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Posted: Feb 12, 2011 - 4:38pm

 kurtster wrote:


With all due respect, do you actually read through the stuff you post and link to ?

I just read everything you linked to and it does not name names.  The Former Fox Employee is first a former employee then a current employee, anonymous all the while.  No dates, no specifics, just unsupported allegations presented as 100% fact.  References to emails, but no citing of the actual emails.

The following statement from a cited link to the original link states :

Furthermore, a study published in early Demember 2010 found that people who had the most exposure to Fox News were more likely to believe falsehoods and rumors about national and world affairs when compared to those who paid attention to other news outlets.

The bold highlighted above links to this story

Extended exposure to Fox News makes voters stupid, university study finds


The story above links to the University of Maryland Study that is claimed to support the above statement.  In fact this survey has little to do with the University of Maryland, the survey was conducted by World Public Opinion.Org., an arm of a group of supporters that includes among others, The Tides Foundation, a distinctly left wing progressive outfit that is cut from the same cloth as ACORN and other like mided groups.  Hardly an unbiased grouping.

I read the entire survey and found it unsound in its counting of numbers in its opening questions, and upon further reading, nowhere does it even question Fox viewers on any specific questions.  I wish for you to read the survey yourself and tell me how anyone can make any conclusions about the beliefs and viewing habits of those who watch Fox News or the other outlets mentioned including PBS, CNN and MSNBC.

The story you posted above is patently made up and contains no factual content supporting anything claimed by you or the authors you cite.

Yet you present this as 100% fact.  Perhaps you can shed some light on where I missed the facts you say are there ?
  Some people use their pate, others use their paste.


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Posted: Feb 12, 2011 - 3:27pm

 RichardPrins wrote: 

With all due respect, do you actually read through the stuff you post and link to ?

I just read everything you linked to and it does not name names.  The Former Fox Employee is first a former employee then a current employee, anonymous all the while.  No dates, no specifics, just unsupported allegations presented as 100% fact.  References to emails, but no citing of the actual emails.

The following statement from a cited link to the original link states :

Furthermore, a study published in early Demember 2010 found that people who had the most exposure to Fox News were more likely to believe falsehoods and rumors about national and world affairs when compared to those who paid attention to other news outlets.

The bold highlighted above links to this story

Extended exposure to Fox News makes voters stupid, university study finds


The story above links to the University of Maryland Study that is claimed to support the above statement.  In fact this survey has little to do with the University of Maryland, the survey was conducted by World Public Opinion.Org., an arm of a group of supporters that includes among others, The Tides Foundation, a distinctly left wing progressive outfit that is cut from the same cloth as ACORN and other like mided groups.  Hardly an unbiased grouping.

I read the entire survey and found it unsound in its counting of numbers in its opening questions, and upon further reading, nowhere does it even question Fox viewers on any specific questions.  I wish for you to read the survey yourself and tell me how anyone can make any conclusions about the beliefs and viewing habits of those who watch Fox News or the other outlets mentioned including PBS, CNN and MSNBC.

The story you posted above is patently made up and contains no factual content supporting anything claimed by you or the authors you cite.

Yet you present this as 100% fact.  Perhaps you can shed some light on where I missed the facts you say are there ?

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Posted: Feb 12, 2011 - 12:36pm

Former Fox News employee: ‘Stuff is just made up’
A former employee of Fox News called the company a "propaganda outfit" that is determined to undermine the Obama administration and Democrats.

"I don't think people would believe it’s as concocted as it is; that stuff is just made up," the employee, whose name was kept anonymous, told the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters.

"They say one thing and do another," the former employee said. "They insist on maintaining this charade, this façade, that they’re balanced or that they’re not right-wing extreme propagandist."

"You have to work there for a while to understand the nods and the winks," the former employee added. "And God help you if you don’t because sooner or later you’re going to get burned."

The former employee's comments did not come as a surprise to many critics of Fox News, who have long suggested the channel is biased in favor of conservatives. The 2004 documentary film "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism" criticized the channel and its owner, Rupert Murdoch, for skewing its reporting of events to promote conservative viewpoints.

"Like any news channel there’s lot of room for non-news content," the former employee continued. "The content that wasn't 'news,' they didn't care what we did with as long as it was amusing or quirky or entertaining; as along as it brought in eyeballs. But anything - anything - that was a news story you had to understand what the spin should be on it."

