BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 

A repeated election fraud claim by Trump about the number of mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania bears no relationship to reality.

 VV wrote:
 

Actually, it was debunked in November.

 Steely_D wrote:
 



+1

 VV wrote:
 

Heck, they're still dredging up "The Bushes had Kennedy shot."
No, it will never end. What a waste of the gift of a life on the planet.

You spend decades being angry, mistrustful, and unable to make a positive change in the world - and then you're too old to enjoy things and then you're gone.
What a waste.

VV wrote:

Or that they would have brought this up in the lawsuit the campaign filed in PA. You know, under oath and stuff. Because it's true!

 sirdroseph wrote:
 

I guess this will never end.
 
One would have thought that the one person who had the most resources at his disposal and is one of the most stalwart Trump loyalists with the biggest motivation to find election fraud... Bill Barr.. would have put this to rest with his  statement of not being able to substantiate any significant election fraud.

Seems they liked his take on the Mueller investigation but not the election results. 

Tick tock...

 kurtster wrote:
 
You count the votes.  The database may not be up to date, but the ballots are the ballots, and the people counting them (twice) have told you these are the numbers.  Why do you assume they are lying?  Why don't you assume people in Ohio, or Texas, or North Carolina are lying?

If you're right...and PA was stolen.   Give PA to Trump.  Now what?  Oh yeah....Biden wins.  What good are you doing by supporting random, unsupported theories?  Supporting the Constitution?  Protecting Democracy?  If you believe you are doing anything positive, you're fooling yourself.

Trump is selling snake oil, and you're standing on the side telling everyone how great it works.

EDIT:  BTW...the ONLY reason these idiots in PA are doing this, is because so many continue listening to Trump.  He has found a huge population who have stopped thinking and do everything based on emotion.  The local PA folks figure if they can make Trump happy, and he says something positive about them, those listening to him will support them.  They stand for nothing but themselves and are willing to say just about anything to get some of his love.  In the end...it's all just BS...yet the voters in backward county PA will fall in line and blame the Dems for everything.

 rgio wrote: 
The governor and secretary of the commonwealth, who changed the voting rules are both democrats.

From one source I used to verify the letter was real before commenting.

"We are unclear as to what data the legislators used for this most recent “analysis.” But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters. The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary.

How do you certify an election without the results from these most populous counties in the state ?

Evidently everyone is playing with an incomplete deck of cards.  It is still up to the state legislature according to the US Constitution.  The voting rules were changed arbitrarily by state officials with no authority to do so.

Glad that you are happy though with all of this.  I'm not.

 kcar wrote:
 
Link

 kurtster wrote:
 
Kurt, this isn't evidence...it's politically motivated theory.

The premise of the argument from the letter:   "DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted".

Here's a link to the SURE system.  On the right, select "Data Hub".   Next, select election stats.

4,216,030 - Ballots Cast In-Person on Election Day
2,637,065 - Mail and Absentee Ballots Cast and Counted for the Election
115,899 - Provisional Ballots Cast for the Election, with Disposition    This figure includes those counted (90,684), partially counted (5,644) and rejected (19,571).

total = 6,943,779 counted, not the 6,760,230 on the letter.

Yesterday's letter stated 6,931,060 votes in the counties.  Difference is less than 13,000.  Donnie lost by 80k.

I could be wrong....show me the details.  Oh yeah...there is no math in the numbers on that letter.  Why not show the counties where there are issues? 

BTW...PA is controlled by Republicans.  The courts and the legislature are Republican.  The "deep state", conspiracy crap makes no sense in PA.  Please don't suggest the data has been "fixed" unless you can prove the data has changed.

Do you ever get tired of being played?  

 kurtster wrote:
 

It wasn't just the NYT or mainstream media. PA officials certified the vote. Who are these state lawmakers who are claiming a discrepancy? What are their methods? Did they rely on non-government groups or companies? Sirdroseph, why don't you provide us with a link to this press release?

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Nope, no fraud.  No evidence, anywhere.  That is what the New York Times has told us, over and over again.

 R_P wrote: 
So this is what keeps you up late these days.  You worry too much about things you have no control over.

Republicans sue Mike Pence in 'desperate' last-ditch effort to overturn election

 ScottN wrote:
 

You really have to ignore this person instead of engaging them. You're feeding the cat.

Even Rupert Murdoch has had enough: 

Murdoch’s New York Post urges Trump to accept defeat: ‘You’re cheering for an undemocratic coup’

President Trump has had few more-stalwart backers in the media than the New York Post editorial board. The Rupert Murdoch-controlled tabloid was among the first to endorse Trump four years ago and this year urged voters to give him a second term.

But on Sunday, the Post aimed a blistering editorial at Trump, demanding that he accept his loss to President-elect Joe Biden and stop falsely claiming that mass voter fraud had marred the results — an effort the paper labeled a “dark charade.”

“We understand, Mr. President, that you’re angry that you lost,” the editorial board wrote. “But to continue down this road is ruinous.”

Under the headline “Stop the insanity,” the conservative tabloid took particular aim at Trump’s attempts to pressure Vice President Pence and congressional Republicans to somehow reverse the result when they meet on Jan. 6 to certify Biden’s electoral college victory.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq...

 ScottN wrote: