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Donovan — Please Don't Bend
Album: Sutras
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Released: 1996
Length: 4:08
Plays (last 30 days): 3
Walking, talking along a lonely shore
With your hair blowing soft on the breeze
I do dream you into my life
Gift me your love if you please
Please don't bend my heart
Made of glass
I can't promise to be here for you
Please don't bend my heart
She said to me
I can't promise to be here, be here, be here for you
Oh what a night the moon shining bright
Your kisses are sweeter than wine
Music floats on the breeze from the town
I lead you holding your hand in mine
Now you're trembling beneath my lips
Soon I'll be gone to the south
We say nothing, we two just know
No words of woe from our mouths
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Thinking they're gonna be here, not there. 
This is one of the things I love about RP. I would never have otherwise heard this gem by Donovan. One of his best, IMO.
 Alastair wrote:

Please, please, please stop playing this.  One of the very few I have scored as a  1. 



It's an 8 for me so please keep playing it
Please, please, please stop playing this.  One of the very few I have scored as a  1. 
 Edweirdo wrote:

Huh? Cat Stevens is English, and Donovan isn't English but Scottish.


Cat Stevens is  actually Greek and Donovan is indeed Scottish. I should have said "A British Cat Steven" to satisfy the racially aware.
 Devaplan wrote:

An English Cat Stevens and every bit as unique.


Huh? Cat Stevens is English, and Donovan isn't English but Scottish.
timeless
An English Cat Stevens and every bit as unique.
 firefly6 wrote:

You know that scene in "Animal House" where John Belushi grabs the guitar and smashes it against the wall?



So Pete Townshend might have listened to Donovan too much?
Reminds me of my teenage days of buying singles by mail order.
Please Do Not Bend....
 rgrace wrote:

Ahead of its time. Sounds like he could have recorded this now. I'm not his biggest fan, but this is so contemporary sounding it's scary.



I saw Donovan weeks before this album (Sutra) was released in an intimate little show at Campden Dingwalls. Beth Orton opened.
It was a great show. Donovan played every track from the album, I remembered every one of the songs, so much so that when I got the new album it all felt very familiar to me. 
 chinacat wrote:

1996. Really?  Didn't see that coming. I guess that I need to catch up with what has been up to.




Really lovely tune. I am also surprised this was released in 1996. Donovan is forever associated with Mellow Yellow for me. Still looking for some.
1996. Really?  Didn't see that coming. I guess that I need to catch up with what has been up to.

never cared much for Donovan back in the day, but heard this and found it had a bit more charm than expected
I love my shirt!
I can't get over how well he nails it in this, 30 years after his initial major break-through. He's such a Celtic minstrel! Having seen him in '85 and 2017, I can say that he's a one-of-a-kind Next-Level Enlightenment Booster, every time! He makes me feel as if an active participant in the magic of his fairy-tale spells, spun from his silky voice and nimble fingers. The amazing, funny stories of the '60s and '70s that he tells are all priceless, too! His music has been indispensable to me.
Donovan’s greatest tune
What I tell my iPhone every time I put it in my pocket
My #1 for my wife! Beautiful, heaven sent, delightfully stunning, warm at heart,even warmer soul . She’s 20 of my top ten!! Then Mark Knoffler kicks in and - ad the cheers n drawers hit home bases between their knees
 rhlrstn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, this is a great image... but it makes me wonder what kind of person thinks "you know what's missing in stock photography? a sheep wearing sunglasses and headphones with a mic" 
 

It's a metaphor. If you don't get it, go to the back of the flock.
 dublanica wrote:
First time hearing this Donovan tune.  Another nice one from a unique and original performer.
 

Can't put it any better than that! Solid 8
 rhlrstn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, this is a great image... but it makes me wonder what kind of person thinks "you know what's missing in stock photography? a sheep wearing sunglasses and headphones with a mic" 
 
If you're into weird stock photos, you can find a lot of 'em here
He was so much better than the acclaim he got at the time.
 SummitPlot wrote:
In 1975, my then-girl friend and now wife went to see Donovan in concert at a medium-sized venue in London. He seemed trapped in some late 1960s hippy daze, sitting cross-legged on stage. It was just him, his guitar and too much incense. Within 20 minutes, both of us had fallen sound asleep out of sheer boredom. Fortunately, there was an intermission so we fled along with many others. Donovan will forever be a sleep-aid for the two of us. We had a similar experience with the Cowboy Junkies a few years back but didn't actually fall asleep, just fled at the intermission. Some musicians just don't know what a live performance requires.
 

And some non-musician listeners will never know how much love dedication and hours of practice  goes into a live performance. Lets hear your songs..
Back in the mid 80's, I walked into an art supply store in Denver, CO and everyone was all a buzz. I asked what was up and the reason was Donovan was in the store shopping. I got to meet him and he was a very nice bloke. Apparently, he's also multi-talented. 
Donovan has a cameo in the new Netflix short film "Have A Good Trip: Adventures in Psychedelics". Highly (sorry) recommended viewing . Sting and Carrie Fisher are the real stars of the show, they have some, uh, "interesting" experiences to share 

https://www.netflix.com/title/80231917
 rhlrstn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, this is a great image... but it makes me wonder what kind of person thinks "you know what's missing in stock photography? a sheep wearing sunglasses and headphones with a mic" 
 
And why aren't the headphones plugged in?


 firefly6 wrote:
You know that scene in "Animal House" where John Belushi grabs the guitar and smashes it against the wall?

