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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 10:12pm

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9. Why didn't the Secret Service immediately take Mr. Bush out of danger to a safe place? If America was under attack and two planes had already crashed into the Twin Towers, why did the Secret Service feel the President was safe in a public school building? His trip to the Booker Elementary School was well publicized to the general public and media.

See answer to Question #8.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 10:06pm

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8. Why was President George W. Bush allowed to remain in the elementary school after Andrew Card whispered to him that the second WTC tower had been struck and that "America was under attack"? Why did Mr. Bush remain sitting in the classroom and continue to listen to children reading a book after he was informed?

Well let's see...

According to Dr. Philip H. Melanson, in his book "The Secret Service" (ISBN 0-7867-1617-7), Secret Service advance teams spend weeks in preparation for a President's visit to locations outside the White House.  By the time that President Bush set foot inside that school, it was by far the most secure building in the area.  If I was protecting the President, I'd probably be inclined to take advantage of that secure location, and not rush out into the open without any plan of action.

Why didn't he immediately leave to contact the Pentagon and direct NORAD to alert fighter jets to fly a protective perimeter over NYC and Washington and to intercept all hijacked airliners?

A.  Leaving the building would have meant leaving the place where the secure communications equipment that was set up for the President's use.
B. George W. Bush has no known clairvoyant abilities, and was unable to predict events yet to happen.
C.  The US wasn't under attack from the Soviet Union.

Why were no fighter jets scrambled until about 90 minutes after the first plane (Flight 11) was identified as being hijacked?

Because no human being has proved to be clairvoyant, nobody could have predicted the future.

At the time, NORAD's job was to detect and challenge foreign warplanes and missiles approaching the US from abroad.  The idea of sending US warplanes to kill US civilians over US soil wasn't just unauthorized back then; it was unconscionable.

In reality, Boston ATC contacted NEADS, requesting an intercept, within 10 minutes of confirmation that Flight 11 was hijacked.  12 minutes after that, a flight of two F-16 interceptors were airborne from Otis Air National Guard Base.  They didn't have a target to vector to, and weren't informed that flight 11 had struck Tower 1.  They proceeded to a holding area off Long Island in time to look on helplessly as flight 175 hit Tower 2.

Approximately one second after the second plane struck, President Bush entered the classroom.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 9:47pm

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Unfortunately, this is probably true...

An Explosive New 9/11 Charge

August 11, 2011

In a new documentary, former national-security aide Richard Clarke suggests the CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers-then covered it up. Philip Shenon on George Tenet's denial.


Of course it's true, you read it on the internet!

It's not new, Clarke first made this speculation (which is what he admits it is—he has no evidence for it) in 2009.

If it were true it still wouldn't amount to anything like a LIHOP/MIHOP scenario, just a failure to share information. But don't let that stop you!

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:49pm

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:35pm


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:33pm

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LowPhreak wrote:
7. There were multiple conflict of interest issues involving most (if not all) of the 9-11 Commission members. From their ties to the CIA, Saudi Arabia, and the Bush administration to investments in the oil industry. Why were such clearly heavily biased insiders chosen?

I'll need all their names, and all of the allegations of "conflict of interest" to answer this question.
 
Obviously, you have not the slightest rudimentary info on the Commission's make up. I suggest you do a bit of a web search before you insert your foot further into your mouth.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:32pm

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6. In the first Congressional Report on 9-11, why were 28 pages covering the subject of Saudi Arabia and their ties to funding terrorist groups redacted from the final report?

Because it would violate the laws of nature.

I can do tomorrow's work today, but I can't live tomorrow's life today.
 
What? Here it's clear that you've gone completely insane. The records on SA/terrorist funding as above were redacted. It's a matter of official record.

You should quit and seek professional treatment, or tell your handlers that the ruse is not working.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:28pm

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7. There were multiple conflict of interest issues involving most (if not all) of the 9-11 Commission members. From their ties to the CIA, Saudi Arabia, and the Bush administration to investments in the oil industry. Why were such clearly heavily biased insiders chosen?

I'll need all their names, and all of the allegations of "conflict of interest" to answer this question.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:27pm

 Servo wrote:
LowPhreak wrote:
5. Why did President Bush tell the FBI to back off investigating both the Saudi government and the bin Laden family in early 2001?

Who says he did?  Why would the FBI be involved in "investigating" sovereign nations or large families that aren't on US soil?

 
It's a matter of record, but you can obfuscate all you'd like.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:26pm

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6. In the first Congressional Report on 9-11, why were 28 pages covering the subject of Saudi Arabia and their ties to funding terrorist groups redacted from the final report?

Because it would violate the laws of nature.

