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kcar

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 10:37pm



 kurtster wrote:

Interesting remark from someone brand new whose first post was in a political thread.  And to think that I stood up for you.

My mistake.  Should'a let you dangle like all of the rest.

But I must agree that maybe the time has come for a no-politics policy.  What the community / regular posters do allow is all one sided. Attempted presentation of different POV's is met mostly with vitriol and worse, with the accompanying thought that it is not even worth considering because it is from the other side of that aisle and the person bringing it up is less than human and told that they must hate America for even thinking that way.  And their sources are not acceptable.  So without an exchange or even the pretense of genuine tolerance and acknowledgement that there is another POV, why bother ?  It is all about expressing hate and bashing one particular political party and law enforcement and racism in America, the environment and Covid and ... There goes Ask a Libertarian, Ask an Atheist.  And more threads that are more political than the subject itself.  And then we can not talk about the politics of the artists we listen to.

There are a couple of people who would be left with little to do here if they couldn't post their constant pot stirring anti American spam.  Small price to pay anymore, imho.

I'm ready.
 

First 0ff: I think BillG was primarily upset the other day because you posted something that was studded with anger, vitriol and profanity. I'm guessing that the profanity most upset him. I've tried to go back and read through the discussion you had with steeler. It strikes me that you were the one who first moved from discussing issues to attacking the other person. 

"Attempted presentation of different POV's is met mostly with vitriol and worse, with the accompanying thought that it is not even worth considering because it is from the other side of that aisle and the person bringing it up is less than human and told that they must hate America for even thinking that way. And their sources are not acceptable. "

I disagree. You have stated in the past that you're the lone Trump supporter here, but there have been other posters who've expressed qualified support for Trump. Admittedly, the majority of RPers posting in political threads are anti-Trump—but there's a spectrum of opinions and leanings within that anti-Trump group. 

I have advised you ad nauseam that if you back up your opinions with evidence from reliable sources, you block people from criticizing you as a person. That holds true for everyone posting here.  Most of the people posting here recognize that ad hominem attacks are attempts to avoid honest discussions of the issues. 

I'll admit that you're at a disadvantage: most people posting in political threads here are anti-Trump. You are strongly pro-Trump. Unfortunately, Trump lives in a world created largely by his ego and disregard for the truth. The Washington Post and other news sources have documented his history of lying, a record that's not subject to interpretation or debate.

When the president tells your during a spike of coronavirus infections and deaths that the pandemic is almost gone, Americans who don't believe him are going to be enraged. The same holds true when anti-Trump Americans hear are struggling financially yet his claims the economy is doing wonderfully. 

You don't disagree with Trump's statements, even if they're not backed up by facts. So anti-Trump posters disagree with you forcefully, in part because your posts are a stand-in for Trump's claims. And because you don't back up your claims with facts often enough.

"And their sources are not acceptable. "

Let's face it, there are sketchy sources and Websites targeting audiences of every political stripe. I don't think RPers are going to reject a source providing verifiable facts merely because they disagree with the conclusions that the source might offer. That's a form of an ad hominem argument. They will reject a source if it has a habit of making outlandish and/or uncorroborated claims.

You have as much right to post here as everyone else. Back up your assertions with evidence and avoid starting ad hominem fights. I think things will run more smoothly for you. 
kurtster

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 7:21pm

 Jiggz wrote:


 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.
 

There's an idea!
I preferred the internet before it became the internet.
People were nicer, and the wake-n-bakes more friendly and easier to laugh with, and there was less of a need for continual confirmation bias.
+1 from here.
 
Interesting remark from someone brand new whose first post was in a political thread.  And to think that I stood up for you.

My mistake.  Should'a let you dangle like all of the rest.

But I must agree that maybe the time has come for a no-politics policy.  What the community / regular posters do allow is all one sided. Attempted presentation of different POV's is met mostly with vitriol and worse, with the accompanying thought that it is not even worth considering because it is from the other side of that aisle and the person bringing it up is less than human and told that they must hate America for even thinking that way.  And their sources are not acceptable.  So without an exchange or even the pretense of genuine tolerance and acknowledgement that there is another POV, why bother ?  It is all about expressing hate and bashing one particular political party and law enforcement and racism in America, the environment and Covid and ... There goes Ask a Libertarian, Ask an Atheist.  And more threads that are more political than the subject itself.  And then we can not talk about the politics of the artists we listen to.

There are a couple of people who would be left with little to do here if they couldn't post their constant pot stirring anti American spam.  Small price to pay anymore, imho.

I'm ready.
kcar

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 2:46pm

In Harsh Rebuke, Appeals Court Rejects Trump’s Election Challenge in Pennsylvania

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president,” a judge for the Third Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in the 21-page repudiation of Mr. Trump’s legal effort to halt Pennsylvania’s certification process.




In a blistering decision, a Philadelphia appeals court ruled on Friday that the Trump campaign could not stop — or attempt to reverse — the certification of the voting results in Pennsylvania, reprimanding the president’s team by noting that “calling an election unfair does not make it so.”

The 21-page ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals was a complete repudiation of Mr. Trump’s legal effort to halt Pennsylvania’s certification process and was written by a judge that he himself appointed to the bench. “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote on behalf of the appeals court. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

Many courts have used scathing language in tossing out a relentless barrage of lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign and its supporters since Election Day; but even so, the Third Circuit’s ruling was particularly blunt.

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president,” the court declared at one point. “Ballots, not briefs, decide elections.”

The court accused the Trump campaign of engaging in “repetitive litigation” and pointed out that the public interest strongly favored “counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail.”

