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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 8:58am

 rgio wrote:

Kurt... congratulations on your promotion to Senior Troll in MAGA.  No facts, no discussion... just deflection, anger, racism, and negativity.


C'mon now. That's how he rolls.

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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 6:00am

One more before I go.

 
rgio wrote:

Kurt... congratulations on your promotion to Senior Troll in MAGA.  No facts, no discussion... just deflection, anger, racism, and negativity.
 
Name calling and personal insults.  That is what you people do when you run out of real answers to challenges posed against your positions.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:55am

 steeler wrote:

You have conceded that you do defend here — or are silent about — everything Trump does or says. A first step to recovery.
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I have criticized Biden on actions/policies. For example, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and  the incremental approach in providing weaponry to Ukraine in its fight to defeat the Russian invasion.



Good luck with getting him to say anything about Trump's reverence for Putin and Russia.  Crickets.  

It's pointless.  Gonna be a long year.  Any doubt...just go try to generate a white guy using AI (file under WTF?)
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:49am

I'm off to work.  See you all on the flip.

Can't wait to see all the accusations pile up while I'm gone.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:40am

 kurtster wrote:

And you do likewise with Biden.

You have conceded that you do defend here — or are silent about — everything Trump does or says. A first step to recovery.
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I have criticized Biden on actions/policies. For example, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and  the incremental approach in providing weaponry to Ukraine in its fight to defeat the Russian invasion.


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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:29am

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It has been well documented that 8 million have crossed the border since Biden took office.

Trust Google ?  You got to be kidding.  They've been busted over their AI depictions of people.  They cannot generate an image of a white person if someone put a gun to their head.

AI George Washington is black ?

Kurt... congratulations on your promotion to Senior Troll in MAGA.  No facts, no discussion... just deflection, anger, racism, and negativity.

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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:24am

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 kurtster wrote:

We already have laws, not being enforced that would address these issues and Biden can with the stroke of a pen, close the border right now without any new changes.  He chooses not to and chose not to when he reversed all of the policies in place that were working much better than anything previously on day one of his taking office when he reversed all of them. Tell me what the real difference is between 5k per day and an open border.  1.8 million per year sounds like an invasion across a wide open border to me, but not you. And tell me how adding the 8 million new dependents on government resources over the past 3 years to our economy is a benefit and not a hardship that takes away from the needs of  citizens.
If we already have laws... why did Republicans help draft recent legislation? The real difference...using your numbers above...2.6 million people.  (1.8 X 3 = 5.4 vs 8).   32.5% Over the past 3 years....had Trump put in place the legislation Biden just wanted, we would be spending 1/3rd less supporting immigrants and have that amount for the needs of our citizens.  Your "big plan" is to put the guy in who did nothing, and stopped a 1/3rd reduction in immigration...because next time he's gonna fix it.  At least he's not saying Mexico will pay for it this time. As for the benefits to the economy...ask Google.  It's documented in study after study.
 
It has been well documented that 8 million have crossed the border since Biden took office.

Trust Google ?  You got to be kidding.  They've been busted over their AI depictions of people.  They cannot generate an image of a white person if someone put a gun to their head.

AI George Washington is black ?
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:19am

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Calling BS on this. You defend here — or remain silent about it — pretty much everything Trump does or says.
 
And you do likewise with Biden.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:15am

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Which is why I have hooked up with Trump and his incarnation of the repub party.  My primary concerns are border security and recognition of the difference between legal and illegal immigration along with being against the sexual mutilation of children.  Only people who will recognize or even address those issues as valid.  In order to get that I have to put up with the other stuff that comes with it.

Calling BS on this. You defend here — or remain silent about it — pretty much everything Trump does or says.

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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 5:14am

 kurtster wrote:

We already have laws, not being enforced that would address these issues and Biden can with the stroke of a pen, close the border right now without any new changes.  He chooses not to and chose not to when he reversed all of the policies in place that were working much better than anything previously on day one of his taking office when he reversed all of them.

Tell me what the real difference is between 5k per day and an open border.  1.8 million per year sounds like an invasion across a wide open border to me, but not you.

And tell me how adding the 8 million new dependents on government resources over the past 3 years to our economy is a benefit and not a hardship that takes away from the needs of  citizens.


If we already have laws... why did Republicans help draft recent legislation?

The real difference...using your numbers above...2.6 million people.  (1.8 X 3 = 5.4 vs 8).   32.5%

Over the past 3 years....had Trump put in place the legislation Biden just wanted, we would be spending 1/3rd less supporting immigrants and have that amount for the needs of our citizens.  Your "big plan" is to put the guy in who did nothing, and stopped a 1/3rd reduction in immigration...because next time he's gonna fix it.  At least he's not saying Mexico will pay for it this time.

As for the benefits to the economy...ask Google.  It's documented in study after study.


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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 4:51am

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Ok Kurt.  Pivot away from reality, theorize about what people will or won't do, and throw out a few red herrings to rally the base.  So you support no policy instead of a compromised one?  Zero per day isn't a reality and would have devastating financial impacts on our economy... but why worry about details?  Zero is a foolish argument.   Let's keep it simple.... Which is better:  open border or 5k per day?  Your guy just voted for open.
 
We already have laws, not being enforced that would address these issues and Biden can with the stroke of a pen, close the border right now without any new changes.  He chooses not to and chose not to when he reversed all of the policies in place that were working much better than anything previously on day one of his taking office when he reversed all of them.

