The table may not be racist...more likely it's the source. I have my doubts about the BBC publishing this...but it's possible. It's also possible that the chart is old.
The chart I used is sourced from the CDC and is more meaningful than the one you posted, which I saw when looking for the one I used.
The table may not be racist...more likely it's the source. I have my doubts about the BBC publishing this...but it's possible. It's also possible that the chart is old.
Another week at least of lockdown. 6 new cases in the state but 3 not linked to known sources. It sucks but it sucks less than months of lockdowns with more people dying. Speaking of which, I haven't run the numbers but the number of people dying in New South Wales seems high compared to the number of cases. And they still aren't locked down hard enough - like the covid positive person who flew to Tasmania, which hasn't had a case in about a year. All the other states learned to Go Early Go Hard, but their government thought they knew better and we are all fucked.
Stupidity and selfishness are making this shit way worse than it needs to be. It's particularly bad here in Trumpistan and I'm sick and tired of it.
Another week at least of lockdown. 6 new cases in the state but 3 not linked to known sources. It sucks but it sucks less than months of lockdowns with more people dying. Speaking of which, I haven't run the numbers but the number of people dying in New South Wales seems high compared to the number of cases. And they still aren't locked down hard enough - like the covid positive person who flew to Tasmania, which hasn't had a case in about a year. All the other states learned to Go Early Go Hard, but their government thought they knew better and we are all fucked.
I didn't hear anyone in the video claim that so I don't know where that claim comes from, but he is wrong about several things.
He claims spike proteins
1. are cytotoxic, and
2. don't bind to cells near the injection site, but migrate thru the body, wreaking havoc.
If these claims were true the hundreds of millions of recipients around the world would be showing symptoms of these effects and dying in droves. They aren't.
This wouldn't be subtle. It wouldn't be a few anecdotes that They would be able to cover up by censoring Facebook posts. It would be freaking everywhere, and every doctor on the planet would have to be in on this massive plot to hide it. Moreover it would have shown up in the clinical trials and follow-ups long before the vaccines were granted emergency approval. This is a conspiracy theory, and one hundreds of millions of people refute every day.
He also advocates for off-label use of ivermectin to fight covid, a practice that got worldwide testing over the last year and proved ineffective for very good reasons.
Mr. Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.
Yes, he's a very good electrical engineer and inventor too, but he knows approximately dick about what he's going on about here.
This is long but relevant. The tiniest droplets carry few virus particles; the most dangerous (and the most prevalent in human exhalation/coughing) are about 5 microns. It's not that cloth masks slow the aerosols, but that they capture some fraction of them. Any mask helps, better masks help more. This is specifically about N95 masks, but the mechanisms are the same with a cloth mask.
been a twiv fan for a while and yeah it is sort of long form but it is very educational racaniello literally wrote the textbook most people study
Nah. You can't really put the aerosol transmission thing on the administration and not even on the CDC's crisis management. It was a scientific failure of vision, due to the silos in research and systemic competition for limited research funds. Then in a crisis you go with what you know from past experience. They should have been looking at other pathways but when you are flat-out trying to get a handle on the situation, there isn't much capacity for that.
Um, yeah. Like the article said.
Now I think we are going too far in the other direction. Yes, there are aerosols that remain suspended in the air for a long time, but that doesn't mean that larger particles aren't an issue, too. Yes, cloth masks have a limited ability to stop aerosols but they will slow the velocity so that you are less likely to get a large dose from fleeting contact. And, especially with delta and the other variants coming down the pike, if they are so virulent then they could be more easily picked up off surfaces.
This is long but relevant. The tiniest droplets carry few virus particles; the most dangerous (and the most prevalent in human exhalation/coughing) are about 5 microns.
It's not that cloth masks slow the aerosols, but that they capture some fraction of them. Any mask helps, better masks help more. This is specifically about N95 masks, but the mechanisms are the same with a cloth mask.
Most importantly: do their homework ahead of time. Track threats as they emerge, not after. When someone has a question you can't answer don't be afraid to say "Let me get back to you on that."
Have expertise on hand beyond esoteric researchâclinicians, people who understand sanitation, people who understand the protocols of patient isolation, experienced nurses. Practitioners who don't have PhDs but know how to deal with sick people.
I'm sure there was some of that in the White House, but not near enoughâand they should be chosen for that expertise, not political loyalty.
Focus the advice being given out to local governments and individuals on practical measures they can take. Open channels of communication to state health departments, and do it before there's a crisis.
Thanks.
These kinds of situations are inevitably messy. Even in the absence of the current yawning socio-economic divide in the USA.
Agencies are never prepared well enough. All kinds of experts, doing applied science on the run, get it wrong. Science and best policy can evolve quickly.
Memories and thus the urgency and budgets fade over time. Rarely do agencies and politicians get together and say how can we design a system that is fully functional in decades from now when all interest for this specific threat has faded?
In many countries, political leaders, scientists and practitioners have upon receiving new information, changed course very quickly. Our collective ability to both generate and process relevant useful information/data is mind boggling. Dozens of countries have done an overall excellent job of managing this pandemic. I would include the USA in that assessment too.
