Unions can be a force for good but they can also suffer from precisely the same kind of entrenched power they originally tried to combat. Without having to "bust the unions" maybe the best way out of this is a sea change in public opinion. When you get a majority of cops down on one knee showing respect and solidarity, it won't take long to vote out a Kroll (says me with absolutely zilch local knowledge, but hell, one can hope).
when discussing unions, you need to make the distinction between public (cops, teachers), and private unions (grocery store, factory workers). a union organizes workers as one counterparty to negotiate with the other side -gov for public, owners/managers for private. the problem with public unions is the the union usually has the gov in their back pocket...they help them get elected, whether it's a major, county supervisor, legislator, governor...so when the union asks for a raise, there usually isnt much push back, like an owner/manager will do against private unions...ultimately the people, who the gov represent, have little say
p.s., private unions helped build the middle class of this country
I guess with teachers' unions it depends which state or municipality they are in that determines the amount of push-back. There are teachers all over the country who have only seen minimal, if any, raises in years, even if they are in a union, and issues such as smaller class sizes go largely ignored.
Unions can be a force for good but they can also suffer from precisely the same kind of entrenched power they originally tried to combat. Without having to "bust the unions" maybe the best way out of this is a sea change in public opinion. When you get a majority of cops down on one knee showing respect and solidarity, it won't take long to vote out a Kroll (says me with absolutely zilch local knowledge, but hell, one can hope).
when discussing unions, you need to make the distinction between public (cops, teachers), and private unions (grocery store, factory workers). a union organizes workers as one counterparty to negotiate with the other side -gov for public, owners/managers for private. the problem with public unions is the the union usually has the gov in their back pocket...they help them get elected, whether it's a major, county supervisor, legislator, governor...so when the union asks for a raise, there usually isnt much push back, like an owner/manager will do against private unions...ultimately the people, who the gov represent, have little say
p.s., private unions helped build the middle class of this country
I guess with teachers' unions it depends which state or municipality they are in that determines the amount of push-back. There are teachers all over the country who have only seen minimal, if any, raises in years, even if they are in a union, and issues such as smaller class sizes go largely ignored.
Unions can be a force for good but they can also suffer from precisely the same kind of entrenched power they originally tried to combat. Without having to "bust the unions" maybe the best way out of this is a sea change in public opinion. When you get a majority of cops down on one knee showing respect and solidarity, it won't take long to vote out a Kroll (says me with absolutely zilch local knowledge, but hell, one can hope).
when discussing unions, you need to make the distinction between public (cops, teachers), and private unions (grocery store, factory workers). a union organizes workers as one counterparty to negotiate with the other side -gov for public, owners/managers for private. the problem with public unions is the the union usually has the gov in their back pocket...they help them get elected, whether it's a major, county supervisor, legislator, governor...so when the union asks for a raise, there usually isnt much push back, like an owner/manager will do against private unions...ultimately the people, who the gov represent, have little say
p.s., private unions helped build the middle class of this country
Unions can be a force for good but they can also suffer from precisely the same kind of entrenched power they originally tried to combat. Without having to "bust the unions" maybe the best way out of this is a sea change in public opinion. When you get a majority of cops down on one knee showing respect and solidarity, it won't take long to vote out a Kroll (says me with absolutely zilch local knowledge, but hell, one can hope).
Plus, humans are weird. The same thing that leads to riots leads to cops taking a knee one day and swinging nightsticks the next. The first guy to do any of thosemakes it very likely that someone will follow suit. Most humans have a first instinct to "live and let live," so the first rioter gets shrugged off, maybe. The cop on a perp's neck makes the other cops think, okay, unorthodox, but okay... I don't have answers, other than "see something, say something."
Well we can highlight police unions—I'm pro-union but you know me; nothing's black and white: police unions who cover for bad cops are a problem. Much more likely to be a thing in pro-union cities. Getting rid of the police union is hard, until a union-busting GOP takes over, but then everybody loses.
Unions can be a force for good but they can also suffer from precisely the same kind of entrenched power they originally tried to combat. Without having to "bust the unions" maybe the best way out of this is a sea change in public opinion. When you get a majority of cops down on one knee showing respect and solidarity, it won't take long to vote out a Kroll (says me with absolutely zilch local knowledge, but hell, one can hope).
By no means am I defending Republicans and certainly not Trump, but what does systemic mean anyway? These are not only fair points, but important points if we plan to actually do something about our corrupt police. I think it is safe to say that actual racist Republicans are not going to offer any help, but what about the people that are in power that are supposed "allies" to the cause?
Democrats have run Minneapolis for generations. Why is there still systemic racism?
