It's called skepticism. Try it, sometime!

Agency Panic and the Culture of Conspiracy

I'll leave you  to your own devices. 

If we cite Newton's laws of motion in slow motion, will that make them believable for you?

Y'all are all too quick on the draw with debunking links and names that only y'all are familiar with.  

I find it most interesting that those who adamantly call out anyone who dares question the official reports have intimately researched the subject to the point of obsession.

Y'all are all too quick on the draw with debunking links and names that only y'all are familiar with. Curiously, y'all all know the same links and names by heart evidently.

C'mon admit it. Its more than just stopping toxic hoaxes. Y'all wouldn't have spent so much time on the matter unless you thought that a conspiracy was even possible in the first place.

I can't even get a pass by stating that for now, its simply an unresolved mystery as far as I am concerned. I have to be called out as willfully ignorant on that stance, rather than left to my own devices. I'm not saying a US government conspiracy is responsible for the events on 9 / 11. I will state though that the Patriot Act was a direct result of 9 / 11 and that 9 / 11 is used as an excuse over and over again to take away our rights and liberties en masse.

What is the most common defense of accusations of a conspiracy in cases like this ? They are impossible on levels or scales required and its just a result of mass incompetency on the part of our government. Funny how the incompetency factor is defended so vigorously. While it may be true, nothing is being done about it. Our government is still just as incompetent or maybe more so as it was on 9 / 11 as evidenced by the Boston Marathon bombing. The Russians gave us the bombers on a silver platter and we still blew it. One can almost argue that it willfully blew it. But once again, instead of going down that road, its just another example of incompetence. Those that accept and defend this incompetence are just as much a problem as those who carry out these heinous acts. There is no skepticism to be found in accepting incompetence. That is willful ignorance if y'all wish to know how I feel about the matter.

Obviously though, there was a major conspiracy by Al Qaeda at the very least. Or is this matter in dispute as well ?

C'mon Kurt.  That was anything but a hoax.  See Wiki, for starters.

That's of course largely a matter of perspective.

...the most monstrous crime ever committed in our lifetimes...

I knew it.

 I have to go meet with the Trilateral Commission about setting world Thorium prices and covering up those 200 mpg carburetor designs.

I will simply remind you of the greatest known successful government hoax.  Far greater in magnitude and success than could be the alleged 9 / 11 conspiracy.

Reagan's Star Wars hoax.  It brought down the Soviet Union.  Bankrupted it out of existence.  How many people were involved in that and still the secret was kept ?  And for many years subsequent to the fall of the USSR.

Our government is capable of doing anything.  It put a man on the moon with rinky dink technology compared to today's in just 6 or so years after the goal was announced. 

Why haven't we gone back to the moon since ?  Because someone lost the blueprints for the Saturn V.

I will simply remind you of the greatest known successful government hoax.  Far greater in magnitude and success than could be the alleged 9 / 11 conspiracy.

Reagan's Star Wars hoax.  It brought down the Soviet Union.  Bankrupted it out of existence.  How many people were involved in that and still the secret was kept ?  And for many years subsequent to the fall of the USSR.

Our government is capable of doing anything.  It put a man on the moon with rinky dink technology compared to today's in just 6 or so years after the goal was announced. 

Why haven't we gone back to the moon since ?  Because someone lost the blueprints for the Saturn V.

Write-in...2016!

Veep to Beanie.

How about another option: poorly informed.

I would like to tell you to read the NIST report, but NIST's web site is down, hostage to the debt ceiling battle. You can read an archived draft of the NIST WTC 7 report at AE911's site. Can't vouch for the chain of custody but until NIST is back online it's what I can find quickly.

If you can't be bothered to read the actual evidence I suppose we could play Who's the Bigger Authority. If a list of people who spent at least five minutes signing a petition trumps the work of an eminent group of academics and engineers who spent 3 years and $40M writing this report then my credibility won't make any difference. But the important things are what was said, not who said them. And that is what should matter here.

I want to repeat another invitation here, an invitation to think this thru. I want you to ponder this: if this group is right, the NIST report authors are dolts/dupes/in on it, and a whole bunch of even less-plausible things have to be true.

It's not enough to say that explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings. All the rest of the events of the day—the four hijackings, the crash into the Pentagon, the trail of the hijackers—are all linked to this, and those things have to be explained as part of this vast, invisible, airtight conspiracy.

Yes, I'm aware that there is an entire industry geared up to sell you a story about this. It has been 12 years since 9/11/01. Since then the most secretive organizations in our government have seen their dirtiest secrets leak. Think about the scale of the conspiracy required to pull off anything like the events of 9/11/01 as the conspiracy industry would have it, and ask yourself: where are they?

Why haven't any of them come forward, as Edward Snowden and Pvt. Manning did? How is it that the vast army responsible hasn't had a single leak, a single deathbed confession, a single ex-wife ratting on them? How is it that a government that can't keep track of laptops full of social security numbers can keep the most monstrous crime ever committed in our lifetimes a secret?

It's not enough to say "I wouldn't put it past them." You need to think thru just what it would take for them to put it past all of us, and ask yourself why a group that all-powerful couldn't even fake some nukes in Iraq.

I think we spoke long ago that Lazy should be  President.

I think we spoke long ago that Lazy should be  President.

Red_Dragon wrote:
How about another option: poorly informed.

I would like to tell you to read the NIST report, but NIST's web site is down, hostage to the debt ceiling battle. You can read an archived draft of the NIST WTC 7 report at AE911's site. Can't vouch for the chain of custody but until NIST is back online it's what I can find quickly.

If you can't be bothered to read the actual evidence I suppose we could play Who's the Bigger Authority. If a list of people who spent at least five minutes signing a petition trumps the work of an eminent group of academics and engineers who spent 3 years and $40M writing this report then my credibility won't make any difference. But the important things are what was said, not who said them. And that is what should matter here.

I want to repeat another invitation here, an invitation to think this thru. I want you to ponder this: if this group is right, the NIST report authors are dolts/dupes/in on it, and a whole bunch of even less-plausible things have to be true.

It's not enough to say that explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings. All the rest of the events of the day—the four hijackings, the crash into the Pentagon, the trail of the hijackers—are all linked to this, and those things have to be explained as part of this vast, invisible, airtight conspiracy.

Yes, I'm aware that there is an entire industry geared up to sell you a story about this. It has been 12 years since 9/11/01. Since then the most secretive organizations in our government have seen their dirtiest secrets leak. Think about the scale of the conspiracy required to pull off anything like the events of 9/11/01 as the conspiracy industry would have it, and ask yourself: where are they?

Why haven't any of them come forward, as Edward Snowden and Pvt. Manning did? How is it that the vast army responsible hasn't had a single leak, a single deathbed confession, a single ex-wife ratting on them? How is it that a government that can't keep track of laptops full of social security numbers can keep the most monstrous crime ever committed in our lifetimes a secret?

It's not enough to say "I wouldn't put it past them." You need to think thru just what it would take for them to put it past all of us, and ask yourself why a group that all-powerful couldn't even fake some nukes in Iraq.