"If it was a big enough story it was explained to you in the morning meeting. If it wasn’t explained, it was up to you to know the conservative take on it. There’s a conservative take on every story no matter what it is. So you either get told what it is or you better intuitively know what it is."

Internal emails obtained by Media Matters also showed that a seemingly spontaneous response concerning the Obama campaign canceling an appearance on a local news station to have been scripted by Fox News' producers,

In another e-mail obtained by the media watchdog, Fox News Washington Managing Editor Bill Sammon told his staff to downplay the importance of climate science that showed the globe's average temperature getting warmer.

Additional emails showed that Sammon asked his news department to refer to the public option as the "government run option" because polls showed the phrase "government option" was opposed by the public.

Perhaps not coincidentally, a poll gauging public trust in TV news found that PBS was the most trusted name in news, while trust in Fox News dropped significantly over the last year.

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Posted: Jan 16, 2011 - 9:38am



'Jewish group tells Fox to fire Glenn Beck'

Jewish Funds for Justice urges that the popular political pundit be fired over a series of 'disturbing' remarks, including attack on left-wing Jewish billionaire George Soros.

A U.S. Jewish group has called on Fox News to fire its popular political commentator Glenn Beck, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported on Sunday.

Jewish Funds for Justice called to fire the controversial pundit over a series of what they call 'disturbing' remarks, including an attack on left-wing Jewish billionaire George Soros.

Late last year, Beck dubbed Soros a "puppet master" attempting to take over U.S. media, and damned him as a "Jewish boy helping to send the Jews to the death camps."

In a show aired late last year, Beck called Soros - a Jewish-Hungarian Holocaust survivor - a Nazi collaborator, for admittedly aiding the emptying out of Jewish homes during WWII.

 (...)


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Posted: Jan 11, 2011 - 8:35am

 dmax wrote:

"I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that."

How does objective news have a "side"?
 
Bourgeois objectivity!!  Bourgeois objectivity!!  Nyaaahh!! 

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Posted: Jan 10, 2011 - 2:09pm

 dmax wrote:

"I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that."

How does objective news have a "side"?
 
you weren't supposed to notice that.
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Posted: Jan 10, 2011 - 2:06pm

 hippiechick wrote: 
"I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that."

How does objective news have a "side"?

hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 10, 2011 - 2:02pm

Fox News CEO Roger Ailes: Fox And 'The Other Side' Need To Tone Down Rhetoric


hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 10, 2011 - 8:37am

Fox News Warns That Without Angry Rhetoric It Will Have 24 Hours to Fill

Would Create ‘Giant Hole’ in Program Schedule

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – Calls for a reduction in violent political rhetoric have plunged the Fox News Channel into chaos, with a Fox spokesperson warning today that such a move “would leave us with 24 hours to fill.” “

Let’s not underestimate the giant hole this would create,” said spokesperson Carol Foyler.  “Fox without violent rhetoric would be like The Weather Channel without maps.” Ms. Foyler said

Fox was preparing for a “worst-case scenario” in which it was pressured to air responsible statements in place of its current programming: “If it comes to that, God forbid, we’ll just air 24 hours of ‘24’.”

In contrast with Ms. Foyler’s alarmed comments, Fox host Glenn Beck took the news of a possible programming change in stride: “If I’m kicked off the air, I’ll return to my first love: standing in the back of crowded theaters and yelling, ‘Fire.’”

But Fox commentator Sarah Palin was less enthusiastic about the new call for tempered rhetoric: “For the first time in my life I don’t have anything to write on my hand.”

In other cable news developments, CNN confirmed that it was considering dropping Kathleen Parker from its “Parker Spitzer” program, but said it had balked at Elliot Spitzer’s suggestion of “a different woman every night.”

nuggler

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Posted: Jan 5, 2011 - 4:49am


Citing Facebook Posts, Fox News Turns in Indiana Grandmother for ‘Terror Link’

Fox Insists Woman Made 'Anti-American Comments' in Emails

by Jason Ditz, December 28, 2010

Apparently no longer content to simply shill for a growing police state, Fox News decided to take what passes for the law these days into its own hands today, turning in a 46 year-old grandmother from Indianapolis, Indiana for having a “possible terrorist link.”

The entire case against the woman, one Kathie Smith, appears to have been based around data culled off of her Facebook page and the content of emails they exchanged with her. The Department of Homeland Security in Indiana confirmed that their first information about Mrs. Smith was when Fox News sent them a video in which she allegedly makes “anti-American comments.”

