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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 12:19pm


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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 10:55am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Just saw an article regarding people questioning why NBA players have the luxury to all be tested when so many less fortunate need these test that are in such short supply and it got me to thinking of a most basic point.  Regardless of whether you are sick or not, if you have the financial resources to self quarantine it is your moral and social obligation to immediately do so and you should never get tested unless you develop severe symptoms.   There are so many that have to work to survive and they will have to do the best they can to social distance while being able to work if it all possible.  Basically there should be no well to do people in public at all until all of this blows over literally.
 
There are lessons in the NBA cases that are being ignored by the privilege arguments.

I haven't seen the details, but I guess it's safe to assume that 1 guy feels bad, and everyone who traveled with/contacted the team is tested.  It's not 4 tests....it's dozens.  From the dozens, 4 tested positive (so far).  3 of them feel fine, and the original symptomatic guy still feels like he has a cold.  We're talking about superior physical specimens in their 20's...likely to have a fatality rate near zero.

The other 3 guys are exactly like everyone else running around spreading the virus....young, likely single, feeling good.  

When you can test everyone, you can change the course of the spread.  In South Korea, they are like the Nets...test everyone who might have picked it up from player 1.  In Korea, 30% of all cases are 20-29. That's the most infected group!  In the US, if you don't pal around with Kevin Durant, you need to be bleeding out of your eyes with a dry cough and breathing difficulty to get tested.  Since the spreaders in their 20's don't show it...we don't test them.  There are probably tens of thousands of cases undiagnosed (and possibly never diagnosed) right now.  Korea's curve went flat at this point in their exposure....ours keeps climbing.  

Every day people have to wait for testing...people are going to die.  The administration is slapping each other on the back whenever possible for doing so much, but it's 2 to 4 weeks too late.

When asked about it today...Trump responded as expected:  Asked if wealthier individuals should be getting faster access to tests, Trump said he did not think so.

"No, I wouldn't say so, but perhaps that’s been the story of life," he said. "That does happen on occasion. I’ve noticed where some people have been tested fairly quickly."



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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 10:51am

The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that emerged in the city of Wuhan, China, last year and has since caused a large scale COVID-19 epidemic and spread to more than 70 other countries is the product of natural evolution, according to findings published yesterday (March 17, 2020) in the journal Nature Medicine.

The analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 10:15am

Just saw an article regarding people questioning why NBA players have the luxury to all be tested when so many less fortunate need these test that are in such short supply and it got me to thinking of a most basic point.  Regardless of whether you are sick or not, if you have the financial resources to self quarantine it is your moral and social obligation to immediately do so and you should never get tested unless you develop severe symptoms.   There are so many that have to work to survive and they will have to do the best they can to social distance while being able to work if it all possible.  Basically there should be no well to do people in public at all until all of this blows over literally.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 9:26am

Odd coincidence.  I was going through my desk at work and came across some old folders to put papers in recycling.  One of them was a notice about some districts which were closing schools and suspending testing during the H1N1 virus outbreak in October 2009.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 8:09am

From column yesterday of Michael Gerson in the Washington Post:

It has recently been common in our politics to assert that the establishment has failed, that our institutions and systems are corrupt, and that we need political disrupters to shake things up or burn things down. This is now revealed as the political philosophy of spoiled children. We no longer have the luxury of apocalyptic petulance or the language of faux revolution. We need trusted experts to carry hard truths. We need our systems and institutions to bear enormous weight. We need public officials to encourage an orderly urgency, to repair what is broken and to calm irrational fears.

