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Posted: Sep 8, 2021 - 11:59am

Lazy8 wrote:

Ivermectin is a pretty safe drug. The article says we have a 5-fold increase in poison hotline call over baseline, but baseline has got to be tiny in the first place. They don't mention numbers. Ivermectin prescriptions, on the other hand, are up 24X. This is not a crisis.

Likely true. Deluge is too strong a word, but there appears to be a trend due to the promotion of this, so far, ineffective drug.

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Posted: Sep 8, 2021 - 11:53am

R_P wrote:

In 2021, poison control centers across the U.S. received a three-fold increase in the number of calls for human exposures to ivermectin in January 2021 compared to the pre-pandemic baseline.

In July 2021, ivermectin calls have continued to sharply increase, to a five-fold increase from baseline. These reports are also associated with increased frequency of adverse effects and emergency department/hospital visits.

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Posted: Sep 8, 2021 - 11:09am

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i think there have been a few examples of people misusing drugs like ivermectin

In 2021, poison control centers across the U.S. received a three-fold increase in the number of calls for human exposures to ivermectin in January 2021 compared to the pre-pandemic baseline.

In July 2021, ivermectin calls have continued to sharply increase, to a five-fold increase from baseline. These reports are also associated with increased frequency of adverse effects and emergency department/hospital visits.

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Posted: Sep 8, 2021 - 4:56am

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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

deluge of ivermectin overdoses

Some animal feed supply stores have run out of the drug because of people buying it in its veterinary form.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cited a case of a man who drank an injectable form of ivermectin intended for cattle. He suffered hallucinations, confusion, tremors and other side effects and was hospitalised for nine days. (...)
In Oklahoma, McElyea said: “Some people taking inappropriate doses have actually put themselves in worse conditions than if they’d caught Covid. The scariest one that I’ve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss.

i think there have been a few examples of people misusing drugs like ivermectin
currently there is little or no legit evidence that it is effective as a treatment
but it looks like this doc embellished a story and the press got sloppy/duped and ran with it
it has been taken billions of times by humans for parasitic infections with very good/predictable results

The Media Fell for a Viral Hoax About Ivermectin Overdoses Straining Rural Hospitals

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Posted: Sep 8, 2021 - 4:33am

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NEW DETAILS EMERGE ABOUT CORONAVIRUS RESEARCH AT CHINESE LAB

More than 900 pages of materials related to US.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit by The Intercept.

Yep. Looks like Fauci finally got caught lying to Congress during questioning with his outright denial of any funding towards gain of function research at the Wuhan lab by him via the NIH. Man has zero cred. A natural born liar.

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Posted: Sep 7, 2021 - 4:30pm

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Posted: Sep 5, 2021 - 10:53am

Covid Deaths Surge Across a Weary America as a Once-Hopeful Summer Ends
Cases are starting to fall in some hard-hit Southern states, but nearly half of Americans are not fully vaccinated, allowing the Delta variant to persist.

The summer surge has played out in a fatigued, politically divided country with no unified vision for how to navigate the pandemic. During previous upticks, the promise of vaccines led many to think that a return to ordinary life was perhaps just months away and that masking up or staying home was a short-term investment toward that goal. But the virusâs mutations and the refusal of millions of Americans to take the shots have dimmed that hope.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2021 - 6:42pm
R_P wrote: ... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cited a case of a man who drank an injectable form of ivermectin intended for cattle. He suffered hallucinations, confusion, tremors and other side effects and was hospitalised for nine days. (...) ..... Perhaps Ivermectin will prove to be an exciting recreational drug? Let's get high, man!

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Posted: Sep 4, 2021 - 11:40am

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

deluge of ivermectin overdoses

Some animal feed supply stores have run out of the drug because of people buying it in its veterinary form.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cited a case of a man who drank an injectable form of ivermectin intended for cattle. He suffered hallucinations, confusion, tremors and other side effects and was hospitalised for nine days. (...)
In Oklahoma, McElyea said: âSome people taking inappropriate doses have actually put themselves in worse conditions than if theyâd caught Covid. The scariest one that Iâve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2021 - 11:26am
deluge of ivermectin overdoses

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 10:13pm

kurtster wrote:

With all the great thinkers we have here can someone tell me why a third shot of the same vaccine is going to make me more resistant to the mutations that the vaccine offers little protection to in the first place ?

Signed,
Confused in Cleveburg

You're welcome.

For those incapable of clicking links: a booster shot is probably more useful for immunocompromised folks than everybody else. Antibody levels fall off over time unless the immune system is challenged. This is not unique to covid; have you ever gotten a tetanus booster? Had a shingles shot after having chicken pox as a kid? Same phenomenon. What is new is this particular virus and how our immune systems respond to both it and the vaccines. We're learning as we go. We don't know yet how soon vaccine immunity will wane to the point requiring a booster shot for ordinary healthy people, but we do know that there is very little downside to a third jab. It's a bet I'll happily make at my forst opportunity.

As for the second claim: the vaccines are less effective against transmission of the delta variant than the earlier strains, but not ineffective. And (as by now you may be tired of hearing, but apparently haven't absorbed) the vaccines are still very effective at preventing an infection becoming a case requiring hospitalization or causing death.

This latter point should be motive enough for anyone with an instinct for self-preservation, even if you aren't concerned about being a walking plague rat.

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 10:02pm
kurtster wrote: The whole premise of getting a booster shot of the same vaccine is because the original vaccines are not as effective against these new variants. That is the "official" story. Or did I get something wrong ? Yes.

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 9:59pm

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kurtster wrote:

Dodge. Tell me why I need a third shot and how it will offer me more protection ? Show me the science.

No, just pointing out your spreading of misinformation.

The whole premise of getting a booster shot of the same vaccine is because the original vaccines are not as effective against these new variants. That is the "official" story. Or did I get something wrong ?

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 9:43pm
kurtster wrote: Dodge. Tell me why I need a third shot and how it will offer me more protection ? Show me the science. No, just pointing out your spreading of misinformation. If you're (really) so concerned or curious about a third shot, then you should be able find the answer from numerous trustworthy sources. Why would anyone here need to convince you?

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 9:35pm
R_P wrote: kurtster wrote: mutations that the vaccine offers little protection to in the first place False. (But you already knew that) Dodge. Tell me why I need a third shot and how it will offer me more protection ? Show me the science.

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 9:26pm
kurtster wrote: mutations that the vaccine offers little protection to in the first place False. (But you already knew that)

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 9:17pm
With all the great thinkers we have here can someone tell me why a third shot of the same vaccine is going to make me more resistant to the mutations that the vaccine offers little protection to in the first place ? Signed, Confused in Cleveburg

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 7:17am
Idaho hospitals nearly buckling in relentless COVID surge

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Posted: Sep 3, 2021 - 12:46am
looks like there might be some synergies coming out of the new vaccine tech

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Posted: Sep 2, 2021 - 6:57pm
And letâs start calling diarrhea âThe Joe Rogan Experienceâ since heâs started taking that horse dewormer.

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