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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 - 7:39am

 Alexandra wrote:
I saw this one, and thought about how I still think of my students!!! (Guess I wasn't meant to be a teacher for very long—-in a classroom, anyway)
 
 muzik wrote:
I saw this and it made me think of all those students over the past 17 years...(although 1 or 2 made me want to NOT teach!  {#Lol})
   
I knew there would be people on here that appreciated that one.

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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 - 7:35am

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From today's PostSecrets:

 

 
I saw this and it made me think of all those students over the past 17 years...(although 1 or 2 made me want to NOT teach!  {#Lol})
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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 - 7:33am

 newwavegurly wrote:
From today's PostSecrets:

 

 

I saw this one, and thought about how I still think of my students!!! (Guess I wasn't meant to be a teacher for very long—-in a classroom, anyway)

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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 - 7:29am

From today's PostSecrets:

 
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Posted: Aug 29, 2010 - 6:43pm

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Not sure where this fits in the argument, but my own experience tells me that having a really good teacher followed by a bad one = much suffering of grades.
 
There are many challenges to teaching which are erroneous to ability or inability.

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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 9:42pm

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Gotta disagree, from my experience. Tenured or not, young or old: the good teachers are good, the bad ones are bad. Yeah, some of the old guard is really bad, coasting on tenure—but some of the new folks are worse, secure in the fact they'll almost certainly not be fired unless they kill somebody and not benefited by experience. At least in the institutions in which I've taught, I didn't see any correlation between age and (in)competence.

 
Not sure where this fits in the argument, but my own experience tells me that having a really good teacher followed by a bad one = much suffering of grades.

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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 9:40pm

 Xeric wrote:
Gotta disagree, from my experience. Tenured or not, young or old: the good teachers are good, the bad ones are bad. Yeah, some of the old guard is really bad, coasting on tenure—but some of the new folks are worse, secure in the fact they'll almost certainly not be fired unless they kill somebody and not benefited by experience. At least in the institutions in which I've taught, I didn't see any correlation between age and (in)competence.
 
I do agree, there are teachers who are good no matter what their situation is, as well as bad ones that are bad no matter what their situation is. 

But like I said in my initial post, it depends upon the institution—and probably the subject matter/field of study as well. (In reference to tenured professors and "old guard" vs. "new blood" in the field of college education.)
 


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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 9:36pm

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I don't see that as being the case at the college level. As a matter of fact, I think the tenured professors that have been teaching for many years tend to teach the same thing over and over, whether it works or not, and many just go through the motions. Younger instructors/professors seem to have a much more vested interest in their students, and challenge their thought process more.
 
Of course, some of this depends on the type of institution you work for as well. If the instructors/professors have an annual renewable contract versus tenure, they tend to stay on their toes a bit more and try to be innovative in their classes with their students. 

 


Gotta disagree, from my experience. Tenured or not, young or old: the good teachers are good, the bad ones are bad. Yeah, some of the old guard is really bad, coasting on tenure—but some of the new folks are worse, secure in the fact they'll almost certainly not be fired unless they kill somebody and not benefited by experience. At least in the institutions in which I've taught, I didn't see any correlation between age and (in)competence.
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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 9:27pm

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L strongly agrees with this, at least at a Jr. High level.  Younger teachers are more inclined to teach to the state-mandated tests and grade for a high class average (makes them look good), while older ones are more concerned that the students learn the subject.
 
I don't see that as being the case at the college level. As a matter of fact, I think the tenured professors that have been teaching for many years tend to teach the same thing over and over, whether it works or not, and many just go through the motions. Younger instructors/professors seem to have a much more vested interest in their students, and challenge their thought process more.
 
Of course, some of this depends on the type of institution you work for as well. If the instructors/professors have an annual renewable contract versus tenure, they tend to stay on their toes a bit more and try to be innovative in their classes with their students. 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 9:16pm

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The title isn't just provocative, it's completely besides the point, but the article sheds some light on the difference between good teaching and good grades.

Your math teacher is a dolt. Does it matter?

There has been a running argument in academic circles about whether the quality of teaching has an impact on student performance in class and in follow-on courses. The problem with settling the question has been in conducting a test free of such mitigating influences as when students can pick their teacher. Researchers from UC Davis and the U. S. Air Force Academy recently took a stab at the question by evaluating Academy students who were randomly assigned to professors. Faculty members there all teach the same course using an identical syllabus and give the same exams during a common testing period. USAFA students are also randomly assigned to numerous follow-on courses.

Surprisingly, researchers found that professors who excel at promoting student achievement in the class they teach will, on average, harm the subsequent performance of their students in more advanced classes. And a professor's academic rank, teaching experience, and degree status negatively correlated with student performance in the class they taught, but positively correlated with performance in follow-on courses. Students of less-experienced instructors who did not possess a Ph.D. performed significantly better in the contemporaneous course, but worse in follow-on related courses.

The reason for this behavior? Well, the researchers aren't entirely sure why. They speculate that one potential explanation is that less-experienced professors may teach more strictly to the regimented curriculum being tested, while the more-experienced professors broaden the curriculum and produce students with a deeper understanding of the material.



 
L strongly agrees with this, at least at a Jr. High level.  Younger teachers are more inclined to teach to the state-mandated tests and grade for a high class average (makes them look good), while older ones are more concerned that the students learn the subject.

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Posted: Aug 28, 2010 - 8:56pm

The title isn't just provocative, it's completely besides the point, but the article sheds some light on the difference between good teaching and good grades.

Your math teacher is a dolt. Does it matter?

There has been a running argument in academic circles about whether the quality of teaching has an impact on student performance in class and in follow-on courses. The problem with settling the question has been in conducting a test free of such mitigating influences as when students can pick their teacher. Researchers from UC Davis and the U. S. Air Force Academy recently took a stab at the question by evaluating Academy students who were randomly assigned to professors. Faculty members there all teach the same course using an identical syllabus and give the same exams during a common testing period. USAFA students are also randomly assigned to numerous follow-on courses.

Surprisingly, researchers found that professors who excel at promoting student achievement in the class they teach will, on average, harm the subsequent performance of their students in more advanced classes. And a professor's academic rank, teaching experience, and degree status negatively correlated with student performance in the class they taught, but positively correlated with performance in follow-on courses. Students of less-experienced instructors who did not possess a Ph.D. performed significantly better in the contemporaneous course, but worse in follow-on related courses.

The reason for this behavior? Well, the researchers aren't entirely sure why. They speculate that one potential explanation is that less-experienced professors may teach more strictly to the regimented curriculum being tested, while the more-experienced professors broaden the curriculum and produce students with a deeper understanding of the material.


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