 

Ha! That made me laugh. But I still like this song anyways.
 rhlrstn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, this is a great image... but it makes me wonder what kind of person thinks "you know what's missing in stock photography? a sheep wearing sunglasses and headphones with a mic" 
 
Those that want to say something about pop music?
Great tune, great sound... so pleasant and simple. Like me :D
 firefly6 wrote:
You know that scene in "Animal House" where John Belushi grabs the guitar and smashes it against the wall?

 
Now that’s funny!
In 1975, my then-girl friend and now wife went to see Donovan in concert at a medium-sized venue in London. He seemed trapped in some late 1960s hippy daze, sitting cross-legged on stage. It was just him, his guitar and too much incense. Within 20 minutes, both of us had fallen sound asleep out of sheer boredom. Fortunately, there was an intermission so we fled along with many others. Donovan will forever be a sleep-aid for the two of us. We had a similar experience with the Cowboy Junkies a few years back but didn't actually fall asleep, just fled at the intermission. Some musicians just don't know what a live performance requires.
 thewiseking wrote:
saw him perform live recently. the voice is gone but the guitar playing and  stories are better than ever
 
Saw him solo within the past 4 or 5 years in a small room at Kent State.  His voice had some moments, but yes, the stories and guitar playing are simply outstanding.  He is a walking talking music history book for the 60's and 70's. 

Seen him with a full tilt band as well during the Cosmic Wheels tour and maybe another time, you know how that goes.  Love his work overall.
Always loved Donovan going back to "Sunshine Superman" days.  Nice voice; original and unique sound.  This song is quite nice and displays his maturity.
Was never that deep into the Cat... but yeah groovy … a bit Celtic folk !
Herb is GOOD!
Then there was Natalie Merchant!
First time hearing this Donovan tune.  Another nice one from a unique and original performer.
This always reminds me of Starsailor's "Tie Up My Hands" which would follow on nicely from this, although maybe a grouping of those two warbling vocalists might constitute a small flock ...
Always liked Donovan from hippie, dippie daze.  Never followed his music in later years.  This is a very pretty sound!
I like how he says Glass 
 DaveInVA wrote:

 
Don't get me wrong, this is a great image... but it makes me wonder what kind of person thinks "you know what's missing in stock photography? a sheep wearing sunglasses and headphones with a mic" 
Made me mute RP and watch shitty BBC Friday drivetime instead. Soz.
Nice to hear this and other Donovan tracks on RP - thanks Bill - UK radio stations seem to have forgotten him!  I first saw Donovan in a very small club in Belsize Park (London) must have been 1964/5!  OMG was it really that long ago!!
I have never heard this before, and its beautiful. 
love this one, so calm, gentle and sincere
Donovan in the studio...
 pfwashburn9485 wrote:
Many people won't feel the sensitivity in the song !  Connecticut,USA.
 
Today, I am one of those "many people".
saw him perform live recently. the voice is gone but the guitar playing and  stories are better than ever
 {#Meditate}  yes.  coloradojohn wrote:
This always makes me stop and think about all the times I ever let Donovan's melodic folksy wisdom and Celtic Gypsy soul-sight wash over me. Reminds me of his Syd Barrett-like masterpiece "A Flower's Gift to a Garden;" his outlook so real, so pure, and so dang Tao.

 


This always makes me stop and think about all the times I ever let Donovan's melodic folksy wisdom and Celtic Gypsy soul-sight wash over me. Reminds me of his Syd Barrett-like masterpiece "A Flower's Gift to a Garden;" his outlook so real, so pure, and so dang Tao.
{#Meditate}
Mellow Yellow man?
nice 
This man stands for peace. Donovan haters, it's time to exit this page.
Still liking this. Pretty good lyrics, ok yeah, somwhat clichèd, but still. Nice to hear just one guitar and vocals (the intro) then, even with acoustic bass it's still a wonderfullly simple setting.

Walking, talking along a lonely shore
With your hair blowing soft on the breeze
I do dream you into my life
Gift me your love if you please

"Please don't bend my heart, made of glass
I can't promise to be here for you"
"Please don't bend my heart", she said to me
"I can't promise to be here, be here, be here for you"

 
Love.
Next time please play Nirvana from the same album

Rascal wrote:  "Look up Shawn Phillips....just sayin"

I couldn't agree more, 40+ years of music and every album is an adventure. A real find for anyone wondering if there is something great out there that you may have missed.... just sayin'.
I can hear similarities to Agnes Obel Fuel to Fire albeit she plays piano.  Donovan was first of course :)  Message to Bill - what about a seque with these two next time?
a beautiful collection of words and thoughts, shared with strong simple music and near quiet voice      love
8 -> 9     It is so ....  affirming, to hear a fine song from Mr. Leach that he wrote long AFTER his hazy* crazy* heyday!   
        (*well, we all were {#Group-hug} )

{#Music}
I'm turning 57 soon and I've thought Please don't bend a few times.
This guy aged well.
Look up Shawn Phillips....just sayin
nice!  Have enjoyed this song and Donovan's gentle power for a good many years.
Great that younger listeners are discovering him.  Play more.
I'm a Nick Drake fan too but never related the two before but sure hear it now.
For me, no one tops Dylan though…scratchy voice and all.  Loved his Americana tour with Richard Thompson last summer.
And now Francis Cabrel who was just in NYC.  RP rocks!
 
Kind of nice. A little too mellow.
What a sweet PSD :) 7
 Cynaera wrote:

Oh, crap - I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. Mom loved this song (and she was a pretty tough audience.) The video isn't working (slow processor) but the music is here. Thank you, Dave. This is awesome. You totally rock.  Get another cat or two, but adopt, don't shop, okay?

Now, gotta go back and listen to that song again and again. Mom would be smiling beautifically from her sleep. Whatever happens in this uncertain future of various faiths, should we meet, I'll be sure Mom knows who the person was that gave her that song. (Uh, but I'd have to introduce her to Donovan, and I don't know him, so that might be a problem...){#Wink}


 
Donovan is Great, it is also worth while to scroll down to read some letters from the near past...
Wow - I had no idea Donovan was really that good a singer!   I'm impressed...
just beautiful...
 bh1 wrote:
For a minute I thought this was Jethro Tull. But new Donavan? Well good.
 
Whaaa..?  Not sure how you get to Ian Anderson's vocals from Donovan, never mind the paucity of flute.  
Love this song! Wow so surprised to see it was Donovan...I thought at first it was Cat Stevens
Does anyone else hear a cat in heat?  {#Beat}
Didn't anyone see him on the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame concert on HBO this year?   He sounded great and for his acceptance speech he recited a poem.  Such an interesting and gentle  person he seems to be.....still beautiful .... inside and out.   Nice to hear this too.
I like ... off to check out the rest of the CD. I have poloroid picture I took of Donovan back stage in 1969. he still sound good here. he must be close to 70 now.
For a minute I thought this was Jethro Tull. But new Donavan? Well good.
isn't he dead yet? Deathless Delight was the only decent thing he did, and I was stoned when I decided that so even that is self doubted!
A giant frosty glass of "meh"
Never heard this before....I quite like it.
 GrannyO wrote:
Now I remember what's missing from my iTunes.  
 
Stryper?

 crogers wrote:
A Donovan song that I actually like?  Huh; never thought I'd live so long. 

< blatant opinion faucet: ON >

I've always liked Nick Drake very much, an artist who's been compared to early Donovan by many - though I personally have problems with drawing too many lines between them.  However, given the obvious similarities in their vocal styles, I could never quite understand why I could really appreciate one but intensely dislike the other.  

This song has clarified it for me — it is actually well written, carefully rendered and thoughtful.  It is a song written and performed for the sake of the song and its gentle message, rather than as a showcase for the vagaries and innate peculiarites of the performer's voice.  Drake's songwriting and the exquisitely careful presentation of his work encouraged me to both respect him as an artist and sympathize with him as a flawed and hurting human being — ultimately bringing me closer to him and his art.  In contrast, Donovan's efforts, partiuclarly those from the Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy days, chafe me like the proverbial sand-in-the-swim-trunks.

In an effort to avoid further discomfort, I have successfully ignored Donovan since 1973.  Until this evening.  When I heard this song.  It is surprisingly, effortlessly Good.

Perhaps the lesson is simply that people do change.  Not just the performers, but the listeners as well.  My advice, for what it's worth, is to give them both a chance.  Take four minutes out of your busy day and really listen, with fresh ears, to something (or someONE) that has always driven you nuts.  It doesn't have to be a musician — it can even be your bitchy younger sister.  But give it that chance — you just might find that over time, both of you have found your ways when you weren't even paying attention.

I still hate Dylan though...   {#Biggrin}

< blatant opinion faucet: OFF >
YEAH, BUT WHAT DO YOU REALLY THINK?
 


 RedGuitar wrote:

Rick Rubin has recorded several artists lately, and tries to strip their sound down to the basics - Johnny Cash, Neil Diamond, Donovan are a few.

 


Yeah, funny thing is: they all sound the same now.... Thanks, Rick! You did a "great" job.
 CoYoT51 wrote:
Good to mention that Rick Rubin produced this album, Bill!
When Rick Rubin gets involved, it's good.
Well... I'm a Rubin too. I couldn't be less subjective. :)
 
Rick Rubin has recorded several artists lately, and tries to strip their sound down to the basics - Johnny Cash, Neil Diamond, Donovan are a few.

I'm working at the computer and RP is quietly in the background...
suddenly I sense Donovan is singing... a new song!  (For me anyway)
Very Nice, Very pleasant surprise.


 crogers wrote:
A Donovan song that I actually like?  Huh; never thought I'd live so long. 

< blatant opinion faucet: ON >

I've always liked Nick Drake very much, an artist who's been compared to early Donