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black321

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Posted: Apr 9, 2021 - 12:04pm



 steeler wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

Sometimes you post things that lead me to believe you don't get out much. But then on further reflection, sure, most of the people who I'd classify as anti-immigration are really for immigration in a very narrow set of circumstances. International model/escort seems to be okay with even the most strict rules in place. Wealthy and not likely to be a drain on resources tends to get an all access pass, even if they're here to plunder; they're plundering legally. But most of the people who claim to be for legal immigration add a stipulation that they need to "get in line" or do it the way their ancestors did—there is no line and Ellis Island is a museum now. So no, they're not for immigration despite their protestations otherwise.
 

Case in point: refugee admissions decreased exponentially during the Trump years. The hidden (hiding in plain sight) agenda.
 

well that was trump's goal, right?
what is the goal of this admin? 
biden seems to be caught between still restricting immigration, while pandering to his base with empty comments about more humane immigration, which is only hurting migrants, and this country.
clearly the messaging has been f'd up, making a bad situation much worse.
can either party make a concerted effort to fix the border issue, without making pandering to votes the priority?
why not make it relatively frictionless, agree to whatever # of quotas, with harsh penalties for migrants who dont play by the rules, and put it to bed.
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Posted: Apr 8, 2021 - 1:07pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 
"Come on man!"


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Posted: Apr 8, 2021 - 9:14am

i haven't perused this yet, but a friend said i should have a look
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Posted: Apr 2, 2021 - 12:19pm

US Border: Risking everything for an American dream

US Border: Risking everything for an American dream

After a decline during first year of pandemic, thousands of migrants from Central America are again on the move trying to reach the United States - many of them families or unaccompanied minors.

Joe Biden’s government has already asked for support from its emergency management agency to help handle a spike in the number of unaccompanied children arriving at the border with Mexico, as the influx of children is straining the system.

The BBC followed some of these migrants on this dangerous journey.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/wo...
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Posted: Apr 1, 2021 - 4:58am

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Posted: Apr 1, 2021 - 3:54am

I am actually encouraged by these students responses.  If this were just on the street it would be one thing, but on a college campus.  This is indeed encouraging that basic common sense does permeate to these students even being bombarded with leftist indoctrination constantly:
 
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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 2:18pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

Sometimes you post things that lead me to believe you don't get out much. But then on further reflection, sure, most of the people who I'd classify as anti-immigration are really for immigration in a very narrow set of circumstances. International model/escort seems to be okay with even the most strict rules in place. Wealthy and not likely to be a drain on resources tends to get an all access pass, even if they're here to plunder; they're plundering legally. But most of the people who claim to be for legal immigration add a stipulation that they need to "get in line" or do it the way their ancestors did—there is no line and Ellis Island is a museum now. So no, they're not for immigration despite their protestations otherwise.
 

Case in point: refugee admissions decreased exponentially during the Trump years. The hidden (hiding in plain sight) agenda.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 1:43pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

Sometimes you post things that lead me to believe you don't get out much.
But then on further reflection, sure, most of the people who I'd classify as anti-immigration are really for immigration in a very narrow set of circumstances. International model/escort seems to be okay with even the most strict rules in place. Wealthy and not likely to be a drain on resources tends to get an all access pass, even if they're here to plunder; they're plundering legally. But most of the people who claim to be for legal immigration add a stipulation that they need to "get in line" or do it the way their ancestors did—there is no line and Ellis Island is a museum now. So no, they're not for immigration despite their protestations otherwise.
 
tbf, in his own words, sdr doesn't get out much

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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 12:37pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

Sometimes you post things that lead me to believe you don't get out much. But then on further reflection, sure, most of the people who I'd classify as anti-immigration are really for immigration in a very narrow set of circumstances. International model/escort seems to be okay with even the most strict rules in place. Wealthy and not likely to be a drain on resources tends to get an all access pass, even if they're here to plunder; they're plundering legally. But most of the people who claim to be for legal immigration add a stipulation that they need to "get in line" or do it the way their ancestors did—there is no line and Ellis Island is a museum now. So no, they're not for immigration despite their protestations otherwise.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 10:59am

May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'DEAR WHITE PEOPLE IT TAKES A LOT OF WHITE PRIVILEGE BALLS TO STAND ON THIS STOLEN AND OCCUPIED CONTINENT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IMMIGRATION.'
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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 7:59pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
haresfur wrote:
trump was only against illegal immigration. He just made most immigration illegal.

