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kurtster

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 3:20pm

 steeler wrote:

Something I had to inform some of my clients back when I was doing some criminal defense work: 

That other people may have been doing the same thing as you and may be just as guilty as you, but are not being prosecuted is not a defense.   

 
I couldn't agree more.  But it also is evocative of the existence of the double standard.
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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 3:19pm

 islander wrote:

Someday you should be the subject of a well funded study.

 
I don't care who you are that's funny right there.
islander

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 3:06pm

 kurtster wrote:
 black321 wrote:

Already know Hillary is dirty...so no surprises.  My dollar bet is Obama comes out clean.
 

I think that your dollar is safe.

I was being kinda glib in my statement at the end.  

I have developed a thought about Manafort and the Podesta Group over the weekend.  I am thinking that Manafort was planted into the Trump campaign by the Clinton camp via discreet back channels to insure that Trump got the repub nomination in order to insure a Hillary win.  Trump welcomed Manafort's arrival, but dumped him like a hot potato (much to Trump's credit) once his ties to Ukraine came out.

We long ago learned but ignored Ukraine lobbying on behalf of Hillary and the DNC during the campaign.  Perhaps its one of the reasons that the DNC never let the FBI look at its servers after the hacking of them.  That and other incriminating nuggets ...

Personally, A) I think Manafort was set up as a patsy to take the fall by the Dems and B) the Dems have more to fear from Manafort than does Trump.

None of this was ever supposed to be exposed because Hillary was a sure thing to be elected and all of this would have been swept under the rug.  They got cocky, being used to getting away with everything.  Now it's the Deep State which is leading the defense of Hillary, Obama, et al.  

But all the preceding are just my own thoughts on the matter, and worthless in the big picture.
 
Someday you should be the subject of a well funded study.
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 3:01pm

 black321 wrote:

Already know Hillary is dirty...so no surprises.  My dollar bet is Obama comes out clean.
 

I think that your dollar is safe.

I was being kinda glib in my statement at the end.  

I have developed a thought about Manafort and the Podesta Group over the weekend.  I am thinking that Manafort was planted into the Trump campaign by the Clinton camp via discreet back channels to insure that Trump got the repub nomination in order to insure a Hillary win.  Trump welcomed Manafort's arrival, but dumped him like a hot potato (much to Trump's credit) once his ties to Ukraine came out.

We long ago learned but ignored Ukraine lobbying on behalf of Hillary and the DNC during the campaign.  Perhaps its one of the reasons that the DNC never let the FBI look at its servers after the hacking of them.  That and other incriminating nuggets ...

Personally, A) I think Manafort was set up as a patsy to take the fall by the Dems and B) the Dems have more to fear from Manafort than does Trump.

None of this was ever supposed to be exposed because Hillary was a sure thing to be elected and all of this would have been swept under the rug.  They got cocky, being used to getting away with everything.  Now it's the Deep State which is leading the defense of Hillary, Obama, et al.  

But all the preceding are just my own thoughts on the matter, and worthless in the big picture.

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 2:51pm

 steeler wrote:

Something I had to inform some of my clients back when I was doing some criminal defense work: 

That other people may have been doing the same thing as you and may be just as guilty as you, but are not being prosecuted is not a defense.   



 
Never worked with my mom either.
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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 2:25pm

 kurtster wrote:
Uh oh ...
Breaking: Tony Podesta Steps Down As Manafort Indictment Raises Questions

In this indictment (of Manafort and Gates), the special counsel alleges that Company A and Company B knew full well what Manafort and Gates were doing in their lobbying, and conspired to keep the lobbying from being properly reported. If those are Podesta Group and Mercury, they should be very worried about being next on the indictment list for violations of the Foreign Agent and Registration Act (FARA). Sean Davis says that they appear to be the only two firms connected to Manafort:

If so, this raises very interesting questions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Tony Podesta has run the Podesta Group for the most part since founding it with his brother John, but John ran the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2015-16 and served as Obama’s chief of staff between January 2014 and February 2015. Just how far did Manafort’s lobbying reach, and who exactly acted as its conduits?

Not to worry though, Democrats are immune from Mueller's investigation.  Mueller is one of them and will protect them from indictment and all of its trappings.  Mueller is up to his own eyeballs in Uranium One, so he is motivated to keep Hillary safe.  Besides, Hillary lost so there is no good reason to investigate her even if she is guilty of any wrong doing.  



