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Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 9:33am

Jiggz wrote:


Wow that's compelling: a secondhand account of a secondhand account of an overheard conversation as reported by...a member of the Texas lege? I mean, he oughta know—every member of the Texas lege is well-connected at the US Supreme Court, they get all the scuttlebutt.

You know it's true because it's on C-SPAN.

...who fact-checked this claim. Here's what they said:
Matt Patrick CD32 fabricates a story about SCOTUS on the TX vs PA case.  SCOTUS did not meet in person, so the entire premise of the story is a lie.

Jiggz



Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 2:34am


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Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 1:51am

Two-faced...
Donald Trump And His Lawyers Are Making Sweeping Allegations of Voter Fraud In Public. In Court, They Say No Such Thing

Jiggz



Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 1:14am



 kcar wrote:


 R_P wrote:
Rand 'Toad' Paul: ‘Somebody Has To Do Something’ About GA Election Fraud
Maybe purge some rolls...
Brian Kilmeade did his part. He “asked” Paul, “You think the election was stolen, you tweeted out?”

“Absolutely. I think there’s a great deal of fraud, and it’s not the first time,” Paul said. He then cited “the famous story” of voter fraud by Lyndon Baines Johnson from 1948 which, as Mediaite noted, was a charge the U.S. Supreme Court dropped for lack of evidence and proof.

 

Actually, LBJ or people supporting his campaign did cheat in 1948. Robert Caro's brilliant book "The Means of Ascent" documented those efforts. According to Wikipedia, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black handed down the decision that the federal government could not intervene in a state election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/0...


Here's the difference between 1948 and 2020: all the claims of 2020 election fraud have been exhaustively examined and ruled upon by the courts. State and federal governments have examined the presidential election and claims of fraud. Lawyers for Trump have had EVERY opportunity to provide evidence of fraud to back up their claims.

Nothing came of it. Even though Republican officials and Trump-appointed judges examined the claims. By and large Trump's lawyers have made complete fools of themselves in court.

So let's stop with the fraud and conspiracy crap. RPers talking this story up need to get a grip. If there was evidence of fraud, just about every news organization in the country would jump on that story because it would be the story of the decade.

The show's over. Just because Trump spews a claim of fraud doesn't make it true. Some of you may not ever grasp that fact but there it is.
 
Just a quick something to interject with here - as far as I know, to date not a single judge has heard a single presentation of any testimony or evidence.
Every case has been kicked down the road on a procedural issue or somesuch technicality around standing or suchlike, which is very suspicious to a lot of people, not just Trump supporters.

Not a single court has given any litigant an opportunity to present any evidence or facts or argue their case.

Legacy media tells you that cases have been thrown out of court but doesn't tell you that they have not actually been heard in court.
Not once.

Which begs the question - why not?
Much like with the Hunter Biden laptop story, nobody has really once-and-for-all tried to refute any of the election irregularity claims or testimonies.

So many questions.....and nobody has tried to answer any. ....just *crickets*......or denial. obfuscation, stonewalling, duck-n-dive, screeches of "conspiracy theorists" and "Trump Lies", and calls to "move on".
Or Facebook fact-checks........or pieces on NYT or WP or WSJ.
Which fewer and fewer are believing or swallowing anymore.

Nobody, least of all "just-your- less- than- average - Joe", says "OK, lets give them a an opportunity to make their case before a court. Let a court decide."


Hear their case at least?
What's to lose?

What are you all so afraid of?

Worst case scenario - some honest decent judge hears their case or some aspect of it, decides in their favour, a certain small element of the election is de-certified, and the rest of the house of cards, county-by-county, state-by-state tumbles down and you get another four more years of Trump.
Is that it?
Is that the worst of your fears?

Get a grip on yourself.

Oh, and maybe many people will go to jail.
All those filling in 20 or 30 fake ballots every night after work, making Facebook posts about 'every day doing their little bit, their little something, to get rid of Donald Trump".

