And what about the people who have been infected, survived, recovered and have a lasting and duarble natural immuntiy ? How many of those are among the unvaccinated and not wanting to be vaccinated ? (...)
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Sep 11, 2021 - 5:43am
miamizsun wrote:
how do you, as a professional persuade people/clients in person?
i have had good results when i can have a face to face
one of the biggest points i stress is to speak with your doctor
(i think i read where 95% of docs were vaccinated)
online success convincing people to get protected? probably not so much
Raises the obvious question: why are so many of the unvaccinated and anti- maskers influenced by what they find online?
Minorities with reservations and people with questions are still unvaccinated and are the people to blame. If more of the nation refused flu vaccine, or one of the other important preventions, then the spread of disease through the country would be substantial - and preventable.
Tired of hearing âbut I donât know whatâs in itâ as they head to McDonaldâs.
how do you, as a professional persuade people/clients in person? i have had good results when i can have a face to face one of the biggest points i stress is to speak with your doctor (i think i read where 95% of docs were vaccinated)
online success convincing people to get protected? probably not so much
how long before this blows back?
because oppressors gonna oppress...
is this guy is putting it nicely?
consider giving bipoc a pass?
Minorities with reservations and people with questions are still unvaccinated and are the people to blame. If more of the nation refused flu vaccine, or one of the other important preventions, then the spread of disease through the country would be substantial - and preventable.
Tired of hearing âbut I donât know whatâs in itâ as they head to McDonaldâs.
At this point, who's unvaxxed? People who don't have the capacity (mental or financial) to isolate. I have stopped giving them credit for rational thought so I assume if they're infected they'll say it's a cold, not get tested, and spread it more than they would have a year ago. My co-worker's parents were in this office several weeks ago. They're elderly, so always moaning about this ailment or that so I didn't really tune in when they said they were feeling poorly. THE NEXT DAY dad was in the hospital and he stayed there, face down, for two weeks. Gets out and denies it was ever really bad and disagreed that he needed that level of care. Said he asked to go home after the first day. Nice guy but stubborn as hell. Mules think he should give in a little.
Kinda of a broad sweep, but OK, and maybe not too far from the truth. Based just on observations in large public gatherings, clearly the unvaxxed arent masking, or maybe they are like sird and sheltering? But my main point again is, too many risk variables to consider....other than getting a vaxx seems most appropriate risk mitigating strategy.
This feels a lot like when you talk and cajole but your toddler wonât get out of the street, so you finally just grab them by the arm and bring them back on the sidewalk.
OK, but there are lots of variables to consider; e.g., if i'm unvaxxed and sick, I'm more likely to isolate, than an unvaxxed person who may or may not know he's sick.
At this point, who's unvaxxed? People who don't have the capacity (mental or financial) to isolate. I have stopped giving them credit for rational thought so I assume if they're infected they'll say it's a cold, not get tested, and spread it more than they would have a year ago. My co-worker's parents were in this office several weeks ago. They're elderly, so always moaning about this ailment or that so I didn't really tune in when they said they were feeling poorly. THE NEXT DAY dad was in the hospital and he stayed there, face down, for two weeks. Gets out and denies it was ever really bad and disagreed that he needed that level of care. Said he asked to go home after the first day. Nice guy but stubborn as hell. Mules think he should give in a little.
not sure it works like that. Whether you are vaccinated or not, there is still a high chance (if infected) that you are asymptomatic. In this case, only those who test regularly reduce the risk of passing it on. PS also know of a couple of cases of fully vaxxed people getting it and feeling pretty rotten (like bad-cold rotten). The main benefit of the vaccines, as I understand it, is that they keep people from having the dreaded cytokine storm.
Which means we get to live with Covid, but it is no longer the massive threat to our health infrastructure - provided enough people get the vaccine. This seems to be borne out by the numbers in the UK and other European countries currently undergoing the delta wave.
Not being an Epidemiologist, I'm not sure it works like that either...point being, there are lots of variables to consider...but the overriding evidence seems to point to vaccines significantly mitigating the risk.
OK, but there are lots of variables to consider; e.g., if i'm unvaxxed and sick, I'm more likely to isolate, than an unvaxxed person who may or may not know he's sick.
not sure it works like that. Whether you are vaccinated or not, there is still a high chance (if infected) that you are asymptomatic. In this case, only those who test regularly reduce the risk of passing it on. PS also know of a couple of cases of fully vaxxed people getting it and feeling pretty rotten (like bad-cold rotten). The main benefit of the vaccines, as I understand it, is that they keep people from having the dreaded cytokine storm.
Which means we get to live with Covid, but it is no longer the massive threat to our health infrastructure - provided enough people get the vaccine. This seems to be borne out by the numbers in the UK and other European countries currently undergoing the delta wave.
This is the takeaway that people have when the headlines say "infected vaccinated people have the same viral load as infected unvaccinated" but that's a pretty wobbly connection. Yes they can catch it and spread it but the window of opportunity is greatly reduced, since the infection lasts a few days vs a few weeks, etc.
As I understand it.
OK, but there are lots of variables to consider; e.g., if i'm unvaxxed and sick, I'm more likely to isolate, than an unvaxxed person who may or may not know he's sick.
Seems the biggest concern/risk with the vaccines is that it doesn't stop the vaccine from spreading, and therefore mutating.
This is the takeaway that people have when the headlines say "infected vaccinated people have the same viral load as infected unvaccinated" but that's a pretty wobbly connection. Yes they can catch it and spread it but the window of opportunity is greatly reduced, since the infection lasts a few days vs a few weeks, etc.
And Dr. Hanage was skeptical that the mandates would be successful in inoculating millions more people than have already opted for the vaccine. Some of the people who most urgently need to be protected are older adults who will not be affected by workplace requirements.
âIâm sure that the anti-vaxxers are already prepared to be up in arms about this,â he said. (Republican governors in several states have decried the mandates as unconstitutional and say they plan to file suits to stop them.)
By insisting that vaccination is the way out of the pandemic, officials in both the Trump and Biden administrations have de-emphasized the importance of masks and testing in controlling the pandemic, several experts said.
âItâs a lot quicker to put on a mask than it is to get a bunch of people vaccinated,â Dr. Hanage said.
I'm willing to accept that masks are a theoretical help but with iffy or zero compliance, that help is minimal. A more thorough vaccination rate is the only real way to get over this thing.
The Delta variant of the Covid-19 virus appears well positioned to maintain its dominance over new variants such as Lambda and Mu, virologists say.
I am 100% in favor of better ventilation, especially since our temperatures are still in the 90s here. I am shocked that they're not propping all the doors open in our schools but the last crisis was school shootings so they put man-traps in all the buildings... can't prop the doors open and keep those functional.
Seems the biggest concern/risk with the vaccines is that it doesn't stop the vaccine from spreading, and therefore mutating. Historically, this doesn't seem to be an issue, since pandemics eventually fade away, immune systems adapt (this time with the help of vaccines), or it mutates into a less harmful form. So at least for the time being, the vaccine addresses the death and morbidity issues.
None of this wishful thinking, even if it all comes true, could justify the vaccine only approach we have now; and neither does that graph below showing lower hospitalization rates among highly vaccinated states. It actually makes my point, delta is very dangerous, and just wait til you get a load of mu, which seems to evade the existing vaccines entirely and will likely become the dominant strain by Christmas under current policy. Talking only about vaccines, but not about the need to improve ventilation and wear masks, looks a lot like mass murder to me.
I'm willing to accept that masks are a theoretical help but with iffy or zero compliance, that help is minimal. A more thorough vaccination rate is the only real way to get over this thing.
The Delta variant of the Covid-19 virus appears well positioned to maintain its dominance over new variants such as Lambda and Mu, virologists say.
I am 100% in favor of better ventilation, especially since our temperatures are still in the 90s here. I am shocked that they're not propping all the doors open in our schools but the last crisis was school shootings so they put man-traps in all the buildings... can't prop the doors open and keep those functional.