 
Something I had to inform some of my clients back when I was doing some criminal defense work: 

That other people may have been doing the same thing as you and may be just as guilty as you, but are not being prosecuted is not a defense.   




black321

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 2:20pm

 kurtster wrote:
Uh oh ...
Breaking: Tony Podesta Steps Down As Manafort Indictment Raises Questions

In this indictment (of Manafort and Gates), the special counsel alleges that Company A and Company B knew full well what Manafort and Gates were doing in their lobbying, and conspired to keep the lobbying from being properly reported. If those are Podesta Group and Mercury, they should be very worried about being next on the indictment list for violations of the Foreign Agent and Registration Act (FARA). Sean Davis says that they appear to be the only two firms connected to Manafort:

If so, this raises very interesting questions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Tony Podesta has run the Podesta Group for the most part since founding it with his brother John, but John ran the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2015-16 and served as Obama’s chief of staff between January 2014 and February 2015. Just how far did Manafort’s lobbying reach, and who exactly acted as its conduits?

Not to worry though, Democrats are immune from Mueller's investigation.  Mueller is one of them and will protect them from indictment and all of its trappings.  Mueller is up to his own eyeballs in Uranium One, so he is motivated to keep Hillary safe.  Besides, Hillary lost so there is no good reason to investigate her even if she is guilty of any wrong doing.  



 
Already know Hillary is dirty...so no surprises.  My dollar bet is Obama comes out clean.


kurtster

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 2:09pm

Uh oh ...
Breaking: Tony Podesta Steps Down As Manafort Indictment Raises Questions

In this indictment (of Manafort and Gates), the special counsel alleges that Company A and Company B knew full well what Manafort and Gates were doing in their lobbying, and conspired to keep the lobbying from being properly reported. If those are Podesta Group and Mercury, they should be very worried about being next on the indictment list for violations of the Foreign Agent and Registration Act (FARA). Sean Davis says that they appear to be the only two firms connected to Manafort:

If so, this raises very interesting questions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Tony Podesta has run the Podesta Group for the most part since founding it with his brother John, but John ran the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2015-16 and served as Obama’s chief of staff between January 2014 and February 2015. Just how far did Manafort’s lobbying reach, and who exactly acted as its conduits?

Not to worry though, Democrats are immune from Mueller's investigation.  Mueller is one of them and will protect them from indictment and all of its trappings.  Mueller is up to his own eyeballs in Uranium One, so he is motivated to keep Hillary safe.  Besides, Hillary lost so there is no good reason to investigate her even if she is guilty of any wrong doing.  


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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 1:18pm

Guess who DIDN'T get indicted.....  

HILLARY 

I'm not a huge Hillary fan but I have to admire her as a trailblazer, a warrior woman in a boys club.  It's clear to see she is passionate about her beliefs and that's something I respect.   I don't have to agree with her to respect her.  

Trump on the other hand, is the person I despise most ever in my life.  I still have to believe he has a heart though I believe it's capacity is limited to his immediate family and close friends (and that's a stretch).   I pity him for never gaining the ability to have empathy for others.  I can only imagine how truly empty of emotion his soul must be.

I DO thank Trump for bringing apathetic Americans back into the fold.  I DO thank Trump for pissing women off because now we are ready to battle for our rights.   As one woman said during the Pink Parade in DC.....  "I CANT' BELIEVE I STILL HAVE TO FIGHT THIS SHIT."    I DO thank Trump for reminding us that we must stand up to tyranny and injustice, whether we win the fight or not.  

(climbing off her soapbox)

Peace everybody...   Blessed Samhain





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Posted: Oct 29, 2017 - 5:05pm


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Posted: Oct 29, 2017 - 10:08am

How Trump Created a Problem for U.S. Farmers
#fuckingmoron
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Posted: Oct 29, 2017 - 9:11am



Nothing expresses calm confidence better than a caps-locked scream of 'DO SOMETHING!'






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Posted: Oct 29, 2017 - 7:16am

#fuckingmoron
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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 27, 2017 - 7:49pm

 kcar wrote:

Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research by Firm That Later Produced Dossier

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html?_r=0

 
ayup.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2017 - 7:34pm


Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research by Firm That Later Produced Dossier

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html?_r=0
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Posted: Oct 27, 2017 - 6:41pm

As he moved on and started handing out bags of Hershey's kisses, he commented to one child,
"Well you have no weight problems – that's the good news, right? So you take out whatever you need. If you want some for your friends, take it. We have plenty."

Here's what happened when Trump invited reporters' kids in costume into the Oval Office


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Posted: Oct 27, 2017 - 6:32pm

Washington (CNN) - A federal grand jury in Washington, DC, on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2017 - 7:13am

Trump's 'Merica
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