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nuggler

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 1:14pm

mzpro5 wrote:

Either way they were originally from the Middle East.

As I was saying I really don't have time for this senseless argument you're trying to forment. That's not the point. Please try to get that & stick to the point. The point I'm making is that the Ashkenazi Jews have no claim to Palestine in the same way white Americans have no claim to their ancestral home Europe. Now mzpro5, don't tell me you don't understand what I'm trying to say. I can't make it any plainer than this & I know you're not stupid......? I don't have the time or inclination for your senseless argument that's way off the point in any case. If that makes me a plain dick....hey, then so be it.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:55pm

nuggler wrote:

Someone explain to this child that the point I'm making is that the Ashkenazi are not semite Jews but originate from central Europe who migrated to Russia & who are now immigrating to Israel in their millions. Ashkenazi from Russia !

I'd rather not waste my time on senseless arguing just for arguments sake.

mzpro5 wrote:

You know not of what you speak.

New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe

"Until now, it had been widely assumed by geneticists that the Ashkenazi communities of Northern and Central Europe were founded by men who came from the Middle East, perhaps as traders, and by the women from each local population whom they took as wives and converted to Judaism.

But the new study, published online this week in The American Journal of Human Genetics, suggests that the men and their wives migrated to Europe together."

Either way they were originally from the Middle East.

Perhaps you prefer not to waste your time because you are wrong.

So when someone corrects you and postulates a different thought you want to take your toys and go home. Now that is a child.

I'm beginning to see your methodology is primarily misstatements, derogatory remarks and just plain being a dick.

Over and out.

nuggler

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:47pm
mzpro5 wrote: Yada yada............ Someone explain to this child that the point I'm making is that the Ashkenazi are not semite Jews but originate from central Europe who migrated to Russia & who are now immigrating to Israel in their millions. Ashkenazi from Russia ! I'd rather not waste my time on senseless arguing just for arguments sake.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:42pm

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I need to see the figures if anyone has them - the %age of the global Ashkenazi pop that supports the Zionist state & its brutalization of the Palestinians they thieved the land from. This is a hunch I admit but my hunch tells me that the majority of Ashkenazi stand behind Zionist global fascism in which case me & them have a problem. As for the holocaust card, I pay it as much attention as I do the race card which is about zero. I'm not denying the holocaust but I'll have you know that it pales in numbers compared to the Russian JEWISH instigated pogroms & the elimination of the Russian middle-class by the largely Jewish Bolsheviks. But you're not even aware of that, are you....? No, I do not hate. But it is my humanitarian duty to resist murderous injustice wherever it might be & right now Israel about tops the list. Too bad that it should result in bad blood between us but I know that I stand on the right side of this issue. Don't get caught on the wrong side of it because I know where your heart lies & it does not lie on the side of oppression. I know this. You just need to rethink your sentiments.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:29pm

nuggler wrote:

I know not of what I speak....?
You don't know how to read your own posts. {#Yes}

Right back at ya
nuggler wrote:

The AshkeNazi are not Semites. They are from Russia.

It was you that said they came from Russia.

And I guess your self righteousness clouded your eyes when I said this in the same post.

mzpro5 wrote:

You know not of what you speak.

New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe

But the new study, published online this week in The American Journal of Human Genetics, suggests that the men and their wives migrated to Europe together."

Either way they were originally from the middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

And the European origin was not Russia but the area we now call Germany.

As it so happens I believe that the Palestinians are being persecuted and had land taken from them but your continual misstatements and slurs need to be pointed out.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:28pm

nuggler wrote:

Hold on a minute about the persecution there. Its bullshit but we'll get to that when I have more time. The AshkeNazi insinuation might have been a low blow but for the most part the APARTHEID state of Israel's Ashkenazi pop supports its policy of genocide against the Palestinians. 94% is the figure I heard so maybe I could be forgiven for making the comparison, no....?

My heritage is Ashkenazi and I don't appreciate your sweeping denigration of an entire group of people like that. My relatives died in the Holocaust, and you are just being insensitive to a group of people who have suffered for generations.