Food for thought.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:46am



 sirdroseph wrote:
I was young and stupid too and do not forget this, I would NEVER have behaved and thought this way under the same circumstances regardless of how young and stupid I was and I don't believe any other generation would have either. This is more than just generational get off my lawn stuff, there really is a declining of personal responsibility and an entitlement that is different than any other generation. You may disagree with this notion, that is fine but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
 
I don't agree overall with your opinion, but as you said, that's fine.  I live in a college town and work in another and know quite a few students and academics - there's always a certain amount of privileged knuckleheads and irresponsible yahoos around but I don't see it as a majority (though I do have some neighbors who are young, loud, and inconsiderate).  Maybe it's the that neither of those schools (UNC and Duke) have reputations as "party" schools, and still our opinions are based on observational or anecdotal experiences.  Anyhow, there are valid arguments that baby-boomers were the most "entitled" (or privileged) and "irresponsible"generation in this country's recent history, but that is a topic for another thread (I don't necessarily adhere to those arguments either BTW).

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:35am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
'Ain't that serious': Miami spring breakers party on

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aint-serious-miami-spring-breakers-074801407.html

 
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to the bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it. "I think they're blowing it way out of proportion. I think it's doing way too much."

Others voiced frustration Miami's iconic South Beach was closed off.
(SOUNDBITE) (English) ATLANTIS WALKER, 21-YEAR-OLD SPRING-BREAKER FROM INDIANA, SAYING:
"What they're doing is bad, we need a refund.. This virus ain't that serious. There's more serious things out there like hunger and poverty, we need to address that."
These are the people that will go unscathed by the virus itself, this is our future generation folks.  Good luck and Good night.
{#Eek}
 
To be fair, it's a pretty tiny sampling of "our future generation" - undergrad, Spring-break yahoos in Florida.   Older generations have probably been expressing such disenchantment and lack of faith in younger generations throughout human history.  What did older people complain about with our lifestyles when we were 21?
 
I was young and stupid too and do not forget this, I would NEVER have behaved and thought this way under the same circumstances regardless of how young and stupid I was and I don't believe any other generation would have either.  This is more than just generational get off my lawn stuff, there really is a declining of personal responsibility and an entitlement that is different than any other generation.  You may disagree with this notion, that is fine but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:24am



 sirdroseph wrote:
'Ain't that serious': Miami spring breakers party on

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aint-serious-miami-spring-breakers-074801407.html

 
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to the bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it. "I think they're blowing it way out of proportion. I think it's doing way too much."

Others voiced frustration Miami's iconic South Beach was closed off.
(SOUNDBITE) (English) ATLANTIS WALKER, 21-YEAR-OLD SPRING-BREAKER FROM INDIANA, SAYING:
"What they're doing is bad, we need a refund.. This virus ain't that serious. There's more serious things out there like hunger and poverty, we need to address that."
These are the people that will go unscathed by the virus itself, this is our future generation folks.  Good luck and Good night.
{#Eek}
 
To be fair, it's a pretty tiny sampling of "our future generation" - undergrad, Spring-break yahoos in Florida.   Older generations have probably been expressing such disenchantment and lack of faith in younger generations throughout human history.  What did older people complain about with our lifestyles when we were 21?
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 5:22am

'Ain't that serious': Miami spring breakers party on

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aint-serious-miami-spring-breakers-074801407.html

 

"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to the bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it. "I think they're blowing it way out of proportion. I think it's doing way too much."

Others voiced frustration Miami's iconic South Beach was closed off.

(SOUNDBITE) (English) ATLANTIS WALKER, 21-YEAR-OLD SPRING-BREAKER FROM INDIANA, SAYING:

"What they're doing is bad, we need a refund.. This virus ain't that serious. There's more serious things out there like hunger and poverty, we need to address that."

 

These are the people that will go unscathed by the virus itself, this is our future generation folks.  Good luck and Good night.{#Eek}

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 2:58am



 R_P wrote:
There’s nothing so political as a pandemic
“Don’t politicise a crisis,” they say. But what’s more political than a global health emergency?
 