"Minneapolis, Minn. has been under Democratic control since 1978. Chicago has been under Democratic control for 89 years; its present mayor is a black woman. Philadelphia has had Democratic mayors for 68 years; three of its last five mayors have been black men. Six of the last seven Atlanta, Ga., mayoral administrations were led by black Democratic mayors, and the present mayor is a black woman.
"A city runs its police department and other services; therefore, if there is so much 'systemic racism' in these organizations, why hasn't it been corrected over so many years under Democratic leaders?
"Why aren't these cities garden spots of racial tolerance, understanding, and virtue?"
There have been no answers.
In the wake of the 2015 riots in Baltimore after the death in police custody of a black man named Freddie Gray, CNN anchor Chris Cuomo interviewed black Baltimore City Councilman Nick Mosby, a Democrat.
Mosbyâs answer, particularly to Cuomoâs last question below, is instructive, in that itâs clear he wasnât expecting it:
MOSBY: This is much more than Freddie Gray. Freddie Gray was the culmination of, again, decades â the young guys out here showing their frustration and venting, being angry and doing it in an unproductive way, they are carrying their father's burden. They're carrying their grandfather's burden. Again this is generations old of failed policies and broken promises.
CUOMO: You are a Democrat, right?
MOSBY: Yes.
CUOMO: Is this on you guys? The mayor is a Democrat, you're a Democrat, 50 years of Democratic rule here, and is this an idea that you haven't gotten it done as a party, as a structure here, and is that the focus on the blame?
MOSBY: Leadership is not based off of party lines, and at the end of the day, have individuals failed in this city, in this state, in this country? Yes. Have there been failed policies? Yes. Have things adversely affected places like Baltimore? Yes, whether you're talking about Reaganomics, whether you're talking about the contraband where they talk about stop and frisk procedures or mass incarceration. All of these things directly play into recidivism and play into the things that plague these communities. So it's all about leadership and not necessarily about parties.
Thatâs a lengthy, rambling way around the barn to say he wasnât going to give a specific answer to a direct question, because itâs about the party to which he belongs. However, if you go to the City of Baltimoreâs website and click on the government directory, under "P" youâll find the Baltimore Police Department, because itâs the city of Baltimoreâs responsibility.
Cuomoâs question was pertinent. It went unanswered.
Well we can highlight police unionsâI'm pro-union but you know me; nothing's black and white: police unions who cover for bad cops are a problem. Much more likely to be a thing in pro-union cities. Getting rid of the police union is hard, until a union-busting GOP takes over, but then everybody loses.
By no means am I defending Republicans and certainly not Trump, but what does systemic mean anyway? These are not only fair points, but important points if we plan to actually do something about our corrupt police. I think it is safe to say that actual racist Republicans are not going to offer any help, but what about the people that are in power that are supposed "allies" to the cause??
Democrats have run Minneapolis for generations. Why is there still systemic racism?
By no means am I defending Republicans and certainly not Trump, but what does systemic mean anyway? These are not only fair points, but important points if we plan to actually do something about our corrupt police. I think it is safe to say that actual racist Republicans are not going to offer any help, but what about the people that are in power that are supposed "allies" to the cause??
Democrats have run Minneapolis for generations. Why is there still systemic racism?
"Minneapolis, Minn. has been under Democratic control since 1978. Chicago has been under Democratic control for 89 years; its present mayor is a black woman. Philadelphia has had Democratic mayors for 68 years; three of its last five mayors have been black men. Six of the last seven Atlanta, Ga., mayoral administrations were led by black Democratic mayors, and the present mayor is a black woman.
"A city runs its police department and other services; therefore, if there is so much 'systemic racism' in these organizations, why hasn't it been corrected over so many years under Democratic leaders?
"Why aren't these cities garden spots of racial tolerance, understanding, and virtue?"
There have been no answers.
In the wake of the 2015 riots in Baltimore after the death in police custody of a black man named Freddie Gray, CNN anchor Chris Cuomo interviewed black Baltimore City Councilman Nick Mosby, a Democrat.
Mosby’s answer, particularly to Cuomo’s last question below, is instructive, in that it’s clear he wasn’t expecting it:
MOSBY: This is much more than Freddie Gray. Freddie Gray was the culmination of, again, decades – the young guys out here showing their frustration and venting, being angry and doing it in an unproductive way, they are carrying their father's burden. They're carrying their grandfather's burden. Again this is generations old of failed policies and broken promises.
CUOMO: You are a Democrat, right?
MOSBY: Yes.
CUOMO: Is this on you guys? The mayor is a Democrat, you're a Democrat, 50 years of Democratic rule here, and is this an idea that you haven't gotten it done as a party, as a structure here, and is that the focus on the blame?
MOSBY: Leadership is not based off of party lines, and at the end of the day, have individuals failed in this city, in this state, in this country? Yes. Have there been failed policies? Yes. Have things adversely affected places like Baltimore? Yes, whether you're talking about Reaganomics, whether you're talking about the contraband where they talk about stop and frisk procedures or mass incarceration. All of these things directly play into recidivism and play into the things that plague these communities. So it's all about leadership and not necessarily about parties.
That’s a lengthy, rambling way around the barn to say he wasn’t going to give a specific answer to a direct question, because it’s about the party to which he belongs. However, if you go to the City of Baltimore’s website and click on the government directory, under "P" you’ll find the Baltimore Police Department, because it’s the city of Baltimore’s responsibility.
Cuomo’s question was pertinent. It went unanswered.
A young man really wanted to take out a very beautiful girl to the school prom. She was so beautiful and popular there was a lineup across the school to ask her.
He waits and waits and waits, eventually getting to her and asking. To his delight, she says yes!
There's a bit of preparation he has to do leading up to prom, so he gets right to it. His first task: rent a limo, gotta impress her right?!
He goes to the limo rental place and, with prom coming up, there's a HUGE line. He waits for hours and hours, and gets to the desk. There's still one available! He waited forever but he's happy he got it done.
Next task: get a beautiful corsage. He goes to the florist, and whatdya know, there's a looooong line to get flowers. He waits nearly 6 hours! But eventually gets the most beautiful corsage he's ever seen. As he's leaving the florist, he thinks 'Damn! I should also get a bouquet for her mother, make a good impression!' so he gets back in line and waits ANOTHER 6 hours to grab a bouquet of her mother's favorite flowers. Sheesh he's been waiting alot.
Final task: get a charming tuxedo. He's low on cash so he stops by the bank. The line isn't too bad but he's still waiting around for a long time. He gets the cash, and leaves for the tux rental place.
He gets there and, of course, another huge wait for our poor fellow. He waits around for nearly half a day to rent his tux! He nearly gives up but he finally gets the tux and everything is set!!
The night comes, he arrives at her house in the limo, introduces himself to her parents and gives her mom the beautiful bouquet, in turn then placing the corsage around his stunning date's wrist. They, all giddy and excited, hop in the limo and head to the school.
The drop off has a huge line of limos, and they're waiting for a couple hours to get to the school, and get inside to prom.
By God! After all this waiting they're FINALLY in the dance hall and they're having an amazing time! Seeing friends, dancing, chatting with one another. After a while she says to the boy, 'Im thirsty, could you grab me something to drink?' He obliges and heads over to grab some refreshments.
For the first time that week, the boy is surprised, he doesn't have to wait!
A young man really wanted to take out a very beautiful girl to the school prom. She was so beautiful and popular there was a lineup across the school to ask her.
He waits and waits and waits, eventually getting to her and asking. To his delight, she says yes!
There's a bit of preparation he has to do leading up to prom, so he gets right to it. His first task: rent a limo, gotta impress her right?!
He goes to the limo rental place and, with prom coming up, there's a HUGE line. He waits for hours and hours, and gets to the desk. There's still one available! He waited forever but he's happy he got it done.
Next task: get a beautiful corsage. He goes to the florist, and whatdya know, there's a looooong line to get flowers. He waits nearly 6 hours! But eventually gets the most beautiful corsage he's ever seen. As he's leaving the florist, he thinks 'Damn! I should also get a bouquet for her mother, make a good impression!' so he gets back in line and waits ANOTHER 6 hours to grab a bouquet of her mother's favorite flowers. Sheesh he's been waiting alot.
Final task: get a charming tuxedo. He's low on cash so he stops by the bank. The line isn't too bad but he's still waiting around for a long time. He gets the cash, and leaves for the tux rental place.
He gets there and, of course, another huge wait for our poor fellow. He waits around for nearly half a day to rent his tux! He nearly gives up but he finally gets the tux and everything is set!!
The night comes, he arrives at her house in the limo, introduces himself to her parents and gives her mom the beautiful bouquet, in turn then placing the corsage around his stunning date's wrist. They, all giddy and excited, hop in the limo and head to the school.
The drop off has a huge line of limos, and they're waiting for a couple hours to get to the school, and get inside to prom.
By God! After all this waiting they're FINALLY in the dance hall and they're having an amazing time! Seeing friends, dancing, chatting with one another. After a while she says to the boy, 'Im thirsty, could you grab me something to drink?' He obliges and heads over to grab some refreshments.
For the first time that week, the boy is surprised, he doesn't have to wait!
TFW you realize your office co-worker has been telling you a story for the last 5 minutes and you only tune in because the sound of it is that sort of I'm wrapping this up inflection so your primitive brain reflexively knows a response is required.
