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Posted: Dec 30, 2023 - 11:08am

 miamizsun wrote:
 Steely_D wrote:

I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.


can we extend that to tribalism/politics?
because if we can...
 
Not sure. It's possible of course but probably have to be able to see the light at the end of the Kobayashi Maru. I mean tunnel...
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Posted: Dec 30, 2023 - 6:59am

 Steely_D wrote:

I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.


can we extend that to tribalism/politics?
because if we can...
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Posted: Dec 29, 2023 - 7:54am

 Steely_D wrote:

Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposi’s Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was God’s vengeance, whatever that means.

Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didn’t prevent people from trying anything to “cure it.” And I don’t blame them at all. 

It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.

I think that’s a very useful template for what’s happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since “Big Pharma” is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what we’re dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.

I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.




 this was a great read.
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Posted: Dec 29, 2023 - 7:48am

 Steely_D wrote:

Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposi’s Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was God’s vengeance, whatever that means.

Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didn’t prevent people from trying anything to “cure it.” And I don’t blame them at all. 

It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.

I think that’s a very useful template for what’s happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since “Big Pharma” is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what we’re dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.

I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.


Thank you for that. Probably the most intelligent thing I've read regarding Covid since it came about. 

Steely_D

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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 4:52pm

Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposi’s Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was God’s vengeance, whatever that means.

Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didn’t prevent people from trying anything to “cure it.” And I don’t blame them at all. 

It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.

I think that’s a very useful template for what’s happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since “Big Pharma” is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what we’re dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.

I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 4:16pm

 black321 wrote:

Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...



Maybe to people that don’t understand biology, medicine, and immunology. I mean, why listen to people that have spend their lives trying to understand how things work?
Before going into immunology and immunoglobulins and inflammation and the unknown nature of why in some people the Long Covid injury is in the brain and in others the heart and in others the lungs, let’s start super simple:
What causes inflammation? Here’s a diagram. 
Now, in a natural remedy like Japanese Knotweed, which portion of the inflammation cascade is it affecting? Does it work in large controlled studies? Is its effect more potent that the other more traditional Western medicine that’s also being used. 
Which component of it is the active chemical? After identifying it, can it be synthesized to be used independently and in a predictable amount (not just “chew on three leaves of this noxious perennial”) - or is it dependent on another one or more co-agents that’s in the Japanese Knotweed itself, like an enzyme or catalyst?

So, as you can tell, you’ve hit a nerve with me. The internet is full of assertions, stories, and miracle cures. I can assure you that there are very very few researchers and healthcare workers that see a solution and ignore it so they can bring home a few more bucks. Most just want to do some good, not get sued, and go home.

And, if Big Pharma could take what works in the invasive Japanese Knotweed and sell it, I bet you they’d be first out of the box to put it on the market.

More about Japanese Knotweed, BTW https://www.invasivespeciesinf...
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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 9:59am

 black321 wrote:

Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...



Why cure when you can treat monthly... for a small fee...
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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 9:44am

Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 8:30am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Ooh. I thought I was going to have some low-grade long covid forever but the lingering symptoms faded after many months, maybe a year. I think my taster's back to normal now. But I can see how some people never fully shake it. 

I assume there's going to be a vax or something coming along that's more general and not so dependent on hitting a moving target. But it will be important to clear all of these old cases finally.
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Posted: Dec 28, 2023 - 7:38am

Monoclonal Antibodies: A New Treatment for Long COVID?

Hallie Levine
December 22, 2023

A treatment used to treat acute COVID-19 infection has also been found to be effective against long COVID, a new small study has found. The research, which assessed the benefits of monoclonal antibodies, suggests relief may finally be ahead for millions of Americans with long COVID for whom treatment has remained elusive.

The study, published in the American Journal of Emergency Medicine, found three Florida patients with long COVID made complete — and sudden — recoveries after they were given the monoclonal antibody cocktail casirivimab/imdevimab (Regeneron).


Steve

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Posted: Nov 10, 2023 - 9:24am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Yep. How's that grandbibby? 

Check the Grandbabies thread.

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Posted: Nov 10, 2023 - 9:05am

 Steve wrote:



Lots of blame to throw around.


Yep. How's that grandbibby? 
Steve

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Posted: Nov 10, 2023 - 8:56am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Indeed. Well, somewhat.




Lots of blame to throw around.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2023 - 8:40am

 Steve wrote:

Predictable and preventable!


Indeed. Well, somewhat.

Steve

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Posted: Nov 10, 2023 - 8:23am

Predictable and preventable!


The Great Grift: COVID-19 aid thieves bought fancy cars, a Pokemon card - even a private island



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Posted: Oct 5, 2023 - 11:51pm

 whatshisname wrote:

In the early days of the C19 outbreak my prayer book waving neighbor was taunting us that the world was just about to end. Then as each nominated date passed she shrugged it all off with some sort of ridiculous excuse.
Well another predicted date arrived and we had a ferocious thunder storm that evening with heaps of lightning . One bolt hit a large and ancient tree right near her bedroom window blowing the crap out of it ,showering the whole house in splinters.
After that she never mentioned anything about the end was nigh to us.


This really mad me laugh out loud.  

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Posted: Oct 5, 2023 - 4:59pm

In the early days of the C19 outbreak my prayer book waving neighbor was taunting us that the world was just about to end. Then as each nominated date passed she shrugged it all off with some sort of ridiculous excuse.
Well another predicted date arrived and we had a ferocious thunder storm that evening with heaps of lightning . One bolt hit a large and ancient tree right near her bedroom window blowing the crap out of it ,showering the whole house in splinters.
After that she never mentioned anything about the end was nigh to us.

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Posted: Oct 5, 2023 - 4:19pm

 Steely_D wrote:


I was on a trip with my high school debate team, 1975, and we ran into a geezer handing out mimeographs that showed it was unequivocal that the world was going to end tomorrow. When you’re in high school you do a bit of a pause and think, “what if it were true?” But - fifty years later - 





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Posted: Oct 5, 2023 - 12:01pm

 haresfur wrote:

Maybe I mentioned it before, but whatever. We read a case study in Uni of a small church/cult that predicted the end of the world and worked themselves into a frenzy. When the world continued past the date (and let's be fair the world is probably past its due date), they took it as a sign that they were special to God because he chose them as the ones to deceive. 



I was on a trip with my high school debate team, 1975, and we ran into a geezer handing out mimeographs that showed it was unequivocal that the world was going to end tomorrow. When you’re in high school you do a bit of a pause and think, “what if it were true?” But - fifty years later - 

haresfur

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Posted: Oct 4, 2023 - 2:29pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Now will someone please gather up all the prophets that were wrong (again - have they ever been right?) and humiliate them? 
Except they’ll just move the goal posts, as always.
Note that every single one of these kinds of posts are always “there will be” sorts of things, and they’re never followed up on. Anything reading as prophecy these days…here, lemme predict: will not have me as a reader. </Karnak>


Maybe I mentioned it before, but whatever. We read a case study in Uni of a small church/cult that predicted the end of the world and worked themselves into a frenzy. When the world continued past the date (and let's be fair the world is probably past its due date), they took it as a sign that they were special to God because he chose them as the ones to deceive. 

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