I can do tomorrow's work today, but I can't live tomorrow's life today.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:26pm

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4. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds gave three and a half hours of behind closed door testimony to the 9-11 Commission. Why did the Commission only write one sentence about her testimony (in a footnote) and why is she under a gag order not to talk about what she knows?

I don't know that this person did give this alleged testimony.  I'm told that this person was never an FBI employee.  Her only relationship with the FBI was as an outside consultant, after 2001-09-11.  If she new something separate from this relationship, and about the 9-11 attacks, she should have disclosed that information immediately.

What judge issued this alleged gag order?  Why, if there is a gag order in place, does this person freely post conspiracy theories on the Web?

 
You're "told" that this person was never an FBI employee? That's hilarious.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374

You are obviously a moron, and/or a shill.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:22pm

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5. Why did President Bush tell the FBI to back off investigating both the Saudi government and the bin Laden family in early 2001?

Who says he did?  Why would the FBI be involved in "investigating" sovereign nations or large families that aren't on US soil?


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:17pm

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4. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds gave three and a half hours of behind closed door testimony to the 9-11 Commission. Why did the Commission only write one sentence about her testimony (in a footnote) and why is she under a gag order not to talk about what she knows?

I don't know that this person did give this alleged testimony.  I'm told that this person was never an FBI employee.  Her only relationship with the FBI was as an outside consultant, after 2001-09-11.  If she new something separate from this relationship, and about the 9-11 attacks, she should have disclosed that information immediately.

What judge issued this alleged gag order?  Why, if there is a gag order in place, does this person freely post conspiracy theories on the Web?


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:16pm

 Servo wrote:
LowPhreak wrote:
3. If the 9-11 Commission actually had been informed of the Able Danger project (tracking the terrorists, including Mohammed Atta) several times, why wasn't any of that covered in their report?

Because it's illegal to leak highly classified information.

The first time that Harry Truman had the slightest clue about the Manhattan Project was after he became POTUS.  That should illustrate how seriously top secret information is treated.

 
This has nothing to do with Truman or Manhattan Project. The results of discovery on Able Danger could have easily been made public, without endangering "state secrets", etc. Even if it did expose some classified info, the need for truthful evidence in this case far outweighed any excuse that "classified" info was exempt from exposure. It has happened many times on other investigations.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:07pm

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3. If the 9-11 Commission actually had been informed of the Able Danger project (tracking the terrorists, including Mohammed Atta) several times, why wasn't any of that covered in their report?

Because it's illegal to leak highly classified information.

The first time that Harry Truman had the slightest clue about the Manhattan Project was after he became POTUS.  That should illustrate how seriously top secret information is treated.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 8:04pm

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LowPhreak wrote:
2. Why didn't the 9-11 Commission mention the Air Force wargames on 9/11: Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance, and the fact that they drew most of the air defense away from the East Coast region on that day?

VG was a computer simulation, so it didn't "draw" any USAF assets anywhere.

VW happened in 1994, so it didn't even apply that day.

NV was also mostly a computer simulation.  It did involve some aircraft, but it still was a simulation.  Because the aircraft involved were deployed over Canada and Alaska, it stands to reason that the bulk of the airborne assets were Canadian, and that any USAF assets were based in or near Alaska.  The only reason I can imagine to deploy assets from as far as the east coast would be in response to an actual shooting war, to replace assets that had been shot down.  I don't recall the USAF, Navy, Marines and numerous National Guard units losing most of their west coast assets (much less an all-out shooting war) that day.

Conclusion:  You're asking a loaded question.  Your error.

 
Mind posting evidence that these were not real operations on 9/11? The truth is: on 9/11, all of these operations were occurring in real time, obviously as a diversion to airport controllers to confuse the whereabouts of the 4 flights that "crashed".

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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 7:56pm

LowPhreak wrote:
2. Why didn't the 9-11 Commission mention the Air Force wargames on 9/11: Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance, and the fact that they drew most of the air defense away from the East Coast region on that day?

VG was a computer simulation, so it didn't "draw" any USAF assets anywhere.

VW happened in 1994, so it didn't even apply that day.

NV was also mostly a computer simulation.  It did involve some aircraft, but it still was a simulation.  Because the aircraft involved were deployed over Canada and Alaska, it stands to reason that the bulk of the airborne assets were Canadian, and that any USAF assets were based in or near Alaska.  The only reason I can imagine to deploy assets from as far as the east coast would be in response to an actual shooting war, to replace assets that had been shot down.  I don't recall the USAF, Navy, Marines and numerous National Guard units losing most of their west coast assets (much less an all-out shooting war) that day.