Trump was probably the worst president on immigration since Woodrow Wilson, but he couldn't make laws. Congress—for the last 30 years, anyway—deserves the blame for that.

And most recent presidents have, frankly, kinda sucked.
 
No but he can sign executive orders. He used the most extreme interpretation of laws, along with actions that declared things illegal that were not in his execution of the office.

Or do you believe everything is always black and white?

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 6:49pm

haresfur wrote:
trump was only against illegal immigration. He just made most immigration illegal.

Trump was probably the worst president on immigration since Woodrow Wilson, but he couldn't make laws. Congress—for the last 30 years, anyway—deserves the blame for that.

And most recent presidents have, frankly, kinda sucked.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 4:58pm



 black321 wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

True. 
Same can be said that most are against illegal immigration
the argument on both sides gets conflated with false narratives like open borders / walls and closed borders.
when it comes to immigration, half the time i'm not even sure what the sides are arguing about. 
 
trump was only against illegal immigration. He just made most immigration illegal.

black321

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 12:56pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Oh, I don't think the States need immigrants to destroy the country. They seem to be doing a very good job of it by themselves.
 
It's only funny if it hurts, 
and if that wasn't so true, it wouldn't be so funny.

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 12:02pm

 R_P wrote:
They’re destroying our country. People are coming in by the hundreds of thousands.”

 
Oh, I don't think the States need immigrants to destroy the country. They seem to be doing a very good job of it by themselves.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 11:06am

“They’re destroying our country. People are coming in by the hundreds of thousands.”

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 10:45am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?
{#Stupid}
 

True. 
Same can be said that most are against illegal immigration
the argument on both sides gets conflated with false narratives like open borders / walls and closed borders.
when it comes to immigration, half the time i'm not even sure what the sides are arguing about. 
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 9:30am

 black321 wrote:

The 14 Most Common Arguments against Immigration and Why They’re Wrong



Arguments against immigration come across my desk every day but I rarely encounter a unique one. In 2016, I wrote a blog responding to the most common arguments with links to different research. Since then, academics and policy analysts have produced new research that should be included. These are the main arguments against immigration, my quick responses to them, and links to some of the most relevant evidence:
https://www.cato.org/blog/14-m...
 
I am sure there are some people that are against immigration.  I may have even met some in my life though I can't recall.  Seems to be a small fringe sub set that would be against immigration.  Are there any here?{#Stupid}
black321

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 8:50am

The 14 Most Common Arguments against Immigration and Why They’re Wrong



Arguments against immigration come across my desk every day but I rarely encounter a unique one. In 2016, I wrote a blog responding to the most common arguments with links to different research. Since then, academics and policy analysts have produced new research that should be included. These are the main arguments against immigration, my quick responses to them, and links to some of the most relevant evidence:
https://www.cato.org/blog/14-m...
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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 8:37am

kurtster wrote:
PR is a US Territory and therefore an orange to the apples (as stated elsewhere) and there are formal laws in place regarding this relationship. But since you use this as an example of "open borders" it does have laws and restrictions attached. How do you rationalize that then ?

Rationalize what, exactly?

You seem to be starting with the status quo as what is right and proper and any change to that has to be justified. I don't; I start with this: all human beings have the same rights. Any interference with these has to be justified, regardless of the current state of the law. If the law violates these rights it is unjust and should be removed. Doesn't matter how long it has been on the books, doesn't matter how big a constituency the law has.