I have been watching clips of people being sentenced to jail for voter fraud.
There are lots of those clips.  
A mayor gets 25 years, a poll worker who voted twice gets five. That's plenty enough.

I believe Gitmo has recently been substantially expanded, which is odd at a time when MIddle-Eastern troops are being brought home etc.

Maybe it's to be filled with Antifa and BLM and election riggers? Maybe the Zuck too, but he'll probably get a little section to himself.

Interesting times ahead, for sure!
Jiggz



Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 12:56am



 Isabeau wrote:
Whatevah.

From South Texas I can see Trump supporters who worship weapons, armchair warrior rhetoric and bully bubba behavior.
.... but under 5% could run a complete block without dropping. 

Diabetes, Obesity, Smoking, Unrelenting Anger, SS Disability...
Yea...
I'm just terrified of the rampaging horde about to descend upon us.
 

I'd say, and I'm sure you'd agree, the conditions you describe above are not limited to South Texas or Trump supporters.

I am constantly amazed at Americans general bad health and addiction to big pharma.
It is not normal globally for such a high proportion of a population to be on medication, much less so to be on several medications at once, long-term, year after year.
For all that medicine taking, the general population does seem ridiculously unhealthy.
More interestingly, I have seen amongst friends a sort of proud clutching to ailments and prescriptions like a security blanket, and a sense of personal ownership of the drug side-effects, the debilitating severity of conditions and even a sort of inverse pride in comparing notes on how the medications are reacting with each other.

It's bizarre and sometimes the topic of conversation amongst non-Americans.
Kinda "can't live without the anxiety medications but can't live without monstrous buckets of sugar-laden soda everyday either."
"The rampaging horde".....I get you.....

There are a lot of new guns about, however.
I saw something yesterday from an ammunition manufacturer explaining the ammo shortages at the moment. Interesting calibre shortages - .22LR (varminting but also a nice quiet person-dropping calibre), 30-06 ( mainly hunting calibre but again, a useful longer range heavier-hitting person-dropping calibre) and 9mm ( handguns are for shooting at people, generally). Even .45 Luger. Amazing.
The reason given for the shortages?
7-million more shooters in the market since March.  7 million!!
Are Liberals buying guns too, now?

Interesting......

NIce, humourous comment though....
Jiggz



Posted: Dec 20, 2020 - 12:35am



 steeler wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
steeler wrote:
Opening paragraph of story in today’s Washington Examiner:

Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro published a lengthy report Thursday outlining several examples of voting irregularities that are “more than sufficient” to swing the outcome of the election in President Trump’s favor.

Now, what jumps out that just seems incongruous?

That we have an Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, and that anyone gives a rat's ass what its Director thinks.
 
Yes, pretty  much on the mark! Actually,  better than what I was thinking because you have taken it further: why is the Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing doing a report on election irregularities? How does that fall within that office’s jurisdiction? Of course, Navarro also somehow inserted himself as an expert of sorts on the fight against COVID-19 because he knows how to read data!


 

The report is worth reading.
Again, the message is automatically thought of as meaningless because the messenger piddled in the pool when he was 14 or something.

Yes, he can read data. Very well. He is a professor emeritus of economics and public policy at the Paul Merage School of Business, University of California, Irvine, and the author of over a dozen books on various topics in economics and specializing in issues of balance of trade. He has published peer-reviewed economics research on energy policy, charity, deregulation and the economics of trash collection. Describing Navarro, the Economist magazine wrote that he "is a prolific writer, but has no publications in top-tier academic journals... his research interests are broader than the average economist’s. 

Here is a link to something like a synopsis of the report, an easy 5 minute read with pictures .....Theft by a thousand cuts.  https://thenationalpulse.com/n...

It's really worth reading.
Unless you don't want to know. 