Bullshit? Hardly. I can tell you stories. We're not talking rulers, we're talking poor peasant people, young men who cut off their toes so they wouldn't have to be drafted by the Russians for 25 yrs. On and on...

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:21pm

mzpro5 wrote:

You know not of what you speak.

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: ×Ö·×©Ö°××Ö²Ö¼× Ö¸×Ö´××‎, pronounced <ËaÊkÉËnazim>, singular: <ËaÊkÉËnazi>; also ×Ö°××Ö¼×Öµ× ×Ö·×©Ö°××Ö²Ö¼× Ö¸×, Yehudei Ashkenaz, "the Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north. Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for this region and thus for Germany. Thus, Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally "German Jews." Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe came to be called "Ashkenaz" because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany. (See Usage of the name for the term's etymology.) Ashkenaz is also a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10).

I know not of what I speak....?
You don't know how to read your own posts. {#Yes}

nuggler

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 12:14pm

hippiechick wrote:

This is unnecessary. There are a group of people who do this, but there are plenty of European Jews (and Americans) who want to see peaceful coexistence.

You sound like Helen Thomas: Let's send them back to their native countries, where they have been persecuted for centuries, and let the anti-Semites finish the job.

You really have a lot of nerve. Talk about a hater!

Hold on a minute about the persecution there. Its bullshit but we'll get to that when I have more time. The AshkeNazi insinuation might have been a low blow but for the most part the APARTHEID state of Israel's Ashkenazi pop supports its policy of genocide against Palestinians. 94% of the Israeli pop is the figure I heard so maybe I could be forgiven for making the comparison, no....?

mzpro5

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 11:12am

nuggler wrote:

The AshkeNazi are not Semites. They are from Russia. The semite Jews of Palestine & the Palestinians had been co-existing relatively peacefully for thousands of years bar the odd tribal war. There never was a policy of genocide against eachother until the AshkeNazi Zionists thieved Palestinian land & brutally proceeded to eliminate Palestinians from their own land. The AshkeNazi do not belong. Send them back to the land of their forefathers. Send them back to Germany & Russia.

You know not of what you speak.

New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe

But the new study, published online this week in The American Journal of Human Genetics, suggests that the men and their wives migrated to Europe together."

Either way they were originally from the middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

And the European origin was not Russia but the area we now call Germany.

Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere between the 11th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a basically Germanic language with Hebrew influence (see Jewish language). It had developed in medieval times as the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. The Jewish communities of three cities along the Rhine: Speyer, Worms and Mainz, created the SHUM league (SHUM after the first Hebrew letters of Spira, Warmatia and Magentza). The SHUM-cities are considered the cradle of the distinct Ashkenazi culture and liturgy.

Although in the 11th century, they comprised only 3 percent of the world's Jewish population, at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews. Today they make up approximately 80 percent of Jews worldwide.^<5> Most Jewish communities with extended histories in Europe are Ashkenazim, with the exception of those associated with the Mediterranean region. The majority of the Jews who migrated from Europe to other continents in the past two centuries are Ashkenazim, Eastern Ashkenazim in particular. This is especially true in the United States, where most of the 5.3 million American Jewish population^<6> is Ashkenazi, representing the world's single largest concentration of Ashkenazim.

hippiechick

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 11:09am

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 11:00am

nuggler wrote:

The AshkeNazi are not Semites. They are from Russia. The semite Jews of Palestine & the Palestinians had been co-existing relatively peacefully for thousands of years bar the odd tribal war. There never was a policy of genocide against eachother until the AshkeNazi Zionists stole Palestinian land & brutally proceeded to eliminate Palestinians from their own land. The AshkeNazi do not belong. Send them back to the land of their forefathers, Germany & Russia.

Then I will end with this (because I'm going to get in trouble here at work :/) -

We both agree that Palestinians and Jews can and have lived together peacefully. I would also agree with you that there are jews that work against that in everyway possible. My mother-in-law (ex now), grew up in Israel and she will agree with you and has bemoaned this fact. She is not afraid to speak against it. I think both sides need more voices like hers.

I hope we both live to see the day when peace triumphs.

hippiechick

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:59am

nuggler wrote:

Here is the birth of Rothschild's bloody Nation of Israel:

1895: Edmond James de Rothschild the youngest son of Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild visits Palestine and subsequently supplies the funds to found the first Jewish colonies there, this is to further their long term objective of creating a Rothschild owned country.

1897: The Rothschilds found the Zionist Congress to promote Zionism (a political movement with the sole aim of moving all Jews into a singularly Jewish nation state) and arrange its first meeting in Munich. However due to extreme opposition from local Jews, who are quite happy where they are, this meeting has to be moved to Basle, Switzerland and takes place on 29 August. The meeting is chaired by Ashkenazi Jew, Theodor Herzl, who would state in his diaries,

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews....become worse....this will assist in realization of our plans....I have an excellent idea....I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth....The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends."

Herzl is subsequently elected President of the Zionist Organisation which adopts the, "Rothschild Red Hexagram or Sign," as the Zionist flag which 51 years later will end up as the flag of Israel.

Nice !

It always gets blamed on the Jews.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:50am

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You say isolationism, I say minding your own business.

I don't mean we should become an insular society such as have existed in various places in the past and might best be illustrated in the modern world by say, North Korea. I mean that we should simply stop actively trying to make other nations conform to our desires and stop taking sides with some countries against others.

I agree with you: the US very often plays less of a mediator role and acts more like a bully - which compromises any neutrality we may try to claim.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:48am

justlistening wrote:

All parties in that region have been bloody nuggler. Are there warped and evil motives in the minds of men? Yes. Be they Jewish or Muslim or whatever - there are sick manipulative people with personal agendas. (Was Arafat forthcoming?)

There is enough blame for both sides. If there could be an amnesia bomb in that area, do you think that the people in that area would wake up from it and help one another?

To move forward it's imperative to look in that direction. Both the Jews and the Palestinians are there to stay.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:45am

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Yes, we have a bad habit as a nation of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong. Perhaps it's time to change that. It's my considered opinion that we'd have far fewer people willing to blow themselves up to kill us if we stopped being such imperialist busy bodies.

This may be true - and I'm not entirely confident that it's not. But there is a whole spectrum of options between isolationism and imperialism.

Of course the counter argument is that radical Islam is essentially "imperialistic" and seeks to extend itself over the entire world in which case the US would be surrendering itself.

Has to be some middle ground.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:38am

buddy wrote:

I understand your point of view, but from where I sit being isolationists isn't realistic in today's world. That, of course, doesn't speak to the point of where we decide to be involved, and how.

You say isolationism, I say minding your own business.

justlistening

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:30am

nuggler wrote:

Here is the birth of Rothschild's bloody Nation of Israel:

Nice !

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:28am

justlistening wrote:

Oldslabsides: my sister shares your opinion and I will admit I've pondered whether that would be a better course - still:

Geography/people aside, this has always been a question for the US, or any country really. We weren't part of France, Vietnam, Korea etc. either but we chose not to mind our own business in those places - granted not always with spectacular results but not without success either. Why do we belong to NATO? (yes I know the reasons have changed over the years)

It would be better if the US was undeniably neutral but of course that's not true. Israel is a democratic oasis in that region. In their short history as a nation they've contributed immensly to medicine and science. They are a peaceful people. That is why we like them.
I think the US has an interest in being friends to all parites in the middle east and peace in that region is in the worlds best interest.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:16am

oldslabsides wrote:

Last time I checked, Israel wasn't part of the United States, therefore we are under no obligation towards it. We should really just mind our own business.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 - 10:09am
justlistening wrote: At one time I would have argued this point, but I fear that Netanyahu is Israel's George Bush. That coupled with the militancy of Hamas leads me to believe that they are much less willing to minimize damage. Still don't know about "wiping out" though. I am basing my view on an observation of actions, rather than the words of stated 'official' policy.

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