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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 10:25am

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Thanks for reminding us once again of the true shallowness of your intellect.

Don't forget to wipe the orange off your snout...
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 10:19am



 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:
The DOJ's press conference underway right now, and AG Barr just named Antifa as one entity plotting out acts of violence.

Try harder to keep up.
 
Yes, you two have something in common...


 

Thanks for reminding us once again of the true shallowness of your intellect.


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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 10:03am

 KarmaKarma wrote:
The DOJ's press conference underway right now, and AG Barr just named Antifa as one entity plotting out acts of violence.

Try harder to keep up.
 
Yes, you two have something in common...


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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 9:59am



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 kurtster wrote:
This stuff about ANTIFA is real.  They are getting more organized every time they appear.  ANTIFA is mostly bored rich white kids who have been coddled and protected from consequences of their actions by their rich parents and have become amoral about what they do.  They are opportunists yes, but more than that, they are thugs on call and answer the bell when it is rung.  Who is ringing the bell ? Got me, but I sure would like to find out.
 
But you already knew "who's ringing the bell!"

kurtster wrote:
Fuck em all, let em swing with a loose knot.

ANTIFA (...) a wing of the blue party (...) are like coyotes. They should be shot on sight.

White House Forced to Retract Claim Viral Videos Prove Antifa Is Plotting Violence

 

The DOJ's press conference underway right now, and AG Barr just named Antifa as one entity plotting out acts of violence.

Try harder to keep up.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 9:48am

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This stuff about ANTIFA is real.  They are getting more organized every time they appear.  ANTIFA is mostly bored rich white kids who have been coddled and protected from consequences of their actions by their rich parents and have become amoral about what they do.  They are opportunists yes, but more than that, they are thugs on call and answer the bell when it is rung.  Who is ringing the bell ? Got me, but I sure would like to find out.
 
But you already knew "who's ringing the bell!"

kurtster wrote:
Fuck em all, let em swing with a loose knot.

ANTIFA (...) a wing of the blue party (...) are like coyotes. They should be shot on sight.

White House Forced to Retract Claim Viral Videos Prove Antifa Is Plotting Violence

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 9:41am



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so, we agree on fundamentals. Who'd have thunk it. So, are you going to sit down and listen, or keep parading mean boys with their mean toys?

 


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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 8:37am

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Regardless of your political affiliation, regardless of your cultural values, regardless of what socks you wear… here are some lessons from teaching special needs kids:

  • Civilized behavior between kids hangs on a silken thread.  
  • Harmony in the classroom depends upon some kind of accord, something fundamental that the kids all buy into. 
  • When kids opt out of this accord you have lost the very thing that binds the class together.  
  • Whether their grievance is real or just perceived doesn’t matter a rat’s arse. Both cases need addressing equally by the teacher when it comes down to it. All that matters is whether the kid buys into the fundamental accord or not. 
  • If the kid's grievance is real, then, if you sincere about harmony in the classroom, you should rectify the grievance. 
  • If the kid's grievance is only perceived, then the failure is one of communication and you should rectify how you all communicate.
  • Meeting violence with violence does neither, but merely entrenches those who opt out of the group in their belief that the class is not for them. 
  • Sanctions are a valid tool, but they only work with the right communication. Your ultimate goal is to get the kids to internalise the rules of social cohesion.
I vote we assign Trump to teaching special needs kids for a while till he learns the tricks of the trade.



 

Nice. Good stuff. The cure isn't the application of just one solution.  
 
so, we agree on fundamentals. Who'd have thunk it. So, are you going to sit down and listen, or keep parading mean boys with their mean toys?
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 6:24am



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Regardless of your political affiliation, regardless of your cultural values, regardless of what socks you wear… here are some lessons from teaching special needs kids:

  • Civilized behavior between kids hangs on a silken thread.  
  • Harmony in the classroom depends upon some kind of accord, something fundamental that the kids all buy into. 
  • When kids opt out of this accord you have lost the very thing that binds the class together.  
  • Whether their grievance is real or just perceived doesn’t matter a rat’s arse. Both cases need addressing equally by the teacher when it comes down to it. All that matters is whether the kid buys into the fundamental accord or not. 
  • If the kid's grievance is real, then, if you sincere about harmony in the classroom, you should rectify the grievance. 
  • If the kid's grievance is only perceived, then the failure is one of communication and you should rectify how you all communicate.
  • Meeting violence with violence does neither, but merely entrenches those who opt out of the group in their belief that the class is not for them. 
  • Sanctions are a valid tool, but they only work with the right communication. Your ultimate goal is to get the kids to internalise the rules of social cohesion.
I vote we assign Trump to teaching special needs kids for a while till he learns the tricks of the trade.



 

Nice. Good stuff. The cure isn't the application of just one solution.  
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:56am

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Good beginning. 
 
Thank you.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:54am

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People will be held accountable when caught. 

That includes the police when they cross lines. 

It is the only way to make any dialogue that would follow meaningful.

And believable.
 
Good beginning. 
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:41am

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Very true.. so when the talking starts, what's your line?
 
People will be held accountable when caught. 

That includes the police when they cross lines. 

It is the only way to make any dialogue that would follow meaningful.

And believable.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:37am

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In case you haven't noticed, the level of violence and looting has slowed dramatically since Trump made that threat.

Got to calm things down before any talking begins.
 
Very true.. so when the talking starts, what's your line?
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:26am

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You are being too simplistic. Think wider. It's not just sticks and carrots and you are not above them in the hierarchy to wield any sticks or offer any carrots anyway.

You are talking about your fellow compatriots. Your neighbours. The people you want to live with. Throwing a hissy fit is not my idea of a solution. Got anything more creative than bootcamp?
 
