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Jul 15, 2026 - 2:21pm
islander wrote:
Also, still wrong. I have no problem saying that instead of "well they are doing it too, so we should just do the wrong thing".
Even with being elected, this shows how power concentrates. We don't have kings, but we seem to have dynasties - Bushes, Kenedys, ect. And we have these whole power structures that get stood up around elected officials that become a fiefdom with influence and resource to maintain itself. Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel... They stay too long because the draw is so strong and the grip is so powerful. These are the things we need to be working on. Not sure how, especially considering the abuse of power that we seem to be willing to tolerate if it favors 'our team'. More and more a revolution seems necessary.
It was painful to support Hillary (winner! The peopleâs choice!) knowing that our history books would show Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton as our presidencies. That just looks like thereâs nothing but dynasties going on there.
The current administration, with the help of the SCOTUS, are pushing for more and more money without disclosure. People need to elect representatives who will work for them... yet so few do. This comes back to an intelligence, education, and critical thinking skills that the administration is also attacking. Pure insanity.
Unfortunately, money has become a coupon for power fairly universally. It's a bad trend. Right now representatives are mostly controlling the system so they are effectively electing themselves with an slim/failing illusion of two party choice. Term limits in this situation are about as likely as an epiphany on the failings of gerrymandering or a ban on insider trading. It's not the time, it's the behaviors that need to change.
I don't know how it started, but the attacks on intelligence and learning have crippled our society. I work with some genuinely talented people in a blue collar environment. I'm astonished at the lengths that smart people will go through not to 'look smart'. So much opportunity lost.
I wasn't defending or advocating the presence of family "dynasties" in politics, I was pointing out the weak analogy of comparing a governor-appointed family member taking office to one who was elected to that office.
Agreed, that was just me being sloppy entering the conversation and avoiding a certain someone.
Also notable that you are properly calling out while bad, these are not the same. It's not a 'both sides' issue when one side does something mildly bad and the other side disregards democracy entirely.
Dingell indicated that she planned to run for her husband's congressional seat after he announced his retirement.=""> On August 5, she won the Democratic primary, winning 77.7% of the vote against Raymond Mullins. On November 4, she won the general election, defeating Republican Terry Bowman with 65.0% of the vote.
When Dingell was sworn in, she became the first U.S. non-widowed woman in Congress to succeed her husband. His father, John Dingell Sr., held Michigan's 12th district for 22 years before his son won it. Altogether, the Dingells had represented this district,
numbered as the 15th from 1933 to 1965, the 16th from 1965 to 2003, the 15th again from 2003 to 2013, and the 12th from 2013 to 2023, since 1932.
You were saying ?
Well, Debbie Dingell was elected, not appointed by the governor. Apparently, their family was very popular in that part of Michigan.
Proclivities wrote:
I wasn't defending or advocating the presence of family "dynasties" in politics, I was pointing out the weak analogy of comparing a governor-appointed family member taking office to one who was elected to that office.
Duly noted.
And I was addressing the key point in richard's X post. A political fiefdom.
Meanwhile on appointing a spouse to fill a vacancy caused by death ...
Also, still wrong. I have no problem saying that instead of "well they are doing it too, so we should just do the wrong thing".
Even with being elected, this shows how power concentrates. We don't have kings, but we seem to have dynasties - Bushes, Kenedys, ect. And we have these whole power structures that get stood up around elected officials that become a fiefdom with influence and resource to maintain itself. Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel... They stay too long because the draw is so strong and the grip is so powerful. These are the things we need to be working on. Not sure how, especially considering the abuse of power that we seem to be willing to tolerate if it favors 'our team'. More and more a revolution seems necessary.
I wasn't defending or advocating the presence of family "dynasties" in politics, I was pointing out the weak analogy of comparing a governor-appointed family member taking office to one who was elected to that office.
Also, still wrong. I have no problem saying that instead of "well they are doing it too, so we should just do the wrong thing".
Even with being elected, this shows how power concentrates. We don't have kings, but we seem to have dynasties - Bushes, Kenedys, ect. And we have these whole power structures that get stood up around elected officials that become a fiefdom with influence and resource to maintain itself. Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel... They stay too long because the draw is so strong and the grip is so powerful. These are the things we need to be working on. Not sure how, especially considering the abuse of power that we seem to be willing to tolerate if it favors 'our team'. More and more a revolution seems necessary.
Feature, not bug.
The current administration, with the help of the SCOTUS, are pushing for more and more money without disclosure. People need to elect representatives who will work for them... yet so few do. This comes back to an intelligence, education, and critical thinking skills that the administration is also attacking. Pure insanity.
Well, Debbie Dingell was elected, not appointed by the governor. Apparently, their family was very popular in that part of Michigan.
Also, still wrong. I have no problem saying that instead of "well they are doing it too, so we should just do the wrong thing".
Even with being elected, this shows how power concentrates. We don't have kings, but we seem to have dynasties - Bushes, Kenedys, ect. And we have these whole power structures that get stood up around elected officials that become a fiefdom with influence and resource to maintain itself. Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel...
They stay too long because the draw is so strong and the grip is so powerful. These are the things we need to be working on.
Not sure how,
especially considering the abuse of power that we seem to be willing to tolerate if it favors 'our team'. More and more a revolution seems necessary.
Not sure how ? Duh. The answer is simple. Term Limits.
Been screaming for them for years. No one here wants them though. The proposition is always loudly rejected.
Well, Debbie Dingell was elected, not appointed by the governor. Apparently, their family was very popular in that part of Michigan.
Also, still wrong. I have no problem saying that instead of "well they are doing it too, so we should just do the wrong thing".
Even with being elected, this shows how power concentrates. We don't have kings, but we seem to have dynasties - Bushes, Kenedys, ect. And we have these whole power structures that get stood up around elected officials that become a fiefdom with influence and resource to maintain itself. Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel... They stay too long because the draw is so strong and the grip is so powerful. These are the things we need to be working on. Not sure how, especially considering the abuse of power that we seem to be willing to tolerate if it favors 'our team'. More and more a revolution seems necessary.
Dingell indicated that she planned to run for her husband's congressional seat after he announced his retirement. On August 5, she won the Democratic primary, winning 77.7% of the vote against Raymond Mullins. On November 4, she won the general election, defeating Republican Terry Bowman with 65.0% of the vote.
When Dingell was sworn in, she became the first U.S. non-widowed woman in Congress to succeed her husband. His father, John Dingell Sr., held Michigan's 12th district for 22 years before his son won it.
Altogether, the Dingells had represented this district,
numbered as the 15th from 1933 to 1965, the 16th from 1965 to 2003, the 15th again from 2003 to 2013, and the 12th from 2013 to 2023,
since 1932.
You were saying ?
Well, Debbie Dingell was elected, not appointed by the governor. Apparently, their family was very popular in that part of Michigan.
Dingell indicated that she planned to run for her husband's congressional seat after he announced his retirement.] On August 5, she won the Democratic primary, winning 77.7% of the vote against Raymond Mullins. On November 4, she won the general election, defeating Republican Terry Bowman with 65.0% of the vote.
When Dingell was sworn in, she became the first U.S. non-widowed woman in Congress to succeed her husband. His father, John Dingell Sr., held Michigan's 12th district for 22 years before his son won it.
Altogether, the Dingells had represented this district,
numbered as the 15th from 1933 to 1965, the 16th from 1965 to 2003, the 15th again from 2003 to 2013, and the 12th from 2013 to 2023,
