What the public (health) systems can only do is isolate, quarantine, and research the source of spread, as was already common in the middle ages. Insured or not.
Excellent advice. However, with zero insurance, no one will be quarantining me in a hospital. I refuse to spend the rest of my life homeless and bankrupt paying off a hospital bill equal to the amount of purchasing a home. No one can convince me hospitals won't be charging outrageous bills to patients after this is over. I'll self quarantine, thanx.
Uninsured millions would rather die than live in abject poverty. Even my neighbor, who's a Trumpy, said he'll start shooting if anyone tries to put him in a hospital. If my neighbor doesn't care about my health, then what reason do I have to care about his?
Sixty-five cases of the virus have been reported in the United States, but until this week, all of the cases could be explained by overseas travel or contact with someone who had been ill. The three new cases on Friday, and a case earlier in the week, in California, were the first in the United States where the cause was mysterious and unknown — a sign, experts warned, that the virus, which has killed more than 2,800 people worldwide and sickened tens of thousands of others, might now be spreading in this country.
“If we were worried yesterday, we are even more worried today,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “Now we have to ask: How widely, really widely, is this virus out there?”
As word emerged of the unexplained cases, local officials scrambled to trace everyone who had come in contact with those who were ill. California health officials said they were increasing testing. And in Washington State, officials suggested that people needed to prepare for the possibility of schools closing and businesses keeping workers home.
“We’re going to be increasingly recommending that people try and avoid crowds and close contact with other people,” Dr. Jeff Duchin, health officer for Public Health Seattle & King County, said. “We may get to a point where we want to recommend canceling large public gatherings — social events, sporting events, entertainment — until we get over a hump of what might be a large outbreak.”
Even the parent company of Corona, the beer brand, has seen its shares drop more than the broader market, which some have attributed to its having the same name as the virus.
Such fears do not bode well for a modern economy and stock market that depend on optimism and a willingness to spend. As recently as nine days ago, that optimism helped drive up the stock market to a new high.
I know you are rooting for disaster, death and for everyone to panic and be angry because it will help your agenda, but really the best thing to do is to wash your hands, stay to yourself as much as possible, stock up on food and supplies and remain calm. I don't have to change anything because I already live that way, but it would probably be good for more people to scale back their lives and start being more independent. That is what we should take from crises like these.
Edit: And remember should there be social disorder or even collapse, the urban centers will go first. Perhaps this will give those that think preppers wear tin foil hats pause for reflection.
Another agenda heard from?
Prepping is not an agenda, it is prepping nothing else. And if you think washing your hands, storing food and supplies and staying to yourself to prevent spreading of a virus is an agenda then I can't help you.
Sixty-five cases of the virus have been reported in the United States, but until this week, all of the cases could be explained by overseas travel or contact with someone who had been ill. The three new cases on Friday, and a case earlier in the week, in California, were the first in the United States where the cause was mysterious and unknown â a sign, experts warned, that the virus, which has killed more than 2,800 people worldwide and sickened tens of thousands of others, might now be spreading in this country.
âIf we were worried yesterday, we are even more worried today,â said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. âNow we have to ask: How widely, really widely, is this virus out there?â
As word emerged of the unexplained cases, local officials scrambled to trace everyone who had come in contact with those who were ill. California health officials said they were increasing testing. And in Washington State, officials suggested that people needed to prepare for the possibility of schools closing and businesses keeping workers home.
âWeâre going to be increasingly recommending that people try and avoid crowds and close contact with other people,â Dr. Jeff Duchin, health officer for Public Health Seattle & King County, said. âWe may get to a point where we want to recommend canceling large public gatherings â social events, sporting events, entertainment â until we get over a hump of what might be a large outbreak.â
Even the parent company of Corona, the beer brand, has seen its shares drop more than the broader market, which some have attributed to its having the same name as the virus.
Such fears do not bode well for a modern economy and stock market that depend on optimism and a willingness to spend. As recently as nine days ago, that optimism helped drive up the stock market to a new high.
I know you are rooting for disaster, death and for everyone to panic and be angry because it will help your agenda, but really the best thing to do is to wash your hands, stay to yourself as much as possible, stock up on food and supplies and remain calm. I don't have to change anything because I already live that way, but it would probably be good for more people to scale back their lives and start being more independent. That is what we should take from crises like these.
Edit: And remember should there be social disorder or even collapse, the urban centers will go first. Perhaps this will give those that think preppers wear tin foil hats pause for reflection.
All I know is we have tix to New Orleans in 3 weeks for a conference for Justine. My ticket is nonrefundable so I'm going, even if they reschedule the event. Might have to book a less-posh hotel tho. Anyone know the number of the YMCA?
I think there is a very real chance conferences like that will start canceling in droves. We'll see how the weekend goes, but life in the US is about to get very isolated and home-bound until there are at a minimum more answers.
As to your flights, airlines have begun allowing rescheduling for Italy and other heavily infected areas...hopefully, if you have to cancel you can use the tickets later.
All I know is we have tix to New Orleans in 3 weeks for a conference for Justine. My ticket is nonrefundable so I'm going, even if they reschedule the event. Might have to book a less-posh hotel tho. Anyone know the number of the YMCA?
All I know is we have tix to New Orleans in 3 weeks for a conference for Justine. My ticket is nonrefundable so I'm going, even if they reschedule the event. Might have to book a less-posh hotel tho. Anyone know the number of the YMCA?
Sixty-five cases of the virus have been reported in the United States, but until this week, all of the cases could be explained by overseas travel or contact with someone who had been ill. The three new cases on Friday, and a case earlier in the week, in California, were the first in the United States where the cause was mysterious and unknown — a sign, experts warned, that the virus, which has killed more than 2,800 people worldwide and sickened tens of thousands of others, might now be spreading in this country.
“If we were worried yesterday, we are even more worried today,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “Now we have to ask: How widely, really widely, is this virus out there?”
As word emerged of the unexplained cases, local officials scrambled to trace everyone who had come in contact with those who were ill. California health officials said they were increasing testing. And in Washington State, officials suggested that people needed to prepare for the possibility of schools closing and businesses keeping workers home.
“We’re going to be increasingly recommending that people try and avoid crowds and close contact with other people,” Dr. Jeff Duchin, health officer for Public Health Seattle & King County, said. “We may get to a point where we want to recommend canceling large public gatherings — social events, sporting events, entertainment — until we get over a hump of what might be a large outbreak.”
Even the parent company of Corona, the beer brand, has seen its shares drop more than the broader market, which some have attributed to its having the same name as the virus.
Such fears do not bode well for a modern economy and stock market that depend on optimism and a willingness to spend. As recently as nine days ago, that optimism helped drive up the stock market to a new high.
I know you are rooting for disaster, death and for everyone to panic and be angry because it will help your agenda, but really the best thing to do is to wash your hands, stay to yourself as much as possible, stock up on food and supplies and remain calm. I don't have to change anything because I already live that way, but it would probably be good for more people to scale back their lives and start being more independent. That is what we should take from crises like these.
Edit: And remember should there be social disorder or even collapse, the urban centers will go first. Perhaps this will give those that think preppers wear tin foil hats pause for reflection.
Sixty-five cases of the virus have been reported in the United States, but until this week, all of the cases could be explained by overseas travel or contact with someone who had been ill. The three new cases on Friday, and a case earlier in the week, in California, were the first in the United States where the cause was mysterious and unknown â a sign, experts warned, that the virus, which has killed more than 2,800 people worldwide and sickened tens of thousands of others, might now be spreading in this country.
âIf we were worried yesterday, we are even more worried today,â said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. âNow we have to ask: How widely, really widely, is this virus out there?â
As word emerged of the unexplained cases, local officials scrambled to trace everyone who had come in contact with those who were ill. California health officials said they were increasing testing. And in Washington State, officials suggested that people needed to prepare for the possibility of schools closing and businesses keeping workers home.
âWeâre going to be increasingly recommending that people try and avoid crowds and close contact with other people,â Dr. Jeff Duchin, health officer for Public Health Seattle & King County, said. âWe may get to a point where we want to recommend canceling large public gatherings â social events, sporting events, entertainment â until we get over a hump of what might be a large outbreak.â
Even the parent company of Corona, the beer brand, has seen its shares drop more than the broader market, which some have attributed to its having the same name as the virus.
Such fears do not bode well for a modern economy and stock market that depend on optimism and a willingness to spend. As recently as nine days ago, that optimism helped drive up the stock market to a new high.
I've read that in some areas where activity is slowly returning it's not so much that the risk hasn't changed as it is the risk assessment has changed. Maybe the risks weren't as severe as they first thought but they needed to step away and cease public activities until it could be sussed out.
That's a good point. One thing the governments should do is explain to people that it is proper to act quickly and severely then to back off as more information comes in. I'm afraid people will think "they got it wrong" and then blame the authorities and be less likely to listen next time.
Perzactly how we are approaching it. One biggie is filling a month's worth of prescription drugs, especially if they are needed daily. Rather be prepared than not. My 82 yr old Mum lives nearby and we are making sure she's in good shape. There's no living with her if she doesn't have HER FAVORITE BRAND of coffee.
This is the kind of social upheaval that will rip the fabric of normal family dysfunction.
Sounds like your mum has her priorities right.
I can understand that Mormon thing about being prepared for the apocalypse although I once had a neighbour who burned their house down because of all the fuel stashed in the garage. I don't feel right without an extra month of meds on hand.
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
I placed an order for equipment I might need for work just in case the supply chain gets messed up. Been following posts elsewhere from an expat in China. Interesting that they are starting to see more shops open and more people on the street. It appears to me that at some point, people will get back to their lives just because it is impossible not to, even if the risk hasn't changed.
I've read that in some areas where activity is slowly returning it's not so much that the risk hasn't changed as it is the risk assessment has changed. Maybe the risks weren't as severe as they first thought but they needed to step away and cease public activities until it could be sussed out.
That's a good point. One thing the governments should do is explain to people that it is proper to act quickly and severely then to back off as more information comes in. I'm afraid people will think "they got it wrong" and then blame the authorities and be less likely to listen next time.
Perzactly how we are approaching it. One biggie is filling a month's worth of prescription drugs, especially if they are needed daily. Rather be prepared than not. My 82 yr old Mum lives nearby and we are making sure she's in good shape. There's no living with her if she doesn't have HER FAVORITE BRAND of coffee.
This is the kind of social upheaval that will rip the fabric of normal family dysfunction.
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
I placed an order for equipment I might need for work just in case the supply chain gets messed up. Been following posts elsewhere from an expat in China. Interesting that they are starting to see more shops open and more people on the street. It appears to me that at some point, people will get back to their lives just because it is impossible not to, even if the risk hasn't changed.
yes. Starbucks had closed over half its 4300 stores....now 85% are back open.
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
I placed an order for equipment I might need for work just in case the supply chain gets messed up. Been following posts elsewhere from an expat in China. Interesting that they are starting to see more shops open and more people on the street. It appears to me that at some point, people will get back to their lives just because it is impossible not to, even if the risk hasn't changed.
I've read that in some areas where activity is slowly returning it's not so much that the risk hasn't changed as it is the risk assessment has changed. Maybe the risks weren't as severe as they first thought but they needed to step away and cease public activities until it could be sussed out.
yep
busy week for me with work and tax season
i did my usual hurricane prep in the early part of the week
had to stop by a major store today and i did see some people with prep material
i tried to get some rubbing alcohol and the entire shelf was bare
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
I placed an order for equipment I might need for work just in case the supply chain gets messed up. Been following posts elsewhere from an expat in China. Interesting that they are starting to see more shops open and more people on the street. It appears to me that at some point, people will get back to their lives just because it is impossible not to, even if the risk hasn't changed.
I've read that in some areas where activity is slowly returning it's not so much that the risk hasn't changed as it is the risk assessment has changed. Maybe the risks weren't as severe as they first thought but they needed to step away and cease public activities until it could be sussed out.
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
I placed an order for equipment I might need for work just in case the supply chain gets messed up. Been following posts elsewhere from an expat in China. Interesting that they are starting to see more shops open and more people on the street. It appears to me that at some point, people will get back to their lives just because it is impossible not to, even if the risk hasn't changed.
Imho, the anxiety is not so much about the virus itself (or the plethora of quick vaccine reports), but the kink in the hose of our interdependent nation markets. Movement of goods, supplies, parts, shipments to our ports, deliveries to our cities, the U.S. will definitely feel a rattle from this economic earthquake. Whether the virus hits the U.S. hard or soft, no one knows, but quarantines are lethal to production and commerce. Right now, I'm more worried about those images of empty shelves in China and Italy and what our local grocery store may look like in a month. Yup, I'm shallow that way.