Moreover, in a crisis like this hierarchies tend to flatten and communication becomes more direct if not already ready direct. Do not sell practising medical doctors and the research establishment short. My understanding is that anecdotal feedback tends to travel very quickly.
Vigilance costs resources. Citizens do not like paying taxes.
It would be nice to see a steering committee at the national level that included crisis management experts and political analysts, not so the latter can harangue the experts, but rather to explain the current and evolving political landscape. Think of that as a broad ecological approach to getting the job done.
In the real world, I would err on the side of leaning on the experts with decent publishing records to run the show.
Frankly, the first lesson and policy priority coming out of this epidemic should be public health outcomes. Better health is the cost-effective protection against this and other clamatic threats. That could be a long laundry list.
For the USA, the second priority should be a single-payer basic universal health care system with a beefed up public health component.
No apologies on my part for being so bloody Statist.
Well they did apparently actually downplay the importance of masks, in part, to alleviate the pressure on them. But no, you're taking them to task for giving the best advice available at the time* and simultaneously saying they should have just given people the best advice available at the time.
*which requires them to "flip-flop," to use your phrasing.
So he was wrong or negligent in saying "don't wear masks," or he was lying to protect PPE. Can't really agree with either approach. The best available advice at the time was, "we think it's this, but are not yet sure...we will get back to you" I'm not crucifying the man, or CDC (I'm guessing they were doing what they thought was best), just pointing out a problem...how they were playing politics, for good reason or not, which contributed to the confusion among the masses; many of whom aren't as smart as you or able to determine the underlying reasons for the initial position. Or worse, mistrusting of gov, and eager to jump on any error.
Nah. You can't really put the aerosol transmission thing on the administration and not even on the CDC's crisis management. It was a scientific failure of vision, due to the silos in research and systemic competition for limited research funds. Then in a crisis you go with what you know from past experience. They should have been looking at other pathways but when you are flat-out trying to get a handle on the situation, there isn't much capacity for that.
Now I think we are going too far in the other direction. Yes, there are aerosols that remain suspended in the air for a long time, but that doesn't mean that larger particles aren't an issue, too. Yes, cloth masks have a limited ability to stop aerosols but they will slow the velocity so that you are less likely to get a large dose from fleeting contact. And, especially with delta and the other variants coming down the pike, if they are so virulent then they could be more easily picked up off surfaces.
Well they did apparently actually downplay the importance of masks, in part, to alleviate the pressure on them. But no, you're taking them to task for giving the best advice available at the time* and simultaneously saying they should have just given people the best advice available at the time.
*which requires them to "flip-flop," to use your phrasing.
"HEY - you said that the hurricane was going to impact Florida, but now it's turned and will hit Louisiana! You bunch of stupid waffling liars!!"
Holy shit, this is a clusterfuck of a conversation. I guess you are holding me to my literal response. But no, i wasnt actually proposing the CDC provide guidance, "do what thou whilst." In fact, I really don't what you are arguing for...as you seem to be saying the cdc/who were 100% right, or didnt know any better at the time, when they proposed a no mask policy? Or did they lie to protect PPE? OK.
Well they did apparently actually downplay the importance of masks, in part, to alleviate the pressure on them. But no, you're taking them to task for giving the best advice available at the time* and simultaneously saying they should have just given people the best advice available at the time.
*which requires them to "flip-flop," to use your phrasing.
Even if they were organized, absolutely nothing would have been different. The executive branch wasn't listening to anyone.
Feb 7 - Trump tells Woodward "it's worse than you know" Feb 24 - Trump tweet "the Coronavirus is very much under control in the US" Apr 13 - Trump tells Woodward, âItâs so easily transmissible, you wouldnât even believe it.â Apr 18 - Jared Kushner tells Bob Woodward privately that the United States is now in a âcomeback phase.â May 7, - The Trump administration shelves a document created by the nationâs top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen public places. Agency scientists were told the guidance âwould never see the light of day.â
Nobody would have made a difference. Trump had his own agenda (re-election), but in an ironic twist, his complete lack of intelligence, empathy, and management are the reason he's not the President today.
He'll be reinstated any day now. Many people are saying. Any day now.
The personnel were mostly still there, but they weren't organized into the task force (and it's not clear they would have been listened to if they had) but yeah.
Even if they were organized, absolutely nothing would have been different. The executive branch wasn't listening to anyone.
Feb 7 - Trump tells Woodward "it's worse than you know"
Feb 24 - Trump tweet "the Coronavirus is very much under control in the US"
Apr 13 - Trump tells Woodward, âItâs so easily transmissible, you wouldnât even believe it.â
Apr 18 - Jared Kushner tells Bob Woodward privately that the United States is now in a âcomeback phase.â
May 7, - The Trump administration shelves a document created by the nationâs top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen public places. Agency scientists were told the guidance âwould never see the light of day.â
Nobody would have made a difference. Trump had his own agenda (re-election), but in an ironic twist, his complete lack of intelligence, empathy, and management are the reason he's not the President today.
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