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Posted: Jun 18, 2013 - 9:13am

 kurtster wrote:
I feel like I'm back in the 60's with all the lying during Viet Nam (I gave the least untruthful answer) and we just had the Pentagon Papers dumped into the open.

My mindset back then was that I will fight for my country but not my government.  Once again the gubmit has clearly been shown to be our enemy.

It sure as hell does not take a genius to figure out what is going on right now.

It was either Holder or Obama who said that we have become a nation of cowards.

And in my humble opinion, those who deny the reality of all this are cowards.
(and I am not calling out anyone here.  I want to be clear about that.  This is where my mind is at in general)

Turn the lights on, brighter than since the 60's.  Cowards and cockroaches both react the same way when the light shines.

Regardless of what it costs the US in our so called national security, to me Snowden is a real hero.  An act of Civil Disobedience and paradigm shifter. 

On this day it makes me consider my father and his and his on so on back to the one who first set ashore on this continent some 367 years ago.  The Constitution means something to me and it is the brightest torch we have to use and it is worth defending and preserving.  If the Constitution scares you, then this is not your country.  The Bill of Rights is facing its biggest attack ever.  And this NSA stuff is all about the 4th Amendment.

Like the 60's, I will not go quietly into the night.

Live Free or Die.

Drill for peace.

{#Meditate}

  I'm not sure anybody really knows what's going on right now. Not even the people doing the surveilling. Seriously. I think there are a lot of headless chickens running around in the name of 'security'.

Which doesn't make it any less dangerous.


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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 1:43pm


GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits
Exclusive: phones were monitored and fake internet cafes set up to gather information from allies in London in 2009

Head of Senate anti-terror committee unaware of metadata spying program - The Globe and Mail


kurtster

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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 9:04am

I feel like I'm back in the 60's with all the lying during Viet Nam (I gave the least untruthful answer) and we just had the Pentagon Papers dumped into the open.

My mindset back then was that I will fight for my country but not my government.  Once again the gubmit has clearly been shown to be our enemy.

It sure as hell does not take a genius to figure out what is going on right now.

It was either Holder or Obama who said that we have become a nation of cowards.

And in my humble opinion, those who deny the reality of all this are cowards.
(and I am not calling out anyone here.  I want to be clear about that.  This is where my mind is at in general)

Turn the lights on, brighter than since the 60's.  Cowards and cockroaches both react the same way when the light shines.

Regardless of what it costs the US in our so called national security, to me Snowden is a real hero.  An act of Civil Disobedience and paradigm shifter. 

On this day it makes me consider my father and his and his on so on back to the one who first set ashore on this continent some 367 years ago.  The Constitution means something to me and it is the brightest torch we have to use and it is worth defending and preserving.  If the Constitution scares you, then this is not your country.  The Bill of Rights is facing its biggest attack ever.  And this NSA stuff is all about the 4th Amendment.

Like the 60's, I will not go quietly into the night.

Live Free or Die.

Drill for peace.

{#Meditate}


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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 8:13am

Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald is now talking much more eloquently than I about the irritation of the hypocrisy of the progressive pundits who have done a complete 180 defending the same terrorists security policies that they were screaming about just 5 years ago.{#Rolleyes}
bokey

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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 4:38am

 GeneP59 wrote:

Shhhhh! I f they know you're up they'll make you make breakfast.  {#Lol}

 
It's done, as am I once I get Pops back to sleep, then it's my turn. Since I can't feel anything in either hand, I guess I'll have to stop them with black magic.

 I hate when I have to do that, it's very taxing.


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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 1:16am

 bokey wrote:

What's keeping me up is Pops bowel reaction to the Generals Tso shrimp.{#Lol}

 Keep telling the truth dude,eventually even the most foolish will realize what's going on.

Geez,I miss sleep.Now I've given up any hope of getting any before Pops breakfast,but after that I'm going to blow off Sunday baseball and try to cure this exhaustion issue.

 Thanks for being honest and speaking the truth.

 
Shhhhh! I f they know you're up they'll make you make breakfast.  {#Lol}
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Posted: Jun 16, 2013 - 1:05am

 kurtster wrote:

I guess I'm taking one for the team tonight.   C2C is gonna keep me up tonight and piss me off.

Enjoy on your favorite I ♥ Radio outlet.

tonight's show
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Hours 2, 3 and 4, Former IRS Special Agent Joe Banister joins John B. Wells to discuss the recent IRS scandal, and why he's spoken out against the fraudulent administration and enforcement of the federal income tax ever since being fired after confronting top IRS officials. In the first hour, political commentator Malcolm Out Loud will react to the NSA spying revelations.



 
What's keeping me up is Pops bowel reaction to the Generals Tso shrimp. {#Lol}

 Keep telling the truth dude, eventually even the most foolish will realize what's going on.

Geez, I miss sleep. Now I've given up any hope of getting any before Pops breakfast, but after that I'm going to blow off Sunday baseball and try to cure this exhaustion issue.

 Thanks for being honest and speaking the truth.
kurtster

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Posted: Jun 15, 2013 - 8:31pm

 bokey wrote:

{#High-five}  Please don't croak dude.The world needs people like you.

 
I guess I'm taking one for the team tonight.  C2C is gonna keep me up tonight and piss me off.

Enjoy on your favorite I ♥ Radio outlet.

tonight's show
1am - 5am ET
10pm - 2am PT
 
 
Sat 06-15

Hours 2, 3 and 4, Former IRS Special Agent Joe Banister joins John B. Wells to discuss the recent IRS scandal, and why he's spoken out against the fraudulent administration and enforcement of the federal income tax ever since being fired after confronting top IRS officials. In the first hour, political commentator Malcolm Out Loud will react to the NSA spying revelations.


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Posted: Jun 15, 2013 - 7:31pm

 kurtster wrote:


This is simply Effing disgusting.   WTF are we paying these bastids for anyway ?

And all the rest, especially the depiction of the Sheeples who too many deny exist.

Happy chemtrails . . . y'all

C2C ought to be really interesting tonight.

 
{#High-five}  Please don't croak dude. The world needs people like you.
kurtster

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Posted: Jun 15, 2013 - 6:58pm

 RichardPrins wrote: 

This is simply Effing disgusting.  WTF are we paying these bastids for anyway ?

And all the rest, especially the depiction of the Sheeples who too many deny exist.

Happy chemtrails ... y'all

C2C ought to be really interesting tonight.
R_P

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Posted: Jun 15, 2013 - 6:34pm


NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants | Politics and Law - CNET News

PRISM part of a much larger government surveillance program

53 Senators Skipped A Classified Briefing On NSA Snooping
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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 4:11pm

 islander wrote:

Flexible?  I'd say a good judge of character, but we've agreed in the past as well so... how about enigmatic?

 
Thank you sir! And I wasn't even fishing for a compliment. However I have never been one to shun them, that would be downright inhospitable.{#Lol}{#Cheers}


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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 3:26pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
Perhaps you can help label me so others will feel more comfortable.{#Wink} (...)

Here you go: {#Wink}


islander

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:55pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
Perhaps you can help label me so others will feel more comfortable.{#Wink} I seem to agree with most of yours and maybe Miamizsuns positions the most. Ready for loaded question; what does that make me?{#Eek}

 
Flexible?  I'd say a good judge of character, but we've agreed in the past as well so... how about enigmatic?
islander

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:53pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Wow, you are working overtime trying to see some praise for the Republicans in what I wrote.  Perhaps I can be more clear: the Republican party has been petty, obstructionists and downright mean not to mention on the wrong side of most social and civil rights issues for the past 50 years or more which is why even though I voted for a couple of Republican presidents over the years, I have never voted for a Republican senator or representative and have never considered myself a Republican. Quite frankly because of their untenable social issue positions, I have completely written them off for the most part for some time. I explained quite clearly why I thought they (progressives) were more hypocritical and more unforgivable imo.  However as Richard pointed out semantically and technically it is incorrect because hypocrisy is hypocrisy.  Now the unforgivable is my personal opinion and I have quite clearly explained why that is.  If you want to think that I am somehow choosing sides in this horrible display of partisan politics from the 2 loser parties, you go right ahead if it makes you feel better.  I am merely expressing why I feel the way I do, whether you think it is because I am some kind of closet Republican or not does not change my feelings on this subject instead makes me wonder why it is so important for you to find that somewhere and what you are even trying to argue.{#Stupid}

 
Let me clarify as well. I do think you align with the Republicans and it colored your original statement. I don't think it means you are a Republican or a proponent of their policies. Likewise I align with the Democrats on most social issues, but I don't think I am a Democrat, just that I lean that direction. I wasn't trying to argue this particular topic, just pointing out that it seemed somehow hypocritical to be more disgusted by they obvious hypocrisy of one side vs. the obvious hypocrisy of the other.  
sirdroseph

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:47pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
The Demonization Machine Cranks Up Against Edward Snowden

It certainly has been amusing (and a bit unexpected from some individuals) to see how (viciously) some people have reacted (which in my case is based primarily on FB and some of the news I have read).

And since the ever-so-delicious topic of hypocrisy came up:

American exceptionalism, seen through the prism of American blunders | Ian Bremmer

  Perhaps you can help label me so others will feel more comfortable.{#Wink} I seem to agree with most of yours and maybe Miamizsuns positions the most. Ready for loaded question; what does that make me?{#Eek}


R_P

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:26pm

The Demonization Machine Cranks Up Against Edward Snowden

It certainly has been amusing (and a bit unexpected from some individuals) to see how (viciously) some people have reacted (which in my case is based primarily on FB and some of the news I have read).

And since the ever-so-delicious topic of hypocrisy came up:

American exceptionalism, seen through the prism of American blunders | Ian Bremmer
sirdroseph

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:23pm

 islander wrote:

No, you stated that the Progressives were " more hypocritical " and "Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable".  And does it matter that the Republicans somehow did more analysis before changing their views (I'm not sure how you quantify that)? 

 
Wow, you are working overtime trying to see some praise for the Republicans in what I wrote.  Perhaps I can be more clear: the Republican party has been petty, obstructionists and downright mean not to mention on the wrong side of most social and civil rights issues for the past 50 years or more which is why even though I voted for a couple of Republican presidents over the years, I have never voted for a Republican senator or representative and have never considered myself a Republican. Quite frankly because of their untenable social issue positions, I have completely written them off for the most part for some time. I explained quite clearly why I thought they (progressives) were more hypocritical and more unforgivable imo.  However as Richard pointed out semantically and technically it is incorrect because hypocrisy is hypocrisy.  Now the unforgivable is my personal opinion and I have quite clearly explained why that is.  If you want to think that I am somehow choosing sides in this horrible display of partisan politics from the 2 loser parties, you go right ahead if it makes you feel better.  I am merely expressing why I feel the way I do, whether you think it is because I am some kind of closet Republican or not does not change my feelings on this subject instead makes me wonder why it is so important for you to find that somewhere and what you are even trying to argue.{#Stupid}


islander

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:11pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Holy misinterpretation Batman! I clearly state that both Republicans and Democrats are equally hypocritical in this matter, but I expect more from progressives not to be because the issues that progressives usually champion are matters of morality and compassion whereas it is pretty clear that Republicans are usually more analytical and cold hearted in regards to a lot of their positions on issues. I am clearly stating that yes, Virginia it is incredibly stupid to shift your view based on the person in power without question.  I am just more surprised, disappointed and quite frankly disgusted with the progressive partisans for changing their opinion on such a basic issue as individual freedoms vs. aggressively pursuing Muslims and the rest of us through increased surveillance.  Where you get that I think the Republicans are a "winner" in all this is beyond me.  I just think the Democrats are a bigger "loser" in this epic fail loser match because I expected more from progressives on this.

Let me be plain and clear; I expect this from the Republicans, they have not exactly been the party of compromise for the past 30 years or so. I have always thought of Democrat liberal partisans as sometimes naive and misguided, but usually well meaning and voting on principle.  I know this is probably silly, but that is how I viewed it and hate to see that myth shattered with stuff like this.

 
No, you stated that the Progressives were " more hypocritical " and "Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable".  And does it matter that the Republicans somehow did more analysis before changing their views (I'm not sure how you quantify that)? 
sirdroseph

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Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:56pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Arguable, for one see Jonathan Haidt's research on "values". I thought "compassion" and "morality" were also "conservative" values. As well as being staunch defendants of "liberty" and small gov. To me there is no real difference in the hypocrisy or opportunism.

As for hawkishness: it would appear (in the current climate) to be a requirement in order to get the power.

 
Good point, I  was actually thinking of all that as I was typing it and yes when it comes down to it, hypocrisy is hypocrisy.
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