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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 10:13am



 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
This will provide some context as with all deep thinkers, it is not that simple.  Also how can it be sanctimonious if I already provided a caveat that this is not even about judgment or saying that growing up is better than not growing up, I made that quite clear.  Anyway, if you are interested in a full explanation:
 
 
As for keeping people from taking him seriously, some may not, but I was not aware that this was an overall issue with him.  Seems to me he is doing alright for himself and is a well respected thinker for those that value such things.  Pretty sure credibility is not an issue, there are plenty who disagree with him, but not taking him seriously.....seriously?
{#Eek}

Yeah, seriously. He became a free speech martyr and rode that to stardom, but there just isn't that much to him.

I'm glad he used his alt-platform to re-introduce people to Enlightenment values, glad he is an articulate defender of intellectual honesty. That's commendable and all, but that should be the minimum for being a public intellectual. What he brings to the table beyond that is bland Christian moralism. He's no Christopher Hitchens.

The fact that he is seen as a radical—by both his detractors and supporters—is a sad comment on the current intellectual atmosphere.
 
Well that's pretty friggin obvious.
Peterson is far from any form of fundamentalism.

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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 10:11am

 Lazy8 wrote:
What he brings to the table beyond that is bland Christian moralism.
 
Cleverly repackaged as self-help for reactionaries/conservatives.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 10:05am

sirdroseph wrote:
This will provide some context as with all deep thinkers, it is not that simple.  Also how can it be sanctimonious if I already provided a caveat that this is not even about judgment or saying that growing up is better than not growing up, I made that quite clear.  Anyway, if you are interested in a full explanation:
 
 
As for keeping people from taking him seriously, some may not, but I was not aware that this was an overall issue with him.  Seems to me he is doing alright for himself and is a well respected thinker for those that value such things.  Pretty sure credibility is not an issue, there are plenty who disagree with him, but not taking him seriously.....seriously?
{#Eek}

Yeah, seriously. He became a free speech martyr and rode that to stardom, but there just isn't that much to him.

I'm glad he used his alt-platform to re-introduce people to Enlightenment values, glad he is an articulate defender of intellectual honesty. That's commendable and all, but that should be the minimum for being a public intellectual. What he brings to the table beyond that is bland Christian moralism. He's no Christopher Hitchens.

The fact that he is seen as a radical—by both his detractors and supporters—is a sad comment on the current intellectual atmosphere.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 8:50am

 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
"I don't think it is possible to grow up without having children."   Jordan Peterson


I would like to add that having children does not guarantee growing up either.  Caveat is that this opinion does not put a judgment on growing up as a goal or as a pejorative.

This is the kind of hyperbole is what keeps people from taking him seriously. He has interesting/relevant/true things to say and brackets them with sanctimonious nonsense like this.
 
This will provide some context as with all deep thinkers, it is not that simple.  Also how can it be sanctimonious if I already provided a caveat that this is not even about judgment or saying that growing up is better than not growing up, I made that quite clear.  Anyway, if you are interested in a full explanation:
 
 
As for keeping people from taking him seriously, some may not, but I was not aware that this was an overall issue with him.  Seems to me he is doing alright for himself and is a well respected thinker for those that value such things.  Pretty sure credibility is not an issue, there are plenty who disagree with him, but not taking him seriously.....seriously?{#Eek} 
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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 8:05am

sirdroseph wrote:
"I don't think it is possible to grow up without having children."   Jordan Peterson


I would like to add that having children does not guarantee growing up either.  Caveat is that this opinion does not put a judgment on growing up as a goal or as a pejorative.

This is the kind of hyperbole is what keeps people from taking him seriously. He has interesting/relevant/true things to say and brackets them with sanctimonious nonsense like this.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2021 - 5:03am

"I don't think it is possible to grow up without having children."   Jordan Peterson


I would like to add that having children does not guarantee growing up either.  Caveat is that this opinion does not put a judgment on growing up as a goal or as a pejorative.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2021 - 4:39am

"When people get use to preferential treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination". Thomas Sowell
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Posted: Mar 12, 2021 - 4:14am

"A government big enough to give you what you want is big enough to take away everything you have."
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Posted: Mar 10, 2021 - 11:31am

Chucky's in love...
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Posted: Mar 10, 2021 - 11:26am

“If you are happy as a human then so be it. But be warned — just as we humans split from chimpanzees years ago, so cyborgs will split from humans. Those who remain human will likely become a subspecies. They will, effectively, be the chimpanzees of the future”

— Klaus Schwab
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Posted: Feb 26, 2021 - 4:03am

"Never trust anyone who doesn't like Led Zeppelin"
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Posted: Feb 20, 2021 - 5:30pm

Do you really think love has anything to do with being a man!?
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Posted: Feb 17, 2021 - 7:58am

“When you have an edifice based on deception, being able to speak critically is an existential threat.”
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Posted: Feb 11, 2021 - 6:34am



 miamizsun wrote:
If you're always angry, outraged, and believe the world is out to get you, you're being sold self-sabotage under the guise of empowerment.

- Ayishat Akanbi
 

Not to mention it is the height of narcissism and self importance.  Sounds like something Jordan Peterson ie Hitler would say.  I always suspected you were a closet Nazi.
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Posted: Feb 11, 2021 - 4:49am

If you're always angry, outraged, and believe the world is out to get you, you're being sold self-sabotage under the guise of empowerment.

- Ayishat Akanbi
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Posted: Feb 6, 2021 - 10:03am

Like Christ said, love thee one another. I learned to do that, and I learned to respect and be appreciative and thankful for what I had.

James Brown
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Posted: Feb 6, 2021 - 8:48am

Living in America is like living in a household with divorcing parents
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 2:17pm

Human Kind
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Posted: Jan 25, 2021 - 6:47pm

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"I wined and dined with kings and queens; and I've slept in alleys and ate pork and beans"

Dusty Rhodes
 
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