Red_Dragon wrote: 
Far out. It's like some medieval nightmare come back to life.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

World War 2 rolled over Kharkov 4 times, and now this.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Thank god we still have Ohmsen Ivanshole to keep us stimulated.

 Ivanhoe wrote: 
Oh, I have no problem with elevated intellectual positions. You just have to have a number of them around. One alone would be kind of depressing.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
No, just an aside.

 R_P wrote: 
so that's what this is about, is it? 

 whatshisname wrote:

Ah, my bad, turns out it was about Turkey joining the EU

Is Turkey in the European Union?

No - Turkey is not one of the 27 member countries of the European Union.

Turkey has been keen to join the European Union since the late 1980s, but negotiations ground to a halt in 2016 - and it doesn't look like they are going to resume any time soon.

The country’s poor human rights record in over the years has been singled out as a sticking point for EU membership.

It seems unlikely the republic will join the union any time soon.

Croatia was the last country to officially join the European Union in 2013.

Expanding the union has always been a difficult pill to swallow for some, who believe it will spread resources too thin.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...

 Ivanhoe wrote: 
morning. Yep, a lot of people on both sides of the fence fall for it.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
It's still early days...

airborne paratroopers landed in Kharkiv at 3 am local time. 

Now this is about to get really bloody.

Putin huilo. Come on Ukraine. You've got this.

 Animal-Farm wrote:

Now come on Animal-Farm , one war at a time please .

 R_P wrote: 

It’s not imperialism; this is great-power politics.

More bullshit Realpolitik..  It's imperialism plain and simple. If we followed that reasoning the world would be an Orwellian nightmare divided up into three power blocks and none of us would be free of autocratic one-party government leadership. Fuck that.  Go Ukraine.

EDIT.. also re Scott Ritter down below.. kind of ironic how US-born detractors of the USA seem quite happy to keep the old Cold War power structures of USA vs. Russia in place and are willing to throw any small nations at the feet of one of the two.

 R_P wrote:

Turkey was saying wtf, we applied years ago, so we need to get invaded to get in?!?

European Parliament Accepts Ukraine's Application to Join EU, Work Remains

Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine *
For years, the political scientist has claimed that Putin’s aggression toward Ukraine is caused by Western intervention. Have recent events changed his mind?

 VV wrote:

True, but I can't imagine they were caught flat-footed.

 Red_Dragon wrote:
What is not known is how many may have already been taken out by airfield bombardment and whether there are any operational airfields at this point.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yes, I've seen that, but it seems as if they could be doing more - see my edit.


edit: The Su-25s are designed specifically for this sort of thing.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I thought they were droning some of them.