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steeler

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 12:26pm

 kurtster wrote:

No, it's not in the class of a gaffe or absurdity.  If it's true, I think that it would be a deal breaker for a lot of Trump supporters or those on the fence.

I'll give you that Trump supporters give him a pass on a lot of things, but to think this would get a pass is pretty demeaning to the actual intelligence of Trump supporters.

And to lump it into the category of a gaffe or absurdity by those who oppose Trump, how could it be shrugged off as meaningless if its true ?  I don't get that either.  This is pretty serious stuff, imo.  

What will be telling is how long it lasts in the news cycle.

2¢ 

 
How do you feel about his statements suggesting that the U.S. might not come to the aid of Baltic nations under NATO in the event of a Russian invasion unless those Baltic nations had met their obligations to the U.S.?

And his very recent comments that Putin would not invade the Ukraine?  


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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 12:12pm

 VV wrote: 
Clothespins for everyone!!

The Clothespin Campaign 
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 12:08pm

 kurtster wrote:

No, it's not in the class of a gaffe or absurdity.  If it's true, I think that it would be a deal breaker for a lot of Trump supporters or those on the fence.

I'll give you that Trump supporters give him a pass on a lot of things, but to think this would get a pass is pretty demeaning to the actual intelligence of Trump supporters.

And to lump it into the category of a gaffe or absurdity by those who oppose Trump, how could it be shrugged off as meaningless if its true ?  I don't get that either.  This is pretty serious stuff, imo.  

What will be telling is how long it lasts in the news cycle.

2¢ 

 
See HERE

Noonan doesn't say it explicitly, but it appears he thinks that even if the anecdote is not true, and Trump is simply a narcissist rather than certifiably unhinged, he is not fit for the POTUS job.
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 12:03pm

 Proclivities wrote:

Even if it's true it's just one of scores of gaffes, absurdities and outright lies that Trump has committed, 

 
No, it's not in the class of a gaffe or absurdity.  If it's true, I think that it would be a deal breaker for a lot of Trump supporters or those on the fence.

I'll give you that Trump supporters give him a pass on a lot of things, but to think this would get a pass is pretty demeaning to the actual intelligence of Trump supporters.

And to lump it into the category of a gaffe or absurdity by those who oppose Trump, how could it be shrugged off as meaningless if its true ?  I don't get that either.  This is pretty serious stuff, imo.  

What will be telling is how long it lasts in the news cycle.

2¢ 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 11:17am

 VV wrote: 
I've stopped trying to follow every outrage, but that article's pretty interesting. 
 
For the record, I think he'll stay in, but would not be surprised at all if he does drop out.
 
In the absence of our Trump shill who quit posting here knock on wood after the primaries were wrapped up, I'll just point out that Dilbert's cartoonist, who has been blogging about Trump for months, still says Trump's going to win in a landslide. With non-politicians still offering up that kind of encouragement, I think he'll stick around.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 11:03am

 Proclivities wrote:

Even if it's true it's just one of scores of gaffes, absurdities and outright lies that Trump has committed, which his followers do not seem to care about.  As to this story; in my observations, anytime a news outlet with an overt agenda (i.e. MSNBC, Fox News) cites "unnamed sources", it's b@llshit about 90% of the time, especially given that this alleged incident took place "several months" ago and Scarborough waited until now to bring it up.  There's no need to go on about what stupid thing Trump "may have" said, he doesn't need any help.  Like this recently televised quote about Putin: "He's not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want..." 

 
Agreed. The problem is that there are so few genuine journalists around these days, particularly on TV. An example is when a talking head asks his guest if he thinks such and such rumor/story is true. Well, how about you or your "news" organization finds out and then tells us?


VV

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 10:41am

 bokey wrote:

You are so much smarter than this.

 
What? You were expecting an emoji instead? OK here ya go: {#Yes}

 
C'mon don't tell me you want the distinction of being the last man on the Titanic?
The ship is sinking before your very eyes. Far smarter people than you or I in the Republican party can see it...

Trumpkins criticize their candidate — on the record



Play the role of martyr if you like. My bet is that Trump is working on concocting a litany of excuses/blame for why he had to quit the race. I think that (while there is still a choice) he would rather be seen as a quitter than a loser. I'm betting there is a 90% or better chance that he'll drop out before the first debate.

I suppose that if he quits you will still support his decision and rationalize his reasons for doing so? Or will you take the tougher road and man-up and say... yeah, the guy wasn't cut out for the job?

steeler

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 10:36am

 bokey wrote:

Dude,the nation HAS been poisoned.It needs to be bled.

Not by Trump though.

