kurtster wrote: 

The U.S. Navy is preparing plans to construct sprawling detention centers for tens of thousands of immigrants on remote bases in California, Alabama and Arizona, escalating the military’s task in implementing President Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy for people caught crossing the Southern border, according to a copy of a draft memo obtained by TIME. (...)

 

Trump on Wednesday ordered the Pentagon to work with the Department of Homeland Security to house the tens of thousands of immigrants currently being held awaiting criminal proceedings for crossing the U.S.-Mexican border illegally. Under the administration’s so-called “zero-tolerance” immigration policy, current facilities are at their breaking point and the immigration courts face deep backlogs. At the same time, children who previously had been separated from their parents are now going to be held with the adults, further straining the system. (...)

 

The planning document estimates that the Navy would spend about $233 million to construct and operate a facility for 25,000 people for a six-month time period. The proposal suggests these tent cities be built to last between six months and one year.

 BlueHeronDruid wrote: 

 westslope wrote: 
That must come as a bit of a surprise to its citizens. I think maybe you and I use somewhat different dictionaries/definitions.

 R_P wrote: 
Well, I will let you on a little secret.  The Nordic social democracies have outperformed everybody else precisely because they do freemarket capitalism so well.  Precisely because they do well defined, secure economic property rights, collective and individual, so well, just as Chicago economists and similar have argued for decades. 

Contrary to the USA and Israel, ethnic, sectarian and racial criteria are not used as grounds for exceptions to this notion of secure economic property rights for all.

Comrade R_P, the USA is a socialist country, it is just your priorities are a bit different.     US$20 billion for agricultural subsidies presumably because obesity is a public policy goal or flooding poor, developing economies with highly subsidized food is being "generous".  

The USA is the main backer of the Israeli nuclear weapons backed affirmative action ethnic cleansing program, despite the obvious blowback and the obvious discrimination.  Looks, smells and feels like 'socialism' to me.

You also have public medical care (no matter how costly and ineffective), food stamps (bad idea in my opinion) and lots of other entitlement programs.  The USA is a social democracy albeit an ineffective, inefficient, costly and ideology-bound social democracy.

 westslope wrote: 

 R_P wrote: 
Have you actually read the wiki-page you linked to?
 
So do quote unquote critics of "neo-liberalism" offer as an alternative?    
Let me see, you agree with taking fish and other resources from First Nations but oppose quota fisheries because you would rather see the fisheries lose money, destroy social wealth? 

Of course, you do not take responsibility for outcomes in the USA.   It is "them's" fault.  

 westslope wrote: 

 westslope wrote:

R_P,

Look, I have searched far and wide for a rigorous definition of Neo-Liberalism and have yet to find one.  Folks refer to school vouchers as a 'neo-liberal' reform but otherwise I have come up empty.

Neo-Liberalism should be defined in a way that distinguishes the system from ordinary 'freemarket capitalism' or Classical Liberalism of yesteryear.  

I would be tempted to refer to cap and trade emissions systems and tradeable quota fisheries as neo-liberal because market-like institutions are created to solve specific resource allocation problems but nobody refers to those new institutions as neo-liberal.   


BTW, thanks for all the gratuitous insults.  I guess a lot of self-styled progressives and lefties are not much more evolved than the typical Trumpette supporter.  

My guess is that you do not have a clue as to why the socio-economic outcomes of the Nordic social democracies are so good.  That means that you and those like you are incapable of bringing such outcomes to the USA.  

En la lucha, che

 westslope wrote: 

 R_P wrote: 
R_P,   You will have to explain to me sometime what "neo-liberalism" is.     Something more meaningful than the fact that those who use that phrase oppose democratic freemarket capitalism.  

Now R_P I get it.  You do have a lot in common with President Trumpette.  Why bother with 'evidence' when you KNOW what is right?  Must be comforting.
Let me guess, you admire the Neo-Marxist populist regimes with their authoritarian tendencies?      Every last single one of them has been a disaster but maybe you see hope?

I am not arguing for "population control" but was simply offering an explanation as to why Central America is such a bloody, dysfunctional mess.  Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

That said, demographic rates do behave like environmental pollution outcomes as the environmental Kuznets curve suggests.  As per capita income increases, demographic growth rates go up and then they eventually go down.    

But I get you.  You reckon you can save the 3rd world with better subsistence agriculture and barter regimes.  Evidence please?   Or perhaps you reckon that 1st world welfare is what will help poor countries?  Evidence please? 

Or maybe you just want your grandchildren to have an "authentic poor country experience" at some point in the future.  That would explain why you support high demographic growth rates and stagnant economies.  

Or maybe you support failed states and stagnant economies so that you can generously receive more and more refugees and get that 'feel good' thing happenin' over and over again?  

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

 aflanigan wrote:

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
THAT JOKE I TOLD:

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Well, unless you're an Inuit.

 aflanigan wrote: 
Well, in the sense of "ethnic origin," anyway.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
So . . . .

It's a state of mind? A brief interlude? Indigestion?

 katzendogs wrote: 
That's not really a nationality, y'know. Some of Justine's ancestors landed in Ontario before settling in North Dakota; I guess that was another Ellis Island.

Holy crap! Doing some new family research I find most of the katzendogs are immigrants from... Canada! Haysoos crisco take home!