In case you haven't noticed, the level of violence and looting has slowed dramatically since Trump made that threat.

Got to calm things down before any talking begins.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:24am

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No, I'm concentrating on a deterrent to these activities. 

Gotta stop it from going on first. 

That should be priority 1.  Everything else follows.

You want to let it run its course on its own until everyone gets too tired to do anymore violence and looting or there is nothing more left to break or loot and talk about why during the clean up ?
 
You are being too simplistic. Think wider. It's not just sticks and carrots and you are not above them in the hierarchy to wield any sticks or offer any carrots anyway.

You are talking about your fellow compatriots. Your neighbours. The people you want to live with. Throwing a hissy fit is not my idea of a solution. Got anything more creative than bootcamp?
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 5:11am

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Looting is a crime. So is vandalism. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. No argument. 
Pretty sure the police are able and willing to find the perpetrators and probably will, over time. 

But by concentrating on the punishment, you are (willingly?) ignoring the cause.. how did it come to this? Why would anyone want to step outside the normal boundaries and (gulp) disrespect the law and (gulp) steal property?  You might find it in your own self-interest to address that question with a bit more nuance. There is a lot more at stake here than a few Rolex watches.

 
No, I'm concentrating on a deterrent to these activities. 

Gotta stop it from going on first. 

That should be priority 1.  Everything else follows.

You want to let it run its course on its own until everyone gets too tired to do anymore violence and looting or there is nothing more left to break or take and talk about why during the clean up ?
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 4:36am

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Knocking off a Rolex store to the tune of $2.4 mil is a bit more than looting and vandalism. 

Knocking off Macy's at Herald Square is a bit more than looting and vandalism.

Can we at least agree on that ?

When the cops won't / can't do anything about it, who is ?
 
Looting is a crime. So is vandalism. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. No argument. 
Pretty sure the police are able and willing to find the perpetrators and probably will, over time. 

But by concentrating on the punishment, you are (willingly?) ignoring the cause.. how did it come to this? Why would anyone want to step outside the normal boundaries and (gulp) disrespect the law and (gulp) steal property?  You might find it in your own self-interest to address that question with a bit more nuance. There is a lot more at stake here than a few Rolex watches.

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 4:06am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
.. so boot camp it is then. 
 
Knocking off a Rolex store to the tune of $2.4 mil is a bit more than looting and vandalism. 

Knocking off Macy's at Herald Square is a bit more than looting and vandalism.

Can we at least agree on that ?

When the cops won't / can't do anything about it, who is ?
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 3:48am

.. so boot camp it is then. 
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 3:44am

Violence, property destruction and looting is not excusable, period.  That those committing these acts take advantage of the unintentional cover provided by the protesters is what it is.  It is happening.  The 20th Century theory of letting things run its course by letting everyone get it out of their system is not working, not that it did in the first place.  This is how we got to where we are now in the case of the present violence, property destruction and looting.  

It has gotten totally out of hand.  In NYC for example, there is really no reason to stop anyone because those caught get released immediately because of no bail laws.  No consequences exist and in reality, those arresting these people are more at legal risk than the perps the way this no bail stuff is set up.

This stuff about ANTIFA is real.  They are getting more organized every time they appear.  ANTIFA is mostly bored rich white kids who have been coddled and protected from consequences of their actions by their rich parents and have become amoral about what they do.  They are opportunists yes, but more than that, they are thugs on call and answer the bell when it is rung.  Who is ringing the bell ?  Got me, but I sure would like to find out.

With things so out of control due to local governments' either inability to control their cities or the lack of desire, something has to be done to stop this stuff in its tracks ASAP.  If I was Trump, given everything that has played out so far, I would threaten to put regular military troops on the street.  Threatening it is one thing, doing it is another and highly unlikely.  But you gotta do something to get everyone's attention and say uh oh, we have gone too far.  Given nothing else was working, what's left ?  That is the way I'm looking at this and Trump's threat.

People like ANTIFA doing what they are doing in the name of anti fascism are only guaranteeing a fascist type response to their violence if they persist.  They are trying to drag us all down to their level so they can say, look at the fascists in operation and further their anarchistic ambitions.  See we told you so, the army of the fascists is on the streets and threatening all of our's liberty and freedom.  Rise up against what ?  The people who are trying to defend us from the perps who started all of this stuff in the first place ?

A government's first responsibility according to my understanding, is to protect the lives and property of its citizens.  Ain't no one else doing it.  Trump, the big bad guy, is the only one trying.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

ymwv ...
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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 - 2:56am

Regardless of your political affiliation, regardless of your cultural values, regardless of what socks you wear… here are some lessons from teaching special needs kids:

  • Civilized behavior between kids hangs on a silken thread.  
  • Harmony in the classroom depends upon some kind of accord, something fundamental that the kids all buy into. 
  • When kids opt out of this accord you have lost the very thing that binds the class together.  
  • Whether their grievance is real or just perceived doesn’t matter a rat’s arse. Both cases need addressing equally by the teacher when it comes down to it. All that matters is whether the kid buys into the fundamental accord or not. 
  • If the kid's grievance is real, then, if you sincere about harmony in the classroom, you should rectify the grievance. 
  • If the kid's grievance is only perceived, then the failure is one of communication and you should rectify how you all communicate.
  • Meeting violence with violence does neither, but merely entrenches those who opt out of the group in their belief that the class is not for them. 
  • Sanctions are a valid tool, but they only work with the right communication. Your ultimate goal is to get the kids to internalise the rules of social cohesion.
I vote we assign Trump to teaching special needs kids for a while till he learns the tricks of the trade.


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