In which case you are edging to the realm of Conspiracy theorists because polling is showing that more and more Americans are steadily shifting  towards the idea that something was dreadfully wrong with the election, and those who think otherwise are steadily becoming the fringe, the conspiracy theorists.


Newsmax Article: McLaughlin Poll: McLaughlin Poll: Majority See Vote Fraud as National Problem

Topics: Elections. Polls & Surveys. Voter FraudPublished: December 15, 2020

By John McLaughlin and Jim McLaughlinTuesday, 15 December 2020 02:17 PMCurrent | Bio | Archive

There is one stunning result in the entire poll: Americans believe there was a serious vote fraud problem in the last election.

Although Election Day is over a month ago, when we asked — “Do you believe there was election and voter fraud in the presidential election between Joe Biden and Donald Trump back in November?” — the plurality of voters, 46%, said yes, with only 45% saying no.

Among American voters the majority is not convinced that voter fraud did not occur in their Presidential election. It is important to note that the poll model reflects the national popular vote of 51% Biden, 47% Trump.

It is concerning that in this poll where a majority of voted for Biden, they still can’t say it was an honest election.

As our presidential electors went this week to cast their votes, almost half the voters said there was clear election and voter fraud.

Since Election Day, and despite media spin the election fraud story is a big nothing, belief among voters of serious vote fraud has grown.

The results of this national survey of 1,000 likely voters, conducted between Dec. 9 and Dec. 13, have shown little difference on several key questions and reveals the same polarization that has dominated the electorate:

  • Only 35% say that the country is headed in the right direction. This is a decline from 41% in our Nov. 3 post-election poll.
  • The generic ballot for Congress remains a virtual dead heat with Republicans at 48% and Democrats at 46%. In our November 24th Newsmax national poll, Republicans led 47% to 45%.
  • The President’s positive job approval rating is 48% which is the same rating as our November 24th Newsmax national poll.
  • Speaker Pelosi remains a very unpopular figure among the majority of voters, 56%, having an unfavorable opinion with only 33% favorable to her, down from November 3rd with 36% favorable to 54% unfavorable.
  • The majority of 52%, want President Trump to continue to fight to change Washington. Back in September it was the same share at 52%.
  • The majority prefers free market capitalism to big government socialism 58% to 16%. Back in September they preferred capitalism over socialism 60% to 18%.
  • The plurality of voters prefers smaller government with fewer services over larger government 48% to 36%. In our November 3rd post-election poll, it was 53% to 46%.

On the economy the number of voters who say that the economy is in recession has fallen to its lowest point since March, 49%, when the virus shut down the economy.

Conversely those who say the economy is not in recession is at its highest point, 44%, since March.

Our monthly trend lines on this question reflect the V shaped economic recovery. However, their outlook on the future economy is now trending negative. On election day 48% of the voters said the economy was getting better and 52% said worse.

Now only 41% say that the economy is getting better, while 52% still say that it is getting worse.

More on Vote Fraud

To read the entire Newsmax article click link below.

https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/electors-voters/2020/12/15/id/1001650/

If the McLaughlins are also felt to have pissed in the pool when they were 14, or are Trump stooges or whatever and somehow thus are useless as pollsters, or Newsmax would make your monitor corrode and fry your brain, or worse - set your hair on fire......

Rasmussen poll: 20-30% of Democrats believe the election was stolen from Trump


steeler

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020 - 12:30pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
steeler wrote:
Opening paragraph of story in today’s Washington Examiner:

Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro published a lengthy report Thursday outlining several examples of voting irregularities that are “more than sufficient” to swing the outcome of the election in President Trump’s favor.

Now, what jumps out that just seems incongruous?

That we have an Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, and that anyone gives a rat's ass what its Director thinks.
 
Yes, pretty  much on the mark! Actually,  better than what I was thinking because you have taken it further: why is the Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing doing a report on election irregularities? How does that fall within that office’s jurisdiction? Of course, Navarro also somehow inserted himself as an expert of sorts on the fight against COVID-19 because he knows how to read data!


Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020 - 12:19pm

steeler wrote:
Opening paragraph of story in today’s Washington Examiner:

Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro published a lengthy report Thursday outlining several examples of voting irregularities that are “more than sufficient” to swing the outcome of the election in President Trump’s favor.

Now, what jumps out that just seems incongruous?

That we have an Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, and that anyone gives a rat's ass what its Director thinks.
steeler

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020 - 12:07pm

Opening paragraph of story in today’s Washington Examiner:

Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro published a lengthy report Thursday outlining several examples of voting irregularities that are “more than sufficient” to swing the outcome of the election in President Trump’s favor.

Now, what jumps out that just seems incongruous?
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 8:24pm

 Isabeau wrote:
Whatevah.

From South Texas I can see Trump supporters who worship weapons, armchair warrior rhetoric and bully bubba behavior.
.... but under 5% could run a complete block without dropping. 

Diabetes, Obesity, Smoking, Unrelenting Anger, SS Disability...
Yea...
I'm just terrified of the rampaging horde about to descend upon us.
 
{#Lol}  sums it up nicely.
Isabeau

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 6:22pm

Whatevah.

From South Texas I can see Trump supporters who worship weapons, armchair warrior rhetoric and bully bubba behavior.
.... but under 5% could run a complete block without dropping. 

Diabetes, Obesity, Smoking, Unrelenting Anger, SS Disability...
Yea...
I'm just terrified of the rampaging horde about to descend upon us.
steeler

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 6:06pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
Today is going to be a bad, bad, very bad day for those who believe Biden actually won the election.

News is breaking all over the place, though maybe not on the sources many choose to follow.

Also, funny how CNN et all are now actually covering the Hunter Biden scandal, innit?
 



*bump*
 
IKR

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 5:43pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:
Today is going to be a bad, bad, very bad day for those who believe Biden actually won the election.

News is breaking all over the place, though maybe not on the sources many choose to follow.

Also, funny how CNN et all are now actually covering the Hunter Biden scandal, innit?
 



*bump*
R_P

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 5:12pm

 kcar wrote:
 R_P wrote:
Rand 'Toad' Paul: ‘Somebody Has To Do Something’ About GA Election Fraud
Maybe purge some rolls...
Brian Kilmeade did his part. He “asked” Paul, “You think the election was stolen, you tweeted out?”

“Absolutely. I think there’s a great deal of fraud, and it’s not the first time,” Paul said. He then cited “the famous story” of voter fraud by Lyndon Baines Johnson from 1948 which, as Mediaite noted, was a charge the U.S. Supreme Court dropped for lack of evidence and proof.
 
Actually, LBJ or people supporting his campaign did cheat in 1948. Robert Caro's brilliant book "The Means of Ascent" documented those efforts. According to Wikipedia, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black handed down the decision that the federal government could not intervene in a state election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/0...

Here's the difference between 1948 and 2020...
 
Indeed looks like shenanigans, even though that's a senatorial race in a different era.
kcar

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 4:50pm



 R_P wrote:
Rand 'Toad' Paul: ‘Somebody Has To Do Something’ About GA Election Fraud
Maybe purge some rolls...
Brian Kilmeade did his part. He “asked” Paul, “You think the election was stolen, you tweeted out?”

“Absolutely. I think there’s a great deal of fraud, and it’s not the first time,” Paul said. He then cited “the famous story” of voter fraud by Lyndon Baines Johnson from 1948 which, as Mediaite noted, was a charge the U.S. Supreme Court dropped for lack of evidence and proof.

 

Actually, LBJ or people supporting his campaign did cheat in 1948. Robert Caro's brilliant book "The Means of Ascent" documented those efforts. According to Wikipedia, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black handed down the decision that the federal government could not intervene in a state election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/0...