The case against Mrs. Smith is virtually entirely circumstantial, and is available, in all its grim details, on Fox News’ website. The report cites photographs of suspects in a German terror plot appearing in their home. Smith notes that her husband, a German Muslim, grew up with the men in question.

Indeed, Fox expresses outraged that Mrs. Smith flew “as recently as two weeks ago,” to Germany with her husband and demanded to know she was not on the “no-fly list” on the basis of her conversion to Islam and her criticism of US foreign policy.

Despite being an effort to portray Mrs. Smith as a thoroughly unseemly character, the article itself delves into serious kookiness later on, as the author complains that Mrs. Smith refused to “friend” her on Facebook and was discovered to have clicked “Like” on a profile for Anwar al-Awlaki, a US born cleric tapped for assassination by President Obama.

The “case” against Mrs. Smith however is not really the relevant factor here, so much as the fact that Fox News took it upon themselves to build a case against some random convert in Indianapolis and then “turned her in” to the feds.

The indications are that the feds were thoroughly unimpressed with the case against her, adding the video to some state-wide database called the “Indiana Intelligence Fusion Center” but apparently doing little else.

The effort against Smith closes with a chilling comment from the grandmother, who notes “I am exercising my right, as an American citizen to freedom of speech, religion, and the right to bare arms. I have the right in America to say what ever I want. That is what makes America so great, right?” The report then immediately segues into a comment from an unnamed “consultant” claiming that Smith’s comments are “classic signs of extremism.”


musik_knut

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:33pm

 hippiechick wrote:

And, besides, that's not true anymore, women "of a certain age" have become acceptable.

And I still think she's a blond bimbo!  {#Lol}

 

Somewhat true. But more women are jettisoned as talking heads than are men when based on 'aging'.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:30pm

 hippiechick wrote:

And, besides, that's not true anymore, women "of a certain age" have become acceptable.

And I still think she's a blond bimbo!  {#Lol}
 
I still think Bush is a closet gay.
hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:29pm

 kopak wrote:
ICK

 
And, besides, that's not true anymore, women "of a certain age" have become acceptable.

And I still think she's a blond bimbo!  {#Lol}
kopak

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:26pm

ICK
musik_knut

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:26pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I'm just playing with you most of the time, MK, don't you know that?
 

Yea...but I would hate to admit to it {#Hug}
hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:24pm

 musik_knut wrote:


You're entitled to your opinion but it does not help you. And we all know that as unfair as it is, female talking heads or reporters are tossed aside once they lose a certain appeal while males can age before our eyes. I only pointed out her education in order to stress that she's not just a dumb ass blonde bimbo.

 
I'm just playing with you most of the time, MK, don't you know that?

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:19pm

 hippiechick wrote:

It's not if you like drunk blond sorority chicks {#Wink}
 
I like me some 50 foot naked drunk ladies. And a sack of tacos. And some pie. And that's all.  
musik_knut

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:19pm

 hippiechick wrote:

That's my opinion of her. She dresses in tight clothes, and she laughs at the news like a drunk sorority girl. I don't give a rat's ass how educated she is.
 

You're entitled to your opinion but it does not help you. And we all know that as unfair as it is, female talking heads or reporters are tossed aside once they lose a certain appeal while males can age before our eyes. I only pointed out her education in order to stress that she's not just a dumb ass blonde bimbo.
hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:17pm

 cc_rider wrote:

You say that like it's a bad thing...
 
It's not if you like drunk blond sorority chicks {#Wink}
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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 12:15pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Making it personal, as you do, lessens your observation. You flat out don't like FOX. Fine. But you would better serve yourself by avoiding personal comments like this. If the 'blond chick' be a Con, don't listen if you think she will upset you. Calling her a Con, if that is what she is, is fine. Stating she looks like a drunk soroity gal crosses lines. I detest, for many reasons, the hard Left wing talking points Mr. Olbermann always hews to. Stating I think he's a pathetic gay man would be crossing the line when discussing his on air demeanor or philosophical bend.
 Btw, the 'blond chick' is a lawyer and that means some level of education and achievement and I am not a champion of lawyers.

 
That's my opinion of her. She dresses in tight clothes, and she laughs at the news like a drunk sorority girl. I don't give a rat's ass how educated she is.

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