kurtster wrote:
 

Kurtster wrote:
"What part of it did you miss that the organization is founded based on the big lie about Michael Brown in Ferguson ? "


No, it was founded because of the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's killer. Maybe you don't remember...George Zimmerman was a volunteer watchman for a gated community. He pursued, questioned and killed Martin. He was acquitted by claiming that Florida's Stand Your Ground law gave him the right to shoot if he felt that Martin was threatening his life.

Zimmerman has been involved in a number of confrontations with people since the trial btw which undermine Zimmerman's claim that he was defending himself.

Martin was killed in February 2012. Michael Brown was killed in August 2014.



From Blacklivesmatter.com: 

#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.



Kurtster wrote: 
"I read it and came away with BLM being a black supremacist organization, a more violent reflection of the KKK on the other side. I've already  pointed out that as an organization through an official spokeswoman in Chicago, that they consider looting as reparations. They advocate for the end of the patriarchal society through whatever means possible. The end of the traditional two parent family unit. A single parent model for the family with the mother in charge. They justify violence as a means to their end."


Did you actually read for yourself, Kurt, or did you just listen to some yammerhead like Hannity or Limbaugh? Because you've parrotted Limbaugh before; remember ranting about global warming being accepted as settled science? You also  posted pictures of Hitler Youth children to emphasize the risk of younger generations being brainwashed to blindly accept global warming science and theory. IIRC plagiarized Limbaugh's transcript for whole chunks of your post.

Not your finest hour.



I'm not sure that I see where BLM is a black supremacist organization, wedded to violence and the end of "the patriarchal society" and "the end of the two-parent family unit."

From blacklivesmatter.com: 

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.

Kurtster wrote: 

"They want the police defunded and totally disbanded."

No, Kurt. You really didn't dig very deep, did you? 

https://blacklivesmatter.com/w...

BLM Managing Director Kailee Scales speaks for three minutes in the video that I linked to just above. She and BLM advocate taking some money from police departments and investing them in "human-centered services"—education, healthcare, housing, opportunity. Many police departments agree with that general idea because their cops are being asked to do too much in their work on the street—for instance, handling mentally ill people through established policies that don't help those people but instead just cycle them through the criminal justice system.

You should watch the video if only to understand that BLM does not want to destroy America. Start at the 1:00 mark if you can't stand watching a Black woman speak intelligently.

Kurtster wrote: 

"I've already pointed out that as an organization through an official spokeswoman in Chicago, that they consider looting as reparations."

ONE leader of a local BLM chapter responded during a riot to a reporter's question on how she felt about looting with one off-the-cuff remark. I debunked this claim of yours before.

Kurtster wrote: 

"Make a donation ? Where does that link take you ?"

Act Blue, I think you mean. Hey Kurt, if the GOP weren't so hell-bent on enacting anti-Black policies and positions, it might get more support and donations from Blacks.

I'm really hoping you're not going to look around for a local chapter of the KKK, buddy.

 kcar wrote: 
What part of it did you miss that the organization is founded based on the big lie about Michael Brown in Ferguson ?  Just in the past month a third investigation of the matter cleared the cop of any wrong doing.  They choose to ignore the facts and use this incident to justify their founding and very existence. 

They are wholly based upon a lie.

I read it and came away with BLM being a black supremacist organization, a more violent reflection of the KKK on the other side.  I've already pointed out that as an organization through an official spokeswoman in Chicago, that they consider looting as reparations.  They advocate for the end of the patriarchal society through whatever means possible.  The end of the traditional two parent family unit.  A single parent model for the family with the mother in charge.  They justify violence as a means to their end.  What does any of this have to do with race relations in America ?  They want the police defunded and totally disbanded. Things will not get better without the police and black people will suffer the most from a lack of police. I guess you find all of that OK as you did not mention any of it. They want to break things, not fix them.  And you believe that they have no real influence on your party ?

Make a donation ?  Where does that link take you ?

 kurtster wrote:
 
AFAICT  there are 3 cops next to Blake before he walks around his car to get to the driver's seat. TMZ.com has an different video from the one aired by NBC and others. In it the cops had Blake on the ground on the passenger side of the car.

Why didn't the cops tackle Blake as he was walking around to the driver's seat? Why didn't they taser him? Why did they shoot 7 times? According to eyewitnesses Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women.

There are two sides to every story. The police will investigate and put out more information. The cops' actions may be me justified than first appears. 

But you fixate on the violence caused by protesters. I don't recall seeing posts from you talking about BLM protests as warranted or just. You ignore the reports by newspapers that BLM protests have been largely peaceful. For you it seems BLM protests are part of a collapse of order and society.

What part of blacklivesmatter.com do you dislike or fear? Do you think MLK's protests and marches were a sign of a dangerous breakdown off society?

Have you forgotten that protests over George Floyd's death were nationwide and filled with White as well as Black Americans? BLM is not taking over the Democratic party. Americans from all political parties want more Justice for blacks.

I think violence during protests is wrong, dangerous and counter-productive. Physical attacks against cops are crimes. But I don't go as far as you apparently do and use those incidents as an excuse to de-legitimize an entire protest movement.

I posted a NYT piece earlier that estimated the BLM protests and marches this summer were the largest protest movement in the history of the country. Larger than the civil rights movement in the 60s. Think on that before you dismiss them as only mob violence. 

 kcar wrote: 
Yeah, I saw a video of the man not following police orders walking away and reaching for something in a car.  I just rechecked and watched the video again with full attention.