Here's the difference between 1948 and 2020: all the claims of 2020 election fraud have been exhaustively examined and ruled upon by the courts. State and federal governments have examined the presidential election and claims of fraud. Lawyers for Trump have had EVERY opportunity to provide evidence of fraud to back up their claims.

Nothing came of it. Even though Republican officials and Trump-appointed judges examined the claims. By and large Trump's lawyers have made complete fools of themselves in court.

So let's stop with the fraud and conspiracy crap. RPers talking this story up need to get a grip. If there was evidence of fraud, just about every news organization in the country would jump on that story because it would be the story of the decade.

The show's over. Just because Trump spews a claim of fraud doesn't make it true. Some of you may not ever grasp that fact but there it is.
R_P

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 3:53pm

Rand 'Toad' Paul: ‘Somebody Has To Do Something’ About GA Election Fraud
Maybe purge some rolls...
Brian Kilmeade did his part. He “asked” Paul, “You think the election was stolen, you tweeted out?”

“Absolutely. I think there’s a great deal of fraud, and it’s not the first time,” Paul said. He then cited “the famous story” of voter fraud by Lyndon Baines Johnson from 1948 which, as Mediaite noted, was a charge the U.S. Supreme Court dropped for lack of evidence and proof.

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 3:53pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:


.........
I'm just a dumb, uneducated Trump supporting purveyor of claptrap and conservative nonsense, probably one of The Deplorables, and so I sometimes find it hard to communicate much beyond grunts and chants of "USA, USA".


 
Interesting exercise in typing.  Rings true, that stereo-type is common.  The lowest common denominator of the Trump movement has been the standard bearer of many in the anti-Trump movement for a few years now.  The Culture Wars with the gloves off.  

It is a familiar game plan.  Dehumanize, demonize and then pounce.

I am sure there are many thoughtful, respectful Trump supporters.  Though I do not understand why these folks, perhaps yourself included, have not already jumped the Trump movement and started a movement to rebuild the Republican party as a serious contender.  Now is a chance to offer a new vision, something  that still addresses some of the on going gripes.

 

Sure, I was being somewhat disingenuous there. I am neither dumb nor uneducated, and I have never chanted 'USA USA'. If I were American I probably would have.

The Trump movement are from my own experience, predominantly thoughtful, respectful, peaceful people, and from what I can gather and from those I have had interactions with, they are black, white, Latino, gay - all kinds of people. from all walks of life. All over the world.
They are normal people.
Many I have spoken to agree that Trump is flawed and not necessarily the nicest person on Earth. They admit he can be rude and boorish.
They don't care. They like his policies, and for the first time they feel heard, they feel Trump is working for them etc etc.

I have thought before that the MAGA movement might somehow be the germination of a third party. The question is whether the establishment Republicans will head off and form a new party leaving the MAGA movement as the Republican Party, or whether the MAGA movement will form a new party leaving the establishment Republicans as themselves.
It might be a good thing to have happen.

I understand that the MAGA movement has a beef mostly with the entrenched Washington establishment and radical leftists - not Democrats or Republicans per se.

Another thing I have noticed is that at his rallies, he jokes, exaggerates, boasts - he performs.
Everyone in the house gets it, knows he is performing, doing his schtick, they get every joke and know exactly when he is joking. They play along, give the right feedback - it's entertainment.
'USA, USA!!'

The media takes every joke, every boast, every aspect of his performance, his schtick, and the interaction with the crowd, and their feedback and contribution to the 'event' - and twist it into "Trump Lies", and his mad deplorable followers.

His followers generally just laugh it all off as fake news but enjoy watching as liberals and the media have mini-meltdowns and run around with their hair on fire -
"Trump lies, Trump lies!!!"

It's quite funny to watch sometimes.