Even though Republican plaintiffs have continued filing lawsuits challenging the integrity of the elections and Mr. Trump has not let up on baselessly questioning the election results on Twitter, judges around the country — some of them appointed by Republicans — have held the line, ruling over and over that the legal actions in several swing states lack both merit and sufficient proof.


R_P

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 12:49pm

The Inside Story of Michigan’s Fake Voter Fraud Scandal
How a state that was never in doubt became a "national embarrassment" and a symbol of the Republican Party’s fealty to Donald Trump.
In conversations with more than two dozen Michigan insiders—elected officials, party elders, consultants, activists—it became apparent how the state’s conditions were ripe for this sort of slow-motion disaster. Michigan is home to Detroit, an overwhelmingly majority Black city, that has always been a favorite punching bag of white Republicans. The state had viral episodes of conflict and human error that were easily manipulated and deliberately misconstrued. It drew special attention from the highest levels of the party, and for the president, it had the potential to settle an important score with his adversary, Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Perhaps most important, Trump’s allies in Michigan proved to be more career-obsessed, and therefore more servile to his whims, than GOP officials in any other state he has cultivated during his presidency, willing to indulge his conspiratorial fantasies in ways other Republicans weren’t.

This, Republicans and Democrats here agreed, was the essential difference between Michigan and other states. However sloppy Trump’s team was in contesting the results in places like Georgia and Wisconsin, where the margins were fractional, there was at least some plausible justification of a legal challenge. The same could never be said for Michigan. Strangely liberated by his deficit of 154,000 votes, the president’s efforts here were aimed not at overturning the results, but rather at testing voters’ faith in the ballot box and Republicans’ loyalty to him.

(...)

Benson and Calley were right that Trump was never going to succeed at altering the outcome in Michigan—or in any of the other contested states, or in the Electoral College itself. The 45th president’s time in office is drawing to a close. No amount of @realdonaldtrump tweets or wild-eyed allegations from his lawyers or unhinged segments on One America News can change that.

But what they can change—where he can ultimately succeed—is in convincing unprecedented numbers of Americans that their votes didn’t count. Last month, Gallup reported that the public’s confidence in our elections being accurate dropped 11 points since the 2018 midterms, which included a 34-point decrease among Republicans. That was before a daily deluge of dishonest allegations and out-of-context insinuations; before the conservative media’s wall-to-wall coverage of exotic conspiracy theories; before the GOP’s most influential figures winked and nodded at the president of the United States alleging the greatest fraud in U.S. history.

Trump failed to win Michigan. But he succeeded in convincing America that a loss, no matter how conclusive, may never again be conclusive enough.

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Posted: Nov 26, 2020 - 5:49am

 ColdMiser wrote:


 kcar wrote:
I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
 
A welcome peace offering. extra mashed potatoes for you! 

 

i agree and i say we throw in a gravy boat too  {#Biggrin}

because lagniappe
Jiggz



Posted: Nov 26, 2020 - 4:18am



 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.


 

There's an idea!
I preferred the internet before it became the internet.
People were nicer, and the wake-n-bakes more friendly and easier to laugh with, and there was less of a need for continual confirmation bias.
+1 from here.
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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 6:52pm


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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 4:56pm



 kcar wrote:
I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
 


ColdMiser

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 4:51pm



 kcar wrote:
I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
 
A welcome peace offering. extra mashed potatoes for you! 

R_P

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 3:17pm

A New Political Force Emerges in Georgia: Asian-American Voters
Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 12:47pm



 westslope wrote:


 kcar wrote:
........
It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.
........
 

Be thankful that American democracy is stronger than some partisan actors might otherwise wish.    I am thinking of those volunteers that work the voting booths and counting stations as well as judges regardless of who appointed them.  

 

To me - sincerely - it appears to be so that the United States of America have earned enough good (national) karma on the planet as a whole. 
That leads me to intuit, truth will prevail on earth, and always set itself free, somehow... perhaps not without grace from a universal source.  
westslope

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 12:32pm



 kcar wrote:
........
It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.
........
 

Be thankful that American democracy is stronger than some partisan actors might otherwise wish.    I am thinking of those volunteers that work the voting booths and counting stations as well as judges regardless of who appointed them.  

rgio

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 11:54am



 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.


 


sirdroseph

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 11:32am

 kcar wrote:
I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
 
{#Cheers}
Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 11:12am



 kcar wrote:
I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
 

*thumbs-up* 

Happy Thanksgiving to You all!
kcar

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 11:08am

I’m gonna chime in here, briefly...

This has been an extraordinarily difficult year for many of us. Politics has been only part of that. The pandemic, the economic downturn, the fires in the West, the BLM protests... the list goes on.

It’s Thanksgiving time in the US. Please, let’s take time to be thankful for this small community, that despite our political differences we still have so much in common. Let’s appreciate each other as fellow human beings with far more to offer than just an opinion on politics.

If you disagree with someone’s political views, please try not to reject that person entirely. You’re only reading/seeing one facet of that person. I haven’t always practiced that but I’m trying. 

Thank you all for showing up on RP Forum. I’m amazed by your collective kindness, intelligence, friendship and experiences. The world’s still  a great place and this is a nice corner of it.

Best wishes to you all during this holiday season.
R_P

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 11:06am

Fundamentally dishonest.
Steely_D

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 10:36am



 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.


 

Or keeping it all in a single thread instead of taking up ⅓ of the forum/fora and always at the top?
There was a time to really talk about it, but now a reprieve is in order. A deep breath.
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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 9:59am



 katzendogs wrote:

{#High-five}

 

6 feet buster

 



Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 9:53am



 pilgrim wrote:


 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.


 
Now that's a platform I can hitch my wagon to - you got my vote!

Wait... 


 
What are you voting for? 

1. Chill out, posters

2. No-politics policy
Don't cast any votes, pls. Rigging might be possible. 


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