just wish those feelings were reciprocated.
westslope

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Posted: Oct 16, 2019 - 7:46am



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


....
 
Mopar is a Chrysler term that started as a parts division. Then modified into an slight acronym from Motor Parts... MoPar.
It morphed to anything related to Chrysler/ Dodge/ Plymouth/ Jeep/ Desoto/ Fargo/ Fiat/ World War 2 stuff/ M1 Abrams tank's/ Lamborghini's/ etc.

I know there are people here who dislike the internal combustion engine... I didn't want to incite a riot of hate.
Even though I don't care.    


 
You mean there are people here who not only dislike internal combustion engines but no longer use them?   Are you saying that there are people here who will refuse surgery because petrochemical plastics might be used or the surgeon might be tempted to install a petrochemical part in their body?

All the others are vacuous green virtue signalling.  These people absolutely insist on finger-pointing the entire world rather than taking personal responsibility.  They are deeply addicted to their cheap energy ideology but want to 'feel better' about themselves.  

KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Oct 15, 2019 - 9:16pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 westslope wrote:
What is MOPAR?   A race?  Classic car parts?  And why on earth would the villagers come at you Kurt with weapons?   

I think you should take the auto stuff somewhere to a thread that does not have ur girl in it.   At the very worst, motivate it as the path of least resistance.   Otherwise, racers, classic car enthusiasts, the serious off-road enthusiasts:  they all play by the rules and do not pose a threat to the public.  What is there not to like?  

. ...... I have a lot more information about Daytona's... but I don't want the villagers coming for me with pitchforks, axes and torches.



 
He's talking about US 


 
See.
Scott will be the first with a torch.




KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Oct 15, 2019 - 9:14pm



 westslope wrote:
What is MOPAR?   A race?  Classic car parts?  And why on earth would the villagers come at you Kurt with weapons?   

I think you should take the auto stuff somewhere to a thread that does not have ur girl in it.   At the very worst, motivate it as the path of least resistance.   Otherwise, racers, classic car enthusiasts, the serious off-road enthusiasts:  they all play by the rules and do not pose a threat to the public.  What is there not to like?  

. ...... I have a lot more information about Daytona's... but I don't want the villagers coming for me with pitchforks, axes and torches.



 
Mopar is a Chrysler term that started as a parts division. Then modified into an slight acronym from Motor Parts... MoPar.
It morphed to anything related to Chrysler/ Dodge/ Plymouth/ Jeep/ Desoto/ Fargo/ Fiat/ World War 2 stuff/ M1 Abrams tank's/ Lamborghini's/ etc.

I know there are people here who dislike the internal combustion engine... I didn't want to incite a riot of hate.
Even though I don't care.    


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