Another thing....I think Trump seems to be something of a product of those  '60's, '70's and even 80's self-help, self-empowerment, success-thinking, art of manifesting  type of programmes. We all know them.
He has done remarkably well, and people who do well tend to not be negative in outlook or speech. Even if they go bankrupt. They keep thinking big and positive and get up again and try again.
SO he doesn't focus too much on little things, small thinking, negative thinking, self-deprecation, the downside, a negative outcome.
He speaks and thinks largely about what it is that he wants, imagines it in existence, talks it into existence, and will not consider anything other than the desired outcome, even if the outcome is imminent and undesired. Never quit. Persist. Think big. Speak big.
If business is terrific, it's "unbelievable!" If business is terrible, its "unbelievable!"
Everything is huge!
I hope I have given the general gist of what I mean here.

The media takes that characteristic and goes 'Trump lies!!, Trump lies!" and run around with their hair on fire, giving hours and hours to rants about how he lies and is devious and so on.

Also very funny sometimes.

Finally, then I have a very interesting pocketwatch to get into - Trumps taxes.He apparently paid only $750 in personal income tax sometime or other.

Everyone freaks out - he's lying! He's cheating on his taxes!!
The smell of burning hair is thick.

Everyone who runs big businesses or even small businesses shrugs and goes - "that's how you do it."
You have little to nothing in your own name, you own little to nothing in your personal capacity, you draw a little to nothing salary, you put everything possible through the business.  You run the business as close to minimal profit as possible, pay corporate taxes where you have to, maybe millions of dollars worth but not buck more than you have to, and you work the system.
Nothing illegal about it.
It's how it works.
It's why you want a business - it's a vehicle for creating wealth

Everyone who lives off income after taxation is freaking out in between turd polishing and haemorrhoid licking.

Everyone who lives off income before taxation goes 'yeh, well done!, shrugs, and goes back to their yacht or building their next million.

So funny....


 

Great take.  100% concur.  Well done!

"The smell of burning hair is thick."  ... that would be an accurate description for so many here.  They just don't get it. Any of it.  And they never will.

 
Pretty much works for me, too.  Yep, they never will.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 3:08pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
"The smell of burning hair is thick."  ... that would be an accurate description for so many here.  They just don't get it. Any of it.  And they never will.
 
Thankfully they still have your guiding light...
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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 3:07pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:


.........
I'm just a dumb, uneducated Trump supporting purveyor of claptrap and conservative nonsense, probably one of The Deplorables, and so I sometimes find it hard to communicate much beyond grunts and chants of "USA, USA".




 
Interesting exercise in typing.  Rings true, that stereo-type is common.  The lowest common denominator of the Trump movement has been the standard bearer of many in the anti-Trump movement for a few years now.  The Culture Wars with the gloves off.  

It is a familiar game plan.  Dehumanize, demonize and then pounce.

I am sure there are many thoughtful, respectful Trump supporters.  Though I do not understand why these folks, perhaps yourself included, have not already jumped the Trump movement and started a movement to rebuild the Republican party as a serious contender.  Now is a chance to offer a new vision, something  that still addresses some of the on going gripes.

 

Sure, I was being somewhat disingenuous there. I am neither dumb nor uneducated, and I have never chanted 'USA USA'. If I were American I probably would have.

The Trump movement are from my own experience, predominantly thoughtful, respectful, peaceful people, and from what I can gather and from those I have had interactions with, they are black, white, Latino, gay - all kinds of people. from all walks of life. All over the world.
They are normal people.
Many I have spoken to agree that Trump is flawed and not necessarily the nicest person on Earth. They admit he can be rude and boorish.
They don't care. They like his policies, and for the first time they feel heard, they feel Trump is working for them etc etc.

I have thought before that the MAGA movement might somehow be the germination of a third party. The question is whether the establishment Republicans will head off and form a new party leaving the MAGA movement as the Republican Party, or whether the MAGA movement will form a new party leaving the establishment Republicans as themselves.
It might be a good thing to have happen.

I understand that the MAGA movement has a beef mostly with the entrenched Washington establishment and radical leftists - not Democrats or Republicans per se.

