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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 12:52pm

 black321 wrote:
So why don't republicans like Kasich?  Not angry enough? 

 
I'll try, since he is my Gov and voted for him twice.  

He has been a good gov, fixed a lot of things.  If Trump was not running, he would be my default establishment guy, especially over the other choices left.  Friends who are bleeding heart D's here in Ohiya have said that they could and actually would like to vote for Kasich over all the original candidates back when there were 5 D's and 17 R's running.

But I don't really know why he is running.  He waited until the last minute to announce.  Is campaigning here and there, not everywhere.  He just does not come off as strong on the kind of leadership needed at the top level.  

I could go deeper on what he's done with taxes here that doesn't sit well with me.  Such as he thinks that he did a great job lowering income taxes, but in doing so, he raised the sales tax to compensate.  That screws people on fixed incomes like Social Security who don't get that break and end up paying more in taxes.  He doesn't get that.  In fact he has not said one word about what he would do with Social Security or Medicare after going to his website.  Just vagueries about a tax plan.  Nothing about a flat tax or a VAT.  Me, I'm a flat taxer.  Consumption taxes are not fair (they screw the little guys) and too unpredictable for forecasting purposes.

I already know his immigration / border plan and he is just plain too soft.  Does not even address it on his website.

He's a good guy and a decent governor and I could vote for him a third time if we didn't have term limits in Ohiya, but he just ain't prezidential timber. 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 12:21pm

The 5 Stages of Trump.




black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 11:05am

So why don't republicans like Kasich?  Not angry enough? 
islander

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:13am

Relevant:

http://www.independent.com/news/2016/feb/20/dont-take-my-stuff-ism/ wrote:

Don’t Take My Stuff-ism


Saturday, February 20, 2016

The more I watch this sometimes ugly presidential campaign unfold, the more I observe a growing voter segment of compulsive self-serving “hoarders” prone to packing away a sometimes hapless clutter of ideas, beliefs, and wants they consider absolute, including far too many that are outdated, uncaring, useless, and even counterproductive.

Don’t take away my stuff, they say. The more I have the better, my guns, my one true religion, my way of life spent only with people who look, sound, and believe as I do. Just pile it up over here. This is a scary world. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my tax money all for myself unless it benefits me personally, my freedom to do as I wish without restraint for my own financial advantage, even if harms the health and well-being of innocent victims. Just stack it up over there. These are anxious times. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my nostalgia for a perceived better past, my celebration of a greater generation slipping way, my memories of imagined happier days. Just leave it right where it is. This is a threatening period in our history. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my preoccupation that all the good jobs have been unfairly poached by lesser nations, that might makes right, that the U.S. military on the ground and dropping bombs are the only effective foreign policy tools we have. Just heave it into the corner. These are troubling days. I may need all this stuff someday.

No wonder an intervention is called for, a cleanup and clean out if we expect America ever to regain its sanity. Finding comfort trapped in the repeatedly unworkable debris of the past is not healthy. It’s time to back up the truck. There is a wider world out there that is less scary than we think, waiting for exciting and innovative thinking — not presidential candidates catering to hoarders by peddling junk!



  
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:08am

 black321 wrote:

I assume you meant shouldn't.  Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions.

 
Oops. Sorry/thanks/fixed.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:08am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Oh yes because I have never met a rude, obnoxious or patronizingly condescending liberal before.

 
Traditionally, liberals were the rude type...it's kinda part of their description, to break up the old way of doing things.  But over the last decade or so, conservatives have found a way to be equally rude, if not more (Trump). 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:57am

 black321 wrote:

I assume you meant shouldn't.  Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions.

 
Well there's a large chunk of the voting public who does not want that.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:54am

 Steely_D wrote:

This.

"I'm not politically correct" is simply a euphemism for "I didn't learn manners from my momma."
Then I always wonder whose fault was it? His, or his momma's? 

 
Oh yes because I have never met a rude, obnoxious or patronizingly condescending liberal before.


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:49am

 black321 wrote:

I assume you meant shouldn't.  Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions.

 
This.

"I'm not politically correct" is simply a euphemism for "I didn't learn manners from my momma."
Then I always wonder whose fault was it? His, or his momma's? 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:43am

 islander wrote:

It's possible to be too PC, but it should be countered with being rude, obnoxious, bullies. The world has moved, there is a middle ground that needs to be achieved.