Conclusion:  You're asking a loaded question.  Your error.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 7:53pm

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1. A record number of "put options" (bets that the price of a stock would drop) were placed just prior to 9-11 on American Airlines, United Airlines, and Morgan Stanley (who leased 22 floors in the World Trade Center (WTC).
 
Betting that the price of a stock will drop is known as a short sale, or "shorting" for short.  Put options are something different.

ORLY? Then maybe you can explain how put options are not what was described in the article.

American Airlines and United Airlines aren't publicly traded companies, BTW.

ORLY again. Explain how AA and UA are not publicly traded on the NYSE/NASDAQ/S&P.

What do put options and/or short sales have to do with this alleged leased space?  It's not like their corporate headquarters were there!  Are you saying that someone conceived and executed the largest mass murder ever just so that they might make a small profit  because three companies lost a little office space?  That seems far-fetched.

Silverstein made a billion dollars (or thereabouts) on the insurance payout for the Towers. Hardly a "small profit".

The CIA monitors stock trading in real-time.

They do?  How do you know?

Because that's the law.

Many of these "put options" have been traced back to the investment firm of A. B. Brown-Deutche Bank.

By whom?  Why does no company of that name seem to exist?

By the CIA as referenced above. Did you miss that? You're saying Deutsche Bank doesn't exist? Perhaps you're nuttier that I first thought, or enjoy lying as a hobby?

http://www.db.com/index_e.htm

Trades cannot be placed anonymously...

Says who?

Again, it's the the law.

...so why hasn't the CIA, FBI, or the SEC investigated these transactions further and determined who purchased these put options?

Well, the CIA is a political intelligence-gathering agency that does its spying only outside of the US.  Stock exchanges are financial, not political organs.  So without some prior evidence linking a political operation of interest to the CIA to these alleged trades in foreign markets (and I don't see any evidence that they were traded on foreign markets on 2001-09-11), it wouldn't fall under the CIA's charter.

The FBI wouldn't get involved unless there was some evidence of interstate criminal wrongdoing surrounding the alleged trades.  The SEC wouldn't get involved unless there was evidence of the companies themselves having illegal ties to these trades.

Because US markets were promptly closed on 2001-09-11, and remained closed for days, this alleged sale, if it was made in US markets, may well have fallen through as a result, meaning that the bet was lost and no crime was committed.

"may well have fallen through"? Is that the best you can do as an excuse? Yes, millions of dollars a day just "fall through" the system, with no accounting of where they went. Please let us know how that's not insane or a gigantic lie.


Who is this person and how did they have prior knowledge of the attacks?

What person?  What prior knowledge?

The World Trade Center in NYC had thousands of tenants.  How does something involving only three of thousands translate into "prior knowledge"?

Yes, that's the question: who or what entity? Your obfuscation does not answer that.

 


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Posted: Aug 13, 2011 - 7:31pm

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1. A record number of "put options" (bets that the price of a stock would drop) were placed just prior to 9-11 on American Airlines, United Airlines, and Morgan Stanley (who leased 22 floors in the World Trade Center (WTC).
 
Betting that the price of a stock will drop is known as a short sale, or "shorting" for short.  Put options are something different.

American Airlines and United Airlines aren't publicly traded companies, BTW.

What do put options and/or short sales have to do with this alleged leased space?  It's not like their corporate headquarters were there!  Are you saying that someone conceived and executed the largest mass murder ever just so that they might make a small profit  because three companies lost a little office space?  That seems far-fetched.

The CIA monitors stock trading in real-time.

They do?  How do you know?

Many of these "put options" have been traced back to the investment firm of A. B. Brown-Deutche Bank.

By whom?  Why does no company of that name seem to exist?

Trades cannot be placed anonymously...

Says who?

...so why hasn't the CIA, FBI, or the SEC investigated these transactions further and determined who purchased these put options?

Well, the CIA is a political intelligence-gathering agency that does its spying only outside of the US.  Stock exchanges are financial, not political organs.  So without some prior evidence linking a political operation of interest to the CIA to these alleged trades in foreign markets (and I don't see any evidence that they were traded on foreign markets on 2001-09-11), it wouldn't fall under the CIA's charter.

The FBI wouldn't get involved unless there was some evidence of interstate criminal wrongdoing surrounding the alleged trades.  The SEC wouldn't get involved unless there was evidence of the companies themselves having illegal ties to these trades.

Because US markets were promptly closed on 2001-09-11, and remained closed for days, this alleged sale, if it was made in US markets, may well have fallen through as a result, meaning that the bet was lost and no crime was committed.

Who is this person and how did they have prior knowledge of the attacks?

What person?  What prior knowledge?

The World Trade Center in NYC had thousands of tenants.  How does something involving only three of thousands translate into "prior knowledge"?


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