I know you are much smarter than I and everyone else for that matter, you spend much of your time here explaining this to us.  However there are many events the universe will throw at us that are far beyond the capability of governments and society to deal with regardless of who is in charge and someday it will all break down and leave us as we truly are, mammals with very little hair that have completely lost our primal contact with nature and the environment that sustains us and the skills necessary to co exist with her and survive.   When it comes down to it, no one is going to care what your politics are only what skills, resources, proper attitude and cooperation you have to offer for survival as well as kindness, compassion and teamwork that is required to take care of those that cannot take care of themselves on the ground.   Government will quickly be rendered either ineffective or something to fear and then will no longer exist and we are once again naked mammals at the mercy of the wild.  In the meantime, please continue to scold us in to compliance with your superior knowledge on how to vote and who to protest in the streets.
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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 7:02pm

this seems interesting...
and this


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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 5:18pm

There’s nothing so political as a pandemic
“Don’t politicise a crisis,” they say. But what’s more political than a global health emergency?
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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:57pm



 R_P wrote:
 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:
1. Read German newspapers.

2. Understand the context vis-à-vis Prof. Fake News (aka KarmaKarma aka).

3. TDS bonus: “the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

1. I'll leave that to people who read German.

2. I understand the context, try and understand content as well.

3. Trump is a dishonest gasbag. Acknowledged. Over and over. Nothing he says should be trusted at face value. That doesn't make everything said about him true.

2. leads back to 1.

3. It also doesn't mean petty accusations of TDS are true. As the cultists like to say, it's all fake news and TDS. And apparently they got some self-serving allies on occasion (the librul left-wing medias!)...

Something happened. Government sources broke/leaked that story (to a conservative-leaning German publication) shortly after the American CEO left the company without an explanation. And the company appears to be in damage control mode.

Grenell, the über-loyalist toady, denies it. And that settles it. Fake News. TDS. Gotcha!
 
The CEO being ousted is pretty damning. The statements by the German officials are pretty damning. I have read the various articles reporting on this and I haven't seen anything showing the original story was false, but there may well have been some walking back of the tone to appease Trump. If I were the Germans I'd just nationalize the company. 

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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:48pm



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Dangit. A friend was letting us stay for free in Maui for 10 days, and I had enough Hawaiian air points to round trip, extra comfort, for free. In three weeks.

Having to cancel it all. Yes, this is a first world problem, but I'm still disappointed.

In return, I'm putting in many many shifts doing virtual care for Carbon Health, talking to people about the Covid thing. Only a couple of people I've been really concerned about. Most are in their twenties with no fever, coughed once, no diarrhea, want testing "just to be sure."

I turn my head so they don't see my eyeroll at what seems to be a lack of understanding of how living in a society works.
 
Thank you for your service.

Yeah, if you have a test result, what decision would you make that is different. I suppose people would self-quarantine but, with limited capacity, they probably should just do it if they are sick.

That being said, I'm all in favour of having enough data on the spread to help inform policy and, help understand what to do with future pandemics. That could be done with a statistical sampling method, which I haven't heard anyone talk about for any country. You don't need to test everyone.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:45pm



 JrzyTmata wrote:


 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
I'm not sure how valid this is. I just found it and thought I throw it on here for critique.

The Stanford hospital board... This is their feedback for now on Corona virus: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.


 

Snopes.com says this is all false
https://www.snopes.com/?s=coro...
 
Okay. I knew it would go through the trial here.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:43pm

Conservatives worry too much coronavirus relief will make people lazy 

And now this.....
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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:39pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
I'm not sure how valid this is. I just found it and thought I throw it on here for critique.

The Stanford hospital board... This is their feedback for now on Corona virus: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.


 

Snopes.com says this is all false
https://www.snopes.com/?s=coro...
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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:26pm

I'm not sure how valid this is. I just found it and thought I throw it on here for critique.

The Stanford hospital board... This is their feedback for now on Corona virus: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.



IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold


2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.


3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.


4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.


5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.


7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.


8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.

9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.


10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!


THE SYMPTOMS


1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days


2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.



4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Posted: Mar 17, 2020 - 4:16pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

A woman on the ski patrol here died on Friday. The family just realized they needed to cancel the funeral.
 
My son's wedding is scheduled for the first weekend in April; I don't think it's gonna happen.

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