In this present world with cops quitting or retiring in droves because they are now all being treated like the bad guys before they set out their front door in the morning or evening or whenever, if you have any instinct for survival and self defense, you're going to assume the mentality of better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Since the man's car was present, I am sure someone ran the plate and was able to come up with the man's identity, who to the best of my knowledge has a previous history with the legal system.  That knowledge would certainly change the posture of the police on scene.  Especially if he was not complying with their lawful commands.  We'll get the body cam video and audio soon.

But you and all the rioters already have your minds made up that this was an attempted murder by the police.  So go ahead and loot and burn, for any reason, whether it is a good one or not.  Just to let you know ... there is never a good reason to loot and burn.

Have you been to blacklivesmatter.com yet ?  I suggest you go visit and have a look see.  I went through the whole place.  Everything but the videos.  The written information is enough for me to make conclusions.

We can have a real good discussion about them then if you like.  These are the people who are taking over your party.  You better get to know who you are following and supporting with your immovable support of your party.

 kurtster wrote:
 

Congrats on posting that screed without once mentioning Jacob Blake or his three kids who witnessed their dad getting shot for no good reason. Really impressive, Kurt.

 Steely_D wrote:
 

hear, hear

Biden won’t stop it. 
But at least he won’t be in tacit agreement with the violence of the police against people who don’t deserve it.

The police/public relationship needs fixing, and the public will/should revolt until it improves. If the leaders listen (which, right now, is out of the question) then discussion might be a possible way of approaching it.
But, when people are frustrated for good reason (here I could post any of the scores of videos where the police are unnecessarily violent, even to innocent people), and their leaders (Trump) aren’t listening - what are their options? Voting? Remember that we’ve been told it’s fraudulent, and it’s been made impossible in some settings.

So, no dialogue, no voting, no trend towards improvement in relations - exactly what reaction would someone expect by the folks who are being abused by the government that should be protecting them?

So do all of you democrats out there expect this to all magically go away when Biden gets elected, right ?

Anyone see what happened in Kenosha ?  We now have a new term as a result of all of these peaceful protests.  It is 'bricked"

Heard that in some of the footage from Kenosha when a cop got hit in the head with a brick and was knocked out cold on the ground.

I heard a protester shout, "He got bricked !"

I know that all of you democrats out there hold the democratically run cities where nearly all of these cute little "protests" are happening as not responsible in any way, shape or form for allowing this stuff to happen.  It is all Trump's fault, right ?  None of this would be happening if Hillary had won, right ?

So Biden is going to end all of this with his democratic magic wand, right ?

Frankly, I only see it getting worse because these protesters will feel empowered with a Biden presidency because your party has pretty much allowed this to continue and escalate by pretending it isn't really happening.  Exhibit A is not one reference to any of this violence that I am aware of during your convention.

Y'all said Portland would quiet down once the Feds left.  The Feds left and things continued without skipping a beat.  People and companies are getting out of Seattle in a hurry.  Chicago will be the new Detroit.

They are your monsters.  You gave them their power by not doing anything meaningful to stop them and hold them criminally responsible for their criminal behaviour.

 R_P wrote:

 

The Oregon state police are pulling out of Portland because everyone they arrest are being released and not prosecuted.

As I said earlier, the whole town is in on it.

For some of President Donald Trump’s loudest cheerleaders, it was a story too good to check out: Black Lives Matters protesters in Portland, Ore., had burned a stack of Bibles, and then topped off the fire with American flags. There was even a video to prove it.

The story was a near-perfect fit for a central Trump campaign talking point – that with liberals and Democrats comes godless disorder – and it went viral among Republicans within hours of appearing earlier this month. The New York Post wrote about it, as did The Federalist, saying that the protesters had shown “their true colors.” Senator Ted Cruz said of the protesters, “This is who they are.” Donald Trump Jr., the President’s son, tweeted that antifa had moved to “the book burning phase.”

The truth was far more mundane. A few protesters among the many thousands appear to have burned a single Bible – and possibly a second – for kindling to start a bigger fire. None of the other protesters seemed to notice or care.

Yet in the rush to paint all the protesters as Bible-burning zealots, few of the politicians or commentators who weighed in on the incident took the time to look into the story’s veracity, or to figure out that it had originated with a Kremlin-backed video news agency. And now, days later, the Portland Bible burnings appear to be one of the first viral Russian disinformation hits of the 2020 presidential campaign.

Note the sign.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

protesting doesn't do much

remember the time when some nasa engineers were trying to build rocket ships to go to the moon?

me neither, but manbird does

so anyway they saw some people protesting and were curious

one said maybe we should protest gravity thinking that it might help

there was an uncomfortable moment of silence then the others said that it was a stoopid idea

so they decided not to protest gravity and focused on building rocket ships

and they finally got to the moon

there's a moral to this story

maybe

Residents of Chicago Neighborhood Eject Black Lives Matter Protesters

 kurtster wrote:
 

I can't quit you, darling. Your boundless charm, your twinkling eyes and those irresistible glasses that capture the very essence of your mojo.

 kurtster wrote:


"I think it is you who needs to do the research of

*  the things you support  and

* who else supports them and

* who they in turn support."


Yes, my Colonel!  Could you sing that in an opera voice, Colonel?

"Evidently you think BLM is something different than what it really is."

Bacon, lettuce...matzohs?

So apparently Black Lives Matter is really The Borg where every member thinks the same thing and all the BLM people are going to loot, pillage and rampage 'cause that's how reparations have to happen.

Could you give them your address?

 kcar wrote: 
I think it is you who needs to do the research of the things you support and who else supports them and who they in turn support.

Evidently you think BLM is something different than what it really is. 

Remember what they did to Bernie in 2016 ?  They ran him over and cut off his balls.

 kcar wrote:
 
Questions about Trump trigger his implant and render him mute.