Among these are the right to travel and make a living.

You are obsessed with the fact that the US exists within borders. Let me explain (again) what a border is: the boundary across which a country's laws no longer apply. I can go into Mexico and buy a wide variety of medicines over the counter. If I try that in the US I can be imprisoned. See how that works?

Citizenship means you get to vote in national elections and collect certain entitlements. Other than that everyone is subject to the same laws. I can travel to, live in, and work in, say...Georgia—but I can't vote there. I'm not a resident (citizen) of Georgia. If the state of Georgia is handing out covid shots for residents only I'm not allowed to get one.

I do not have a right to vote in Georgia. I do not have a right to have a covid shot provided for me. Puerto Ricans aren't allowed to vote in Georgia either, until they fulfill Georgia's requirements for residency.

The concept of an open border doesn't mean there isn't a border, it means people are allowed to cross it.

Interstate commerce and travel is regulated with laws. Laws that allow unrestricted interstate travel unless you have plants or fruit or vegetables in your possession in the case of many states. You cannot bring anything like that into California for example and I know for fact that you cannot board a plane with any fruit or vegetables and leave Hawaii, even if it is your intent to eat them on the flight.

Yes I know very well about licensing and movement. My Optician license is one such instance. There has been no progress in the 27 years that I have had one. Some states will give reciprocal acceptance, yet you must give up your current one and apply for a new one upon arrival in the states that do this.

Every restriction, no matter how absurd, pointless, or counter to the rights and wellbeing of the citizenry it is imposed on will be used to justify further restrictions. That's why it's important to force those imposing them to justify them—show that they do not violate the rights of those they are imposed upon—in the first place.

Furthermore regarding PR ... it is a special case for many more reasons. As you may or may not know, only ships with a US registry are allowed to dock in PR. One of the reasons hurricane relief was hampered. The Maritime worker unions blocked waivers for this FYI. As you do know because you fly for business, as of October 2020, IIRC, in order ot board a plane in the USA, you were supposed to be required to have a federally approved drivers license that at minimum required you to produce your birth certificate as proof of your identity. This requirement has been moved to 2022 as a result of the "pandemic". You want to travel to PR ? 99% of that is done by air. This will cause a problem for older PR's down the road as such documentation could very well be a problem. This has been one of the major hurdles in rebuilding after the big one. We have a friend (one of the wife's childhood friends and schoolmate who is down there and has since even bought a house there) who is an architect working for FEMA. One of the if not the biggest obstacle to residents obtaining federal funding for rebuilding is establishing ownership of their homes. Many of these dwellings have no deeds. They were just built back 100 or more years ago and accepted as a family's property / dwelling. Getting the proper paperwork is nigh impossible. I mentioned this long ago, but everyone was obsessed with Trump throwing paper towels.

At any rate ... This federal requirement for air travel effectively requires obtaining a passport to travel to PR, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, yada ... Most importantly for the sake of your argument, Alaska and Hawaii. You cannot drive to Hawaii and nor Alaska without a passport to go through Canada. So much for free unrestricted travel within the USA.

As for the first...um, thanks for sharing.

As for the second: yes, Canada is technically a different country. I haven't tried driving to Hawaii but I doubt a passport would help. No, you don't need a passport to travel to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the US Virgin Islands. I keep thinking there must be some kind of point here, but my time is limited and there's only so fine I can sift.

Anyone can come in unrestricted to the country, yet citizens have certain and very limiting restrictions to travel within the USA itself.

What does this do to your open border defense you presented above ?

Not a goddamned thing.

And did you notice that I did not mention any races or ethnicities in my discussion above ? And before you try and go there PR's refers to the residents of Puerto Rico ...

Yes, very diplomatic of you! You didn't even complain about shithole countries. Where do you want your shiny sticker?
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