Another thing I have noticed is that at his rallies, he jokes, exaggerates, boasts - he performs.
Everyone in the house gets it, knows he is performing, doing his schtick, they get every joke and know exactly when he is joking. They play along, give the right feedback - it's entertainment.
'USA, USA!!'

The media takes every joke, every boast, every aspect of his performance, his schtick, and the interaction with the crowd, and their feedback and contribution to the 'event' - and twist it into "Trump Lies", and his mad deplorable followers.

His followers generally just laugh it all off as fake news but enjoy watching as liberals and the media have mini-meltdowns and run around with their hair on fire -
"Trump lies, Trump lies!!!"

It's quite funny to watch sometimes.

Another thing....I think Trump seems to be something of a product of those  '60's, '70's and even 80's self-help, self-empowerment, success-thinking, art of manifesting  type of programmes. We all know them.
He has done remarkably well, and people who do well tend to not be negative in outlook or speech. Even if they go bankrupt. They keep thinking big and positive and get up again and try again.
SO he doesn't focus too much on little things, small thinking, negative thinking, self-deprecation, the downside, a negative outcome.
He speaks and thinks largely about what it is that he wants, imagines it in existence, talks it into existence, and will not consider anything other than the desired outcome, even if the outcome is imminent and undesired. Never quit. Persist. Think big. Speak big.
If business is terrific, it's "unbelievable!" If business is terrible, its "unbelievable!"
Everything is huge!
I hope I have given the general gist of what I mean here.

The media takes that characteristic and goes 'Trump lies!!, Trump lies!" and run around with their hair on fire, giving hours and hours to rants about how he lies and is devious and so on.

Also very funny sometimes.

Finally, then I have a very interesting pocketwatch to get into - Trumps taxes.

He apparently paid only $750 in personal income tax sometime or other.

Everyone freaks out - he's lying! He's cheating on his taxes!!
The smell of burning hair is thick.

Everyone who runs big businesses or even small businesses shrugs and goes - "that's how you do it."
You have little to nothing in your own name, you own little to nothing in your personal capacity, you draw a little to nothing salary, you put everything possible through the business.  You run the business as close to minimal profit as possible, pay corporate taxes where you have to, maybe millions of dollars worth but not buck more than you have to, and you work the system.
Nothing illegal about it.
It's how it works.
It's why you want a business - it's a vehicle for creating wealth

Everyone who lives off income after taxation is freaking out in between turd polishing and haemorrhoid licking.

Everyone who lives off income before taxation goes 'yeh, well done!, shrugs, and goes back to their yacht or building their next million.

So funny....






 

Great take.  100% concur.  Well done!

"The smell of burning hair is thick."  ... that would be an accurate description for so many here.  They just don't get it. Any of it.  And they never will.

 
I disagree bigly.  Trump is extremely negative in character, speech and general attitude.  If it's not about him, it is not worthy.  Especially when it comes to anyone that doesn't fit his WASP mold. Personally I think that at least 308k families should file a civil action suit naming him as personally liable for his misinformation, lies and bullshit science claims regarding covid.  His lack of action is killing (2) people an hour.

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Posted: Dec 17, 2020 - 2:56pm



 Jiggz wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:


.........
I'm just a dumb, uneducated Trump supporting purveyor of claptrap and conservative nonsense, probably one of The Deplorables, and so I sometimes find it hard to communicate much beyond grunts and chants of "USA, USA".




 
Interesting exercise in typing.  Rings true, that stereo-type is common.  The lowest common denominator of the Trump movement has been the standard bearer of many in the anti-Trump movement for a few years now.  The Culture Wars with the gloves off.  

It is a familiar game plan.  Dehumanize, demonize and then pounce.

I am sure there are many thoughtful, respectful Trump supporters.  Though I do not understand why these folks, perhaps yourself included, have not already jumped the Trump movement and started a movement to rebuild the Republican party as a serious contender.  Now is a chance to offer a new vision, something  that still addresses some of the on going gripes.

