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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 5:34am

 miamizsun wrote:
Now the actual meaning of the word "anarchy" is (from the OED):

1. Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of
the supreme power; political disorder.

2. A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons,
but each individual has absolute liberty (without implication of disorder).

Thus we can see that the word "anarchy" represents two central meanings: an absence of
both government and social order, and an absence of government with no implication of
social disorder.

Without a government...
What does that mean in practice?

Well, clearly there are two kinds of leaders in this world - those who lead by incentive, and
those who lead by force. Those who lead by incentive will offer you a salary to come and
work for them; those who lead by force will throw you in jail if you do not pick up a gun
and fight for them.

Those who lead by incentive will try to get you to voluntarily send your children to their
schools by keeping their prices reasonable, their classes stimulating, and demonstrating
proven and objective success.
Those who lead by force will simply tell you that if you do not pay the property taxes to
fund their schools, you will be thrown in jail.
Clearly, this is the difference between voluntarism and violence.
The difference, of course, between politics and every other area of life is that in politics, if
you do not obey the government, you are thrown in jail. If you try to defend yourself
against the people who come to throw you in jail, they will shoot you.
So - what does the word "anarchy" really mean?
It simply means a way of interacting with others without threatening them with violence if
they do not obey.

It simply means "without political violence."
However, it only takes a moment of thought to realize that we live the vast majority of our
actual lives in complete and total anarchy - and call such anarchy "morally good."



  
Seems a trifle paranoid and utopian to me.  Some of it sounds like excerpts of the trial statements from Terry Nichols. 
If you do not pay property taxes your property could be foreclosed by the town or county - you DO NOT get "thrown in jail".  He seems to like the phrase "thrown in jail".  I wonder if he actually knows anyone who has been incarcerated for standing up to what he calls "political violence".

Those who lead by incentive will offer you a salary to come and work for them; those who lead by force will throw you in jail if you do not pick up a gun and fight for them.

Very black-and-white theorizing.  There are only two choices?  Does he really believe that employers and industrialists are motivated to "lead by incentive"?  So the robber-barons, and environmentally-averse entities like GE, DuPont and Monsanto have acted only out of humanitarian benevolence or a "morally good" anarchy?  Greed was never part of the equation?
Some of what he says makes sense, but that can be said of a lot of theories - some of what Marx and Engels wrote also makes sense.

Interesting "food for thought" as you said, however.  Thanks for posting it.


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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 5:11am

 Xeric wrote:
Greed. That's "why not anarchy." The environment, the poor, women, etc., all horrifically prayed upon even WITH government intervention to the contrary. We are not a species suited to anarchy.

 
I'd like to point out they are preyed on by government intervention.

Or may be that is what you meant, no?

And do we really need government/state violence/force?

Peace




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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 5:03am

That horrific praying gets them every time.

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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 4:25am

 Xeric wrote:
Greed. That's "why not anarchy." The environment, the poor, women, etc., all horrifically prayed upon even WITH government intervention to the contrary. We are not a species suited to anarchy.

 
I agree that we need a better human.  As we are right now, we pretty much suck.  But I fully agree with the principle of no government.

People should do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because it's the law.

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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 4:20am

 sirdroseph wrote:
No Anarchy........ but Sons of Anarchy?{#Yes}{#Clap}

 

Sometimes I think, a bit more courage and anarchy would help the world


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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 4:14am

No Anarchy........ but Sons of Anarchy?{#Yes}{#Clap}
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Posted: Sep 9, 2010 - 4:05am

Greed.

That's "why not anarchy."

The environment, the poor, women, etc., all horrifically prayed upon even WITH government intervention to the contrary.

We are not a species suited to anarchy.
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Posted: Sep 8, 2010 - 3:48pm


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Posted: Sep 8, 2010 - 3:37pm

 hobiejoe wrote:
Too difficult to organize.
 
 
 
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Posted: Sep 8, 2010 - 3:35pm

Too difficult to organize.
 
 
 
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Posted: Sep 8, 2010 - 2:30pm

I thought this was worthy. It's an introduction to a book by Stefan Molyneux. Hopefully some food for thought.

EVERYDAY ANARCHY

Introduction

It's hard to know whether a word can ever be rehabilitated - or whether the attempt
should even be made.

Words are weapons, and can be used like any tools, for good or ill. We are all aware of the
clichéd uses of such terms as "terrorists" versus "freedom fighters" etc. An atheist can be
called an "unbeliever"; a theist can be called "superstitious." A man of conviction can be
called an "extremist"; a man of moderation "cowardly." A free spirit can be called a libertine
or a hedonist; a cautious introvert can be labeled a stodgy prude.
Words are also weapons of judgment - primarily moral judgment. We can say that a man
can be "freed" of sin if he accepts Jesus; we can also say that he can be "freed" of
irrationality if he does not. A patriot will say that a soldier "serves" his country; others may
take him to task for his blind obedience. Acts considered "murderous" in peacetime are
hailed as "noble" in war, and so on.

Some words can never be rehabilitated - and neither should they be. Nazi, evil, incest,
abuse, rape, murder - these are all words which describe the blackest impulses of the
human soul, and can never be turned to a good end. Edmund may say in King Lear, "Evil, be
thou my good!" but we know that he is not speaking paradoxically; he is merely saying
"that which others call evil - my self-interest - is good for me."

The word "anarchy" may be almost beyond redemption - any attempt to find goodness in it
could well be utterly futile - or worse; the philosophical equivalent of the clichéd scene in
hospital dramas where the surgeon blindly refuses to give up on a clearly dead patient.
Perhaps I'm engaged in just such a fool's quest in this little book. Perhaps the word
"anarchy" has been so abused throughout its long history, so thrown into the pit of
incontestable human iniquity that it can never be untangled from the evils that supposedly
surround it.

What images spring to mind when you hear the word "anarchy"? Surely it evokes mad riots
of violence and lawlessness - a post-apocalyptic Darwinian free-for-all where the strong
and evil dominate the meek and reasonable. Or perhaps you view it as a mad political
agenda, a thin ideological cover for murderous desires and cravings for assassinations,
where wild-eyed, mustachioed men with thick hair and thicker accents roll cartoon bombs
under the ornate carriages of slowly-waving monarchs. Or perhaps you view "anarchy" as
more of a philosophical specter; the haunted and angry mutterings of over-caffeinated and
seemingly-eternal grad students; a nihilistic surrender to all that is seductive and evil in
human nature, a hurling off the cliff of self-restraint, and a savage plunge into the mad
magic of the moment, without rules, without plans, without a future...

If your teenage son were to come home to you one sunny afternoon and tell you that he had
become an anarchist, you would likely feel a strong urge to check his bag for black hair dye,
fresh nose rings, clumpy mascara and dirty needles. His announcement would very likely
cause a certain trapdoor to open under your heart, where you may fear that it might fall
forever. The heavy syllables of words like "intervention," "medication," "boot camp," and
"intensive therapy" would probably accompany the thudding of your quickened pulse.
All this may well be true, of course - I may be thumping the chest of a broken patient long
since destined for the morgue, but certain... insights, you could say, or perhaps
correlations, continue to trouble me immensely, and I cannot shake the fear that it is not
anarchy that lies on the table, clinging to life - but rather, the truth.

I will take a paragraph or two to try and communicate what troubles me so much about the
possible injustice of throwing the word "anarchy" into the pit of evil - if I have not
convinced you by the end of the next page that something very unjust may be afoot, then I
will have to continue my task of resurrection with others, because I do not for a moment
imagine that I would ever convince you to call something good that is in fact evil.
And neither would I want to.

Now the actual meaning of the word "anarchy" is (from the OED):

1. Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of
the supreme power; political disorder.

2. A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons,
but each individual has absolute liberty (without implication of disorder).

Thus we can see that the word "anarchy" represents two central meanings: an absence of
both government and social order, and an absence of government with no implication of
social disorder.

Without a government...
What does that mean in practice?

Well, clearly there are two kinds of leaders in this world - those who lead by incentive, and
those who lead by force. Those who lead by incentive will offer you a salary to come and
work for them; those who lead by force will throw you in jail if you do not pick up a gun
and fight for them.

Those who lead by incentive will try to get you to voluntarily send your children to their
schools by keeping their prices reasonable, their classes stimulating, and demonstrating
proven and objective success.
Those who lead by force will simply tell you that if you do not pay the property taxes to
fund their schools, you will be thrown in jail.
Clearly, this is the difference between voluntarism and violence.

The word "anarchy" does not mean "no rules." It does not mean "kill others for fun." It does
not mean "no organization."
It simply means: "without a political leader."

The difference, of course, between politics and every other area of life is that in politics, if
you do not obey the government, you are thrown in jail. If you try to defend yourself
against the people who come to throw you in jail, they will shoot you.
So - what does the word "anarchy" really mean?
It simply means a way of interacting with others without threatening them with violence if
they do not obey.

It simply means "without political violence."

The difference between this word and words like "murder" and "rape" is that we do not mix
murder and rape with the exact opposite actions in our life, and consider the results
normal, moral and healthy. We do not strangle a man in the morning, then help a woman
across the street in the afternoon, and call ourselves "good."

The true evils that we all accept - rape, assault, murder, theft - are never considered a core
and necessary part of the life of a good person. An accused murderer does not get to walk
free by pointing out that he spent all but five seconds of his life not killing someone.
With those acknowledged evils, one single transgression changes the moral character of an
entire life. You would never be able to think of a friend who is convicted of rape in the same
way again.

However - this is not the case with "anarchy" - it does not fit into that category of "evil" at
all. When we think of a society without political violence - without governments - these
specters of chaos and brutality always arise for us, immediately and, it would seem,
irrevocably.

However, it only takes a moment of thought to realize that we live the vast majority of our
actual lives in complete and total anarchy - and call such anarchy "morally good."


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