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black321

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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 8:40am



 Proclivities wrote:


 rgio wrote:

 black321 wrote:

 
That's a bit of apples and oranges....This might be a bit more appropriate (same outcome).... Canne webcam
 

There are apparently many people at the beaches in FL and southern GA; not just Spring-Break revelers either - families on vacation.  I guess if it's not really crowded it may not be so bad but a crowded beach?  Either way, I wouldn't go.
 
yes, the point isnt to be in lockdown. go outside, get some sun (vit D). I'd go golfing today, if it wasnt raining (AND i wasnt forced to work). but keep your distance.

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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 8:39am

 black321 wrote:
 
I mean it is Florida.  Florida is "special".{#Eek}
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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 8:22am



 rgio wrote:

 black321 wrote:

 
That's a bit of apples and oranges....This might be a bit more appropriate (same outcome).... Canne webcam
 

There are apparently many people at the beaches in FL and southern GA; not just Spring-Break revelers either - families on vacation.  I guess if it's not really crowded it may not be so bad but a crowded beach?  Either way, I wouldn't go.
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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 8:10am



 black321 wrote:

 
That's a bit of apples and oranges....This might be a bit more appropriate (same outcome).... Canne webcam



black321

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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 7:49am


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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 5:29am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Amidst all the doom and gloom it is important to provide good news as well:

 

 

 

NO NEW INFECTIONS IN WUHAN

The outbreak epicentre of Wuhan reported no new infections for the first time, the National Health Commission said.

If no new case is reported for a gap of 14 consecutive days after the last, the lockdown could gradually be lifted, China Daily said, citing an epidemiologist.

"We expect new cases will cease to appear in mid or late March," said Li Lanjuan, director of China's State Key Laboratory for Diagnosis and Treatment of Infectious Diseases.

Wuhan, locked down since Jan. 23, remains Hubei's only city still designated "high-risk" and subject to strict travel bans.

It eased quarantine rules slightly, allowing people to walk in their compounds, rather than staying confined to living quarters, state-run CCTV said on Thursday.

No new infections have been reported for 14 days in the rest of Hubei, where authorities said on Thursday they would allow entry on certain conditions to people from other provinces, a post on a government site showed.

 
That is good news.  (btw your link has borked the board)
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Posted: Mar 19, 2020 - 4:58am

Amidst all the doom and gloom it is important to provide good news as well:

 

 

 

 

NO NEW INFECTIONS IN WUHAN

The outbreak epicentre of Wuhan reported no new infections for the first time, the National Health Commission said.

If no new case is reported for a gap of 14 consecutive days after the last, the lockdown could gradually be lifted, China Daily said, citing an epidemiologist.

"We expect new cases will cease to appear in mid or late March," said Li Lanjuan, director of China's State Key Laboratory for Diagnosis and Treatment of Infectious Diseases.

Wuhan, locked down since Jan. 23, remains Hubei's only city still designated "high-risk" and subject to strict travel bans.

It eased quarantine rules slightly, allowing people to walk in their compounds, rather than staying confined to living quarters, state-run CCTV said on Thursday.

No new infections have been reported for 14 days in the rest of Hubei, where authorities said on Thursday they would allow entry on certain conditions to people from other provinces, a post on a government site showed.

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:34pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Cool page that should go in the Graphs, Charts, and Maps thread, but:

The "novel" coronavirus is mutating as it goes.
 
I'm not smart enough to have any idea what that means.
 
At the bottom is the diversity: color-coded varieties of the virus along with the date, etc. The rest shows those colours (varieties) in graphs/maps that show how they are (probably) connected and where they are located.

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:27pm

 black321 wrote:
the point of risk management is not to eliminate risk, but mitigate it.  
 
And that's started by identifying and prioritizing risks.

Given that viruses inevitably evolve in an increasingly interconnected world...
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:27pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Cool page that should go in the Graphs, Charts, and Maps thread, but:

The "novel" coronavirus is mutating as it goes.
 

I'm not smart enough to have any idea what that means.
 

Me neither but my Dunning-Kreuger ability says that 1) people who say it's engineered in a lab are wrong because look how quickly it mutates and 2) "new" research that says it can be airborne transmission may only be true for later mutations and 3) whatever vaccine we find might be ineffective. 

So, nothing scary, just interesting. *breathes into paper bag*
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:21pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Cool page that should go in the Graphs, Charts, and Maps thread, but:

The "novel" coronavirus is mutating as it goes.
 

I'm not smart enough to have any idea what that means.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:14pm

Cool page that should go in the Graphs, Charts, and Maps thread, but:

The "novel" coronavirus is mutating as it goes.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:12pm



 black321 wrote:
the point of risk management is not to eliminate risk, but mitigate it.  
 

Well, at this point, yeah. 

"mitigate" = finding a balance between fatalities and economics that we're more or less not freaked out about.
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 6:00pm

"

Virus concentrates quickly, sheds efficiently

Led by researchers in Germany, the virologic study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, found that the novel coronavirus quickly begins producing high viral loads, sheds efficiently, and grows well in the upper respiratory tract (nose, mouth, nasal cavity, and throat).

"Shedding of viral RNA from sputum outlasted the end of symptoms," the authors wrote. "These findings suggest adjustments of current case definitions and re-evaluation of the prospects of outbreak containment."


The nine patients, who were admitted to the same Munich hospital, were studied because they had had close contact with an index case. Cell cultures and real-time polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) were done on throat swabs and samples of sputum, stool, blood, and urine. Throat swabs showed very high viral shedding during the first week of symptoms.

The findings contrasted starkly with those from the 2003 outbreak of SARS in terms of viral load. "In SARS, it took 7 to 10 days after onset until peak RNA concentrations (of up to 5x105 copies per swab) were reached," the researchers wrote. "In the present study, peak concentrations of Covid-19 were reached before day 5, and were more than 1,000 times higher."




— CIDRAP   University of Minnesota


black321

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 5:49pm

the point of risk management is not to eliminate risk, but mitigate it.  
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 4:59pm

Coronavirus Has Arrived at Rikers Island: Inside New York City Jails, Where the Pandemic Is Set to Explode
As New York City, like the rest of the United States, plunges into a public health crisis expected to be worse than anything in living memory, city residents have finally begun to heed the advice of medical professionals on how to limit exposure: Wash your hands often, disinfect surfaces, practice social distancing.

For the New Yorkers held in city jails on Rikers Island, though, these basic prescriptions — if they’ve even been made aware of them — are not within their power to follow.

They are locked in filthy intake rooms with dozens of other people for days on end, confined to housing units or dorm-style sleeping areas with scores of other people, dependent on staff for soap and on correction officers for permission and an escort to visit a medical clinic. The roughly 5,400 men and women detained in city jails on Rikers Island don’t have the agency to protect themselves from the disease, even as they are constantly exposed to the contagions of the outside world through the constant churn of three daily shifts of corrections officers and staff.

A New York City Department of Corrections employee died on Tuesday after being diagnosed with the coronavirus. A departmental press release cautioned that the dead man had only “limited contact” with people in custody. Officials said that, as of Tuesday, there had been no confirmed cases of Covid-19 inside city jails. On Wednesday, a news report said the first cases of coronavirus at the jail had been confirmed: one incarcerated person and a prison guard who worked at the jail complex’s gate. (...)

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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 4:23pm



 R_P wrote:
 black321 wrote:
What I can't get my head completely around is the response...the cost/benefit of the response. You have x% who are going to be hospitalized and y% who will die. X is costly, y is priceless...but what of the impact - financial & health - from the response. Goldman sachs estimated unemployment will rise to 6.25%....about 5m jobs (and that assumes the economy recovers by Aug). How many will lose insurance and healthcare due to being laid off?   Could we have kept restaurants, bars, stores open, but practiced safe distancing? How many private ventures will fail, causing bankruptcy, life dreams crushed in weeks? $1 trillion stimulus package, and thats just to start? All this, and all but the most sick still cant get tested?

Are these draconian measures really the best response?
 I'm not saying they aren't, but questioning.
 
You'd think it would be a wise (and cheap) investment to put some real experts on such problems and study them proactively (before they happen).

 
I know, right?
If only there was such a thing. It could be under the National Security Council (NSC), and staffed with experts in epidemiology, infectious diseases, and the like. You could call it something like 'The Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense' or something. I'm just spitballing here, but the idea has some merit.

Wait, what?
c.



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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 3:53pm



 Zep wrote:

Hey guy!
 

Hey Zep!

Staying safe?
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 3:44pm

 black321 wrote:
What I can't get my head completely around is the response...the cost/benefit of the response. You have x% who are going to be hospitalized and y% who will die. X is costly, y is priceless...but what of the impact - financial & health - from the response. Goldman sachs estimated unemployment will rise to 6.25%....about 5m jobs (and that assumes the economy recovers by Aug). How many will lose insurance and healthcare due to being laid off?   Could we have kept restaurants, bars, stores open, but practiced safe distancing? How many private ventures will fail, causing bankruptcy, life dreams crushed in weeks? $1 trillion stimulus package, and thats just to start? All this, and all but the most sick still cant get tested?

Are these draconian measures really the best response?
 I'm not saying they aren't, but questioning.
 
You'd think it would be a wise (and cheap) investment to put some real experts on such problems and study them proactively (before they happen).
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Posted: Mar 18, 2020 - 3:25pm

And now it's official. The rest of the semester is going to be online/remote. Students are to move out of the dorms and will get housing and dining refunds. Commencement is postponed. The libraries and the gym will remain closed. Students are also encouraged NOT to return to off-campus housing. Unprecedented.  
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