Tell me what the real difference is between 5k per day and an open border.  1.8 million per year sounds like an invasion across a wide open border to me, but not you.

And tell me how adding the 8 million new dependents on government resources over the past 3 years to our economy is a benefit and not a hardship that takes away from the needs of  citizens.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 4:43am

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Incremental improvement ?  You mean going backwards ?  If we can put an arbitrary limit of 5k per day why cannot we do zero per day ?  A limit is a limit.  Why codify a bad policy ?

That and ain't no democrat going to enforce another law that they disagree with anyway. To think that they will is unbelievable.  It is all posing.

Democrats, the home of Sanctuary Cities, a wide open border, defund the police and child mutilation.  You support all of that evidently.  

Ok Kurt.  Pivot away from reality, theorize about what people will or won't do, and throw out a few red herrings to rally the base. 

So you support no policy instead of a compromised one?  Zero per day isn't a reality and would have devastating financial impacts on our economy... but why worry about details?  Zero is a foolish argument.  

Let's keep it simple.... Which is better:  open border or 5k per day?  Your guy just voted for open.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 4:16am

 rgio wrote:

If you were truly concerned about the border, you would support the legislation on the table... take the incremental improvement... and stay focused on doing more. Not agreeing to that is an admission that all you care about is your leader.
 
Incremental improvement ?  You mean going backwards ?  If we can put an arbitrary limit of 5k per day why cannot we do zero per day ?  A limit is a limit.  Why codify a bad policy ?

That and ain't no democrat going to enforce another law that they disagree with anyway. To think that they will is unbelievable.  It is all posing.

Democrats, the home of Sanctuary Cities, a wide open border, defund the police and child mutilation.  You support all of that evidently.  
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 4:09am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Which is why I have hooked up with Trump and his incarnation of the repub party.  My primary concerns are border security and recognition of the difference between legal and illegal immigration along with being against the sexual mutilation of children.  Only people who will recognize or even address those issues as valid.  In order to get that I have to put up with the other stuff that comes with it.

Kurtster, this is what I find really surprising about you. We are facing a million pressing issues for the future of this planet and that of our children and these two issues are all you hitch your wagon to?
I can only conclude that you don't really have anything to worry about.
 
No different from those whose sole concern is unrestricted abortion hitching up with the dems over here.

And what about the children you say.  Well the democrat party doesn't give a rat's ass about children.  They close schools to in order to give illegals a place to stay.  They teach children to lie to their parents and not trust them.

Pressing issues ?  I'm more worried about paying bills and getting food right now than climate change.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 3:47am

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Which is why I have hooked up with Trump and his incarnation of the repub party.  My primary concerns are border security and recognition of the difference between legal and illegal immigration along with being against the sexual mutilation of children.  Only people who will recognize or even address those issues as valid.  In order to get that I have to put up with the other stuff that comes with it.

So to advance your primary concern, you support the guy who convinced Republicans to abandon the border deal they negotiated?  You're going to recite all of the things it didn't include (zero immigration, shooting of criminals, etc.), and somehow suggest that the guy who did none of that when he was President has developed a plan to fix it next time.  It'll be amazing!

If you were truly concerned about the border, you would support the legislation on the table... take the incremental improvement... and stay focused on doing more.

Not agreeing to that is an admission that all you care about is your leader.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 3:45am

 kurtster wrote:

Which is why I have hooked up with Trump and his incarnation of the repub party.  My primary concerns are border security and recognition of the difference between legal and illegal immigration along with being against the sexual mutilation of children.  Only people who will recognize or even address those issues as valid.  In order to get that I have to put up with the other stuff that comes with it.

Kurtster, this is what I find really surprising about you. We are facing a million pressing issues for the future of this planet and that of our children and these two issues are all you hitch your wagon to?
I can only conclude that you don't really have anything to worry about.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 3:17am

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  you have to try and find a political home where you're welcome. 
 
Which is why I have hooked up with Trump and his incarnation of the repub party.  My primary concerns are border security and recognition of the difference between legal and illegal immigration along with being against the sexual mutilation of children.  Only people who will recognize or even address those issues as valid.  In order to get that I have to put up with the other stuff that comes with it.
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Posted: Feb 29, 2024 - 2:24am

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Curious what he said and how do you know since you obviously did not watch his CPAC speech or you never would have posted your little ditty on Trump not knowing his wife's name.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2024 - 9:42pm

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But the response to that is to take votes away from Biden in a presidential election when the result could be a Trump presidency?... What kind of strategy for positive change is that? Who came up with that bright idea?
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Interesting seeing two different takes on the topic below: 1) it has legs and 2) the amount of undecided vote change is insignificant.

Parties lose elections sometimes. If that's the only power you have (and if losing elections is the only thing those on power fear) then you can use that leverage to affect change.

Not in this election but in the next. And if Palestine is your main concern what difference does it make if it's Trump or Biden is pandering to the "Israel can do no wrong" crowd? Hold your party hostage to your issue and they either come around (or at least pretend to) or they cut you loose and you have to try and find a political home where you're welcome. They were co-opted into this coalition and they may have to renegotiate the terms of their involvement again.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2024 - 8:37pm

Apparently, 66% of eligible voters voted in 2020. 46% in 2022.
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