 From within.

 
Are you saying that the poisoning has not been done by Trump, or that the needed bleeding will not be done by Trump?    
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 10:23am

 ScottN wrote:

Trump asks why US can't use nukes: MSNBC

Find it on MSNBC too.  Joe Scarborough has, imo, a reputation of high credibility.

 
Even if it's true it's just one of scores of gaffes, absurdities and outright lies that Trump has committed, which his followers do not seem to care about.  As to this story; in my observations, anytime a news outlet with an overt agenda (i.e. MSNBC, Fox News) cites "unnamed sources", it's b@llshit about 90% of the time, especially given that this alleged incident took place "several months" ago and Scarborough waited until now to bring it up.  There's no need to go on about what stupid thing Trump "may have" said, he doesn't need any help.  Like this recently televised quote about Putin: "He's not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want..." 
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 10:21am

 kurtster wrote:
kcar wrote:
 
During a briefing on foreign policy, he actually asked three times why we don't use the nuclear weapons we have.

  
That's a pretty bold statement.  

I'd like to see proof.

So far, I find nothing to back up your claim. 

Snopes 

 
:bump:   for those who do not backscroll 


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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 10:04am

Trump asks why US can't use nukes: MSNBC

Find it on MSNBC too.  Joe Scarborough has, imo, a reputation of high credibility.


olivertwist

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 9:22am

 aflanigan wrote:

Movie sequel idea: Three Babies, no men.

 
{#Drummer}
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 9:04am

 olivertwist wrote:

 
Movie sequel idea: Three Babies, no men.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:31am

Democratic awakening.

The madness.What have you done?




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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:28am

 VV wrote:

Double Bingo!!

 
You are so much smarter than this.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:28am

 meower wrote:

actually we're pretty sure she woke up and said "wtf happened to my uterus"

 
#1 Least Expected Post in "Trump" thread.
 
Or is it? 
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:20am

 oldviolin wrote:

I find your posts thought provoking and I appreciate your point of view. Please understand that I am in no sense throwing in the towel. I am, however, staunchly apolitical as I have my heart vested in many directions humanly speaking. I'm better off marginally outside the arguments and navel gazing that often substitutes for informed opinion in the fields and streams of politically oriented conversation. I count listening as far superior to talking in most cases, and serving as an honorable progression in the wake of overwhelming frustration.

Partisanship IMO is a death sentence in this the information age where a lie is as good as the truth to a resonant ear. It seems that, as in an impressionistic painting, the noise is inseparable from the subject when one stands too close to appreciate the line, color, and aesthetic. One must step back and observe from a distance when fair observation comes into conflict with appreciable perspective. Therein lies the wisdom to marry context with perception.

Thank you for caring.

 
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VV

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:01am

 steeler wrote:

"The nation, however, is not immune to the lasting damage that is being done to it by Trump's success in normalizing post-factual politics. It is being poisoned by the injection into its bloodstream of the cynicism required of those Republicans who persist in pretending that although Trump lies constantly and knows nothing, these blemishes do not disqualify him from being president."
— George Will, noted "liberal" member of the "mainstream media," in today's Washington Post.

Hit that nail squarely on its head.



 
Double Bingo!!
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 7:47am

 kcar wrote:


I know I have not always been the gentlest of posters and I apologize to fellow RPers if I have upset you in this thread. At the end of the day, we are all people trying to make sense of the world and wanting the best for ourselves, our family and neighbors. Most of us are Americans, a fact which despite some great differences in political opinion invokes a spirit of solidarity in me, especially since 9/11. 

 
I find your posts thought provoking and I appreciate your point of view. Please understand that I am in no sense throwing in the towel. I am, however, staunchly apolitical as I have my heart vested in many directions humanly speaking. I'm better off marginally outside the arguments and navel gazing that often substitutes for informed opinion in the fields and streams of politically oriented conversation. I count listening as far superior to talking in most cases, and serving as an honorable progression in the wake of overwhelming frustration.

Partisanship IMO is a death sentence in this the information age where a lie is as good as the truth to a resonant ear. It seems that, as in an impressionistic painting, the noise is inseparable from the subject when one stands too close to appreciate the line, color, and aesthetic. One must step back and observe from a distance when fair observation comes into conflict with appreciable perspective. Therein lies the wisdom to marry context with perception.

Thank you for caring.


kurtster

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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 7:38am

 kcar wrote:
 
During a briefing on foreign policy, he actually asked three times why we don't use the nuclear weapons we have.

 
That's a pretty bold statement.  

I'd like to see proof.

So far, I find nothing to back up your claim. 

Snopes 
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