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Steely_D

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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 5:45pm

 buddy wrote:

I believe that whatever candidate the GOP wounda-coulda-shoulda put up could have been beaten by Clinton (Cruz? Jeb!  Rubio? Christie? Romney? Great Reagan's Ghost?).  Meanwhile, Obama's approval ratings are at a nearly all-time high among ALL voters, not just Democrats. So, yeah, I think Clinton would have a better than even chance against any GOP candidate, and likely would win.
 
True dat - I was contending that if the GOP had put up a good candidate (Huntsman?) then it might've been easy to rally against Hillary by demonizing her.
But they couldn't come up with anyone that would do it.

I wonder if that's like last time: "Don't put up anyone good against Obama, since he's likely to get a second term and we shouldn't waste the effort." 
They're doing the same now, but it seems like a hostile takeover instead of a real strategy.


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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 5:37pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
To be clear, it's my understanding that this super delegate system was implemented when Ted Kennedy made an upstart run at Jimmy Carter. The Party thought that intra-party strife led to them losing the election, so they wanted more stability, less tension, going into the convention. As bad as Debbie is, we cannot blame her for the superdelegate surprise.
 
hey scott i was being a bit sarcastic

hyman roth and i both agree that debbie is small potatoes


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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 3:55pm

 buddy wrote:

You're being disingenuous to the voters.  Reasonable GOP candidate or not, Clinton would still have been the Democratic nominee.  Consider the damage the GOP has done to itself as a totally obstructionist party for the past 8 years, as well as the party of Dubya for the 8 previous to that.

The GOP and their usual suspects of pundits and "news" outlets can blame Obama for every wrong thing that's ever happened during his administration, but in fact the GOP must own their fare share of blame and then some for being the biggest do-nothing Congress in decades. They can cry from the rooftops about what a "mess" the country is in due to Obama, but the facts about the actual shape of the country tell a different story.  Indeed, Dubya handed over a country in extreme crisis, buried in the biggest economic mess since the Great Depression, and the country has recovered a long way since then. If Obama is going to be severely blamed for anything that goes wrong during his tenure, then he should be resoundingly praised for the things that have gone right, despite being fought the GOP that swore on his first inauguration day to oppose anything and everything he put forth (Google that under Mitch McConnell).   

I believe that whatever candidate the GOP wounda-coulda-shoulda put up could have been beaten by Clinton (Cruz? Jeb!  Rubio? Christie? Romney? Great Reagan's Ghost?).  Meanwhile, Obama's approval ratings are at a nearly all-time high among ALL voters, not just Democrats. So, yeah, I think Clinton would have a better than even chance against any GOP candidate, and likely would win.

If one believes in karma, the GOP is getting bitch-slapped by theirs by the ascendancy of Trump, and have no one to blame but themselves.

 
Excellent - exactly how it appears to me too. "The ends justify the means" seems to be an acceptable philosophy to most.
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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 1:37pm

 miamizsun wrote:
in a brilliant evil genius move the dems running the show executed a textbook play by immediately stacking the super delegates against their threat

 
To be clear, it's my understanding that this super delegate system was implemented when Ted Kennedy made an upstart run at Jimmy Carter. The Party thought that intra-party strife led to them losing the election, so they wanted more stability, less tension, going into the convention. As bad as Debbie is, we cannot blame her for the superdelegate surprise.
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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 11:41am

 buddy wrote:

Wrong.  The GOP has committed hara-kiri, with Trump as the sword.

 
Agree. All the Dems/Greens/Libertarians did was stand still (Clinton/Stein/Johnson are hardly innovative choices) and the GOP became useless to most Americans.
Without a GOP to turn to, the Dems will win handily.

Think: if the GOP could only have gotten their act together and had one reasonable candidate that they agreed to support, who would elect Hillary?

So, whom should we thank for her ascendancy? Republicans. 
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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 11:38am

 Steely_D wrote:
I see it as: the GOP can't get their act together. The party is over and so the Dems can do whatever they want - as chaotic as that is.
To counter that, there would need to be a strong opponent (GOP or Green or Libertarian or whatever) candidate - which the GOP couldn't provide this time around because they have been all dysfunctional.
 
i'm not sure what people thought the "unwinding" of the gop (or the dems) would look like

did folks expect the corruption to roll over and go away quietly?