 
I assume you meant shouldn't.  Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:38am

PC puts feelings over facts.  You can't speak with facts because it hurts my feelings.  How do you find a middle ground in that ?

This is how Political Correctness really works.  It stops rationality and common sense from happening and causes word play to be the new reality.  

 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:11am

 islander wrote:

I'm with you on trigger warnings and much of the hyper nannyism that occurs. But so much of the "we're too PC" stuff seems to go well beyond that and deep into the realm of "Things were better back in the good old days", which sounds a lot like there is a dog whistle tag that goes "when women and colored folks knew their place".

It's possible to be too PC, but it should be countered with being rude, obnoxious, bullies. The world has moved, there is a middle ground that needs to be achieved.

 
I agree and it is the reasonable people like us that get squeezed out from the loud, obnoxious zealots of both the left and the right.  I am afraid common sense and intellectual honesty are the real losers in all of this din.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 8:17am

 DaveInVA wrote: 
That was a great article. Identity politics and political correctness is killing the West. Sweden and Canada are really far gone, perhaps beyond recovery. 

 
In the words of Ben Garrison:

TRUMP SLAYS THE DRAGON OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

 

One of the reasons for Trump’s popularity is he speaks from the heart and not a teleprompter. He doesn’t need a script and he’s not afraid to speak bluntly. Most of all, he’s not afraid of 'political correctness.' He’s not afraid to say “Merry Christmas” or call illegal immigration ‘illegal.’ He’s for respecting our laws, which includes closing down the currently wide open borders. For that he’s called a nut and a racist and a hater and all sorts of things. He doesn’t care.

 

For too long we’ve been subjected to cynical, pre-packaged political robots who are installed to further the agenda of globalists at the top. They buy out and own the politicians. Well, Trump can’t be bought out. He’s already rich. Lobbyists will not be able to control him. Personal scandals? He’s fearless. His life is already an open book. We know about his marriages and affairs and it doesn’t matter. Because instead of walking delicately on politically correct eggshells, he fearlessly stomps his feet and says “Enough!” He wants to stop exporting jobs overseas. He wants to stop making crappy deals such as the one Obama and Kerry just made with Iran—a deal that didn’t even return American captives. A deal that allows Iran to do their own inspecting. Deals where we give our leverage away for nothing while giving billions back to a country bent on hating America and destroying Israel. I doubt Trump would have made that deal.

 

Trump is used to dealing and getting things done. Telling blunt truths is apparently is not politically correct in either party, but so be it. Many Americans find Trump’s approach to be very refreshing—including me!—Ben Garrison

 


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:50am

 DaveInVA wrote: 
{#Yes}

Political correctness is a creed, and the creed holds that American conservatives are ignorant, stupid, and evil. This has been the creed for a generation, but people are angry now because we see, for the first time, political correctness powering an administration and a federal bureaucracy the way a big V-8 powers a sports car. The Department of Justice contributes its opinion that the IRS was guilty of no crime — and has made other politically slanted decisions too; and those decisions all express the credo of thought-police liberalism, as captured by the motto soon to be mounted (we hear) above the main door at the White House, the IRS, and the DOJ: We know what's best; you shut up.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:46am

 DaveInVA wrote: 
I'm with you on trigger warnings and much of the hyper nannyism that occurs. But so much of the "we're too PC" stuff seems to go well beyond that and deep into the realm of "Things were better back in the good old days", which sounds a lot like there is a dog whistle tag that goes "when women and colored folks knew their place".

It's possible to be too PC, but it shouldn't be countered with being rude, obnoxious, bullies. The world has moved, there is a middle ground that needs to be achieved.


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:25am

The Elephant in the Room


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 4:20am


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Posted: Feb 20, 2016 - 5:32am

I would have changed my vote if he'd said, "You there, with the glasses. I want you. I want you right up front. THERE YOU GO! How does it feel?"
and I think Huntsman might've done just that.

 
rotekz wrote:




 


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Posted: Feb 20, 2016 - 4:49am

The irony is rich with the orange one.  Paints himself as a renegade, but in reality just like the rest of them a vote for Trump is a vote for the status quo. 
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Posted: Feb 18, 2016 - 11:10pm

A very different (and very mainstream) story...

In 2002, Donald Trump Said He Supported Invading Iraq
“Are you for invading Iraq?” Howard Stern asked him, and Trump answered, “Yeah, I guess so.”
(...) In September, asked about his Iraq War opposition, Trump said this: “You can check it out, check out — I’ll give you 25 different stories.”

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