 

Sure, I was being somewhat disingenuous there. I am neither dumb nor uneducated, and I have never chanted 'USA USA'. If I were American I probably would have.

The Trump movement are from my own experience, predominantly thoughtful, respectful, peaceful people, and from what I can gather and from those I have had interactions with, they are black, white, Latino, gay - all kinds of people. from all walks of life. All over the world.
They are normal people.
Many I have spoken to agree that Trump is flawed and not necessarily the nicest person on Earth. They admit he can be rude and boorish.
They don't care. They like his policies, and for the first time they feel heard, they feel Trump is working for them etc etc.

I have thought before that the MAGA movement might somehow be the germination of a third party. The question is whether the establishment Republicans will head off and form a new party leaving the MAGA movement as the Republican Party, or whether the MAGA movement will form a new party leaving the establishment Republicans as themselves.
It might be a good thing to have happen.

I understand that the MAGA movement has a beef mostly with the entrenched Washington establishment and radical leftists - not Democrats or Republicans per se.

Another thing I have noticed is that at his rallies, he jokes, exaggerates, boasts - he performs.
Everyone in the house gets it, knows he is performing, doing his schtick, they get every joke and know exactly when he is joking. They play along, give the right feedback - it's entertainment.
'USA, USA!!'

The media takes every joke, every boast, every aspect of his performance, his schtick, and the interaction with the crowd, and their feedback and contribution to the 'event' - and twist it into "Trump Lies", and his mad deplorable followers.

His followers generally just laugh it all off as fake news but enjoy watching as liberals and the media have mini-meltdowns and run around with their hair on fire -
"Trump lies, Trump lies!!!"

It's quite funny to watch sometimes.

Another thing....I think Trump seems to be something of a product of those  '60's, '70's and even 80's self-help, self-empowerment, success-thinking, art of manifesting  type of programmes. We all know them.
He has done remarkably well, and people who do well tend to not be negative in outlook or speech. Even if they go bankrupt. They keep thinking big and positive and get up again and try again.
SO he doesn't focus too much on little things, small thinking, negative thinking, self-deprecation, the downside, a negative outcome.
He speaks and thinks largely about what it is that he wants, imagines it in existence, talks it into existence, and will not consider anything other than the desired outcome, even if the outcome is imminent and undesired. Never quit. Persist. Think big. Speak big.
If business is terrific, it's "unbelievable!" If business is terrible, its "unbelievable!"
Everything is huge!
I hope I have given the general gist of what I mean here.

The media takes that characteristic and goes 'Trump lies!!, Trump lies!" and run around with their hair on fire, giving hours and hours to rants about how he lies and is devious and so on.

Also very funny sometimes.

Finally, then I have a very interesting pocketwatch to get into - Trumps taxes.

He apparently paid only $750 in personal income tax sometime or other.

Everyone freaks out - he's lying! He's cheating on his taxes!!
The smell of burning hair is thick.

Everyone who runs big businesses or even small businesses shrugs and goes - "that's how you do it."
You have little to nothing in your own name, you own little to nothing in your personal capacity, you draw a little to nothing salary, you put everything possible through the business.  You run the business as close to minimal profit as possible, pay corporate taxes where you have to, maybe millions of dollars worth but not buck more than you have to, and you work the system.
Nothing illegal about it.
It's how it works.
It's why you want a business - it's a vehicle for creating wealth

Everyone who lives off income after taxation is freaking out in between turd polishing and haemorrhoid licking.

Everyone who lives off income before taxation goes 'yeh, well done!, shrugs, and goes back to their yacht or building their next million.

So funny....






 

Great take.  100% concur.  Well done!

"The smell of burning hair is thick."  ... that would be an accurate description for so many here.  They just don't get it. Any of it.  And they never will.

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