======================================================

in a brilliant evil genius move the dems running the show executed a textbook play by immediately stacking the super delegates against their threat

sanders was effectively marginalized and then pimped out to recruit support

checkmate

the gop got caught napping with their pants down and lost control to the actual voters

i would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when they realized this

i'm surprised no one was tarred and feathered

i'd bet this woke up a lot of powerful politicians (and their handlers)

if the big ballers/shot callers in the parties don't lock this up properly then they risk having the voters choose a candidate  {#Wink}


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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 10:26am

 bokey wrote:

Can't win.Sorry America.The Libs have gutted you.
 
I see it as: the GOP can't get their act together. The party is over and so the Dems can do whatever they want - as chaotic as that is.
To counter that, there would need to be a strong opponent (GOP or Green or Libertarian or whatever) candidate - which the GOP couldn't provide this time around because they have been all dysfunctional. 


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Posted: Aug 20, 2016 - 6:32pm

Where's the fucking check, Donnie?
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Posted: Aug 20, 2016 - 8:02am

 olivertwist wrote:
The campaign that can't get out of its own way...

Jake Anantha, an 18-year-old from Charlotte, was approached by a member of Trump's security team and then ushered out by police. He was told that he resembled another man who had previously disrupted Trump rallies.

"I told him I've never been to another rally in my life," Anantha said. "I'm a huge Trump supporter. I would never protest against Trump."
Anantha later tweeted that he would be voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson in November.

"I will definitely be voting Johnson on November 8th," he wrote Friday.

Anantha is a registered Republican, according to state voter records, who registered to vote in March. Anantha, who said he's a student at Central Piedmont Community College, was wearing a pro-Trump shirt with another pro-Trump shirt underneath.

"I do think it's because I'm brown," Anantha said, explaining why he believes he was kicked out. He added that he was "totally shocked."...

 




Brutal, well at least we picked up another supporter!
olivertwist

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Posted: Aug 20, 2016 - 7:48am

The campaign that can't get out of its own way...

Jake Anantha, an 18-year-old from Charlotte, was approached by a member of Trump's security team and then ushered out by police. He was told that he resembled another man who had previously disrupted Trump rallies.

"I told him I've never been to another rally in my life," Anantha said. "I'm a huge Trump supporter. I would never protest against Trump."
Anantha later tweeted that he would be voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson in November.

"I will definitely be voting Johnson on November 8th," he wrote Friday.

Anantha is a registered Republican, according to state voter records, who registered to vote in March. Anantha, who said he's a student at Central Piedmont Community College, was wearing a pro-Trump shirt with another pro-Trump shirt underneath.

"I do think it's because I'm brown," Anantha said, explaining why he believes he was kicked out. He added that he was "totally shocked."...


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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 10:12pm

 bokey wrote:

I think the thing here is we can't let Trump win because it would screw the world.

If Hillary wins,it continues the Obama assault on America.

Can't win.Sorry America.The Libs have gutted you.
 

 
I'm jumping into the middle of this conversation between you and Beaker, so I don't know if you believe the above or are just summing up the opinion of others. But the notion that "The Libs have gutted you (America)" ...{#Roflol} 
 

 
Red_Dragon wrote:
Trump gets sillier by the day. Today he showed up in Louisiana and handed out boxes of Play-Doh. Play-Doh.

  
For 49 seconds. I can hear Chris Rock right now: "Play Doh! Ya got people starvin' and cryin' and prayin' their lives get rebuilt within five years and Donald gives 'em 49 seconds of Play Doh!"
 

As for that "apology": this is pretty much the entirety of his recent words reflecting on his past words, right?

“Sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing,” he told a rally in North Carolina on Thursday night. “I have done that. And, believe it or not, I regret it. I do regret it. Particularly where it may have caused personal pain.”

What a pile of horseshit. If he regrets some of his past statements, it's only because they've helped his polling numbers swirl down the toilet bowl. Who is he "apologizing" to, and for what? Trump is turning into a parody of himself, scripted by "The Daily Show" or SNL. You wonder when the GOP leaders will realize that they've hit rock bottom. 
 



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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 6:43pm

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

 Haven't those poor people suffered enough already?

 

 
I know, right?
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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 6:40pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Trump gets sillier by the day. Today he showed up in Louisiana and handed out boxes of Play-Doh. Play-Doh.

 
 Haven't those poor people suffered enough already?

 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 6:30pm

Trump gets sillier by the day. Today he showed up in Louisiana and handed out boxes of Play-Doh. Play-Doh.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 3:35pm

 islander wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

No, it's all part of the plan. Even Trump fan Scott Adams sees it as just the next logical part of the script.
 
Trump's Regrets

 
F*ing sott adams (no, he doesn't get capitalization anymore). This might have been somewhat impressive if he had predicted it a month (or 6) ago, but now it's just him saying "see, told you so". He also said Trump would win in a landslide, and back in july - when there was a quiet week he was saying "see, he's pivoting and won't be controversial anymore, told you so".

He's really only taking each new item as a reason to write a controversial blog post that contains a pitch for his book. He's really just imitating the Donald. I'm not sure why, but he's become beyond insufferable to me.  I hope Hilary wins just so I can register on his blog and gloat. 

 
I know, but I was just pointing to the theory that this is all scripted. 
 
Adams' "predictions" are a lot of crystal ball b.s. but I think the theory is valid inasmuch as Trump's apology was not an apology in any way. 
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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 3:25pm

 islander wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

No, it's all part of the plan. Even Trump fan Scott Adams sees it as just the next logical part of the script.
 
Trump's Regrets

 
F*ing sott adams (no, he doesn't get capitalization anymore). This might have been somewhat impressive if he had predicted it a month (or 6) ago, but now it's just him saying "see, told you so". He also said Trump would win in a landslide, and back in july - when there was a quiet week he was saying "see, he's pivoting and won't be controversial anymore, told you so".

He's really only taking each new item as a reason to write a controversial blog post that contains a pitch for his book. He's really just imitating the Donald. I'm not sure why, but he's become beyond insufferable to me.  I hope Hilary wins just so I can register on his blog and gloat. 

 
He has the best words.
islander

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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 3:16pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

No, it's all part of the plan. Even Trump fan Scott Adams sees it as just the next logical part of the script.
 
Trump's Regrets

 
F*ing sott adams (no, he doesn't get capitalization anymore). This might have been somewhat impressive if he had predicted it a month (or 6) ago, but now it's just him saying "see, told you so". He also said Trump would win in a landslide, and back in july - when there was a quiet week he was saying "see, he's pivoting and won't be controversial anymore, told you so".

He's really only taking each new item as a reason to write a controversial blog post that contains a pitch for his book. He's really just imitating the Donald. I'm not sure why, but he's become beyond insufferable to me.  I hope Hilary wins just so I can register on his blog and gloat. 


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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 2:57pm

 VV wrote:

Trump is regretful... not apologetic. Different shades of grey... perhaps. I will give him this... for him to say he said the wrong thing is a monumental step in his maturation.
 
I have admittedly set the bar very low perhaps. 

 
No, it's all part of the plan. Even Trump fan Scott Adams sees it as just the next logical part of the script.
 
Trump's Regrets
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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 2:51pm

 buddy wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
fwiw ... Trump came out and actually made an apology for his behaviour yesterday.   We all know that he has never apologized for anything and is proud of it. 

The only reason I bring this up is to ask those who doubt his sincerity in running for POTUS, does this change your thoughts on that ?  

No other questions.  No bait.  Just curious 



CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Donald Trump just made one of his biggest changes yet: he expressed regret and admitted wrong doing — though it's unclear exactly for what.

In prepared remarks given Thursday night in battleground North Carolina, Trump explained his past year of controversy-filled remarks as misspeaks in the "heat of debate."

"Sometimes, in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing," Trump said. "I have done that. And believe it or not, I regret it. And I do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues."

He did not, however, ever use the words "apologize" or "sorry."


Trump apologized for nothing.  That he feels regret is not an apology.  I guess you hear what you want to hear. 



 
Trump is regretful... not apologetic. Different shades of grey... perhaps. I will give him this... for him to say he said the wrong thing is a monumental step in his maturation.
 
I have admittedly set the bar very low perhaps. 


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Posted: Aug 19, 2016 - 12:22pm

 kurtster wrote:
I see I need to restate my question.  Is he sincerely in it to win it ?  That's been dogging him since day one and he is still chugging away kicking everyone's ass along the way.  That one question alone has held back so many people from taking him seriously and even considering any kind of support to begin with.  When he announced, Huffpost immediately said that they would only cover him in their entertainment section for example.

I totally agree with everything you say above.  I can't tell if he is sincere about what he really wants to do if he wins.  I get that completely.  Its a crap shoot with anyone on that. Just sticking to the in it to win part is all.  Could be a turning point if he can establish beyond any doubt that he really is trying to win .


yes i think he wants to win

and yes a lot of people predicted his demise and they were wrong

that tells us something

if he does i'm not sure what he can do

both parties (in power) are trying to obstruct him now, just imagine what it will be like if he is in the big chair

in any event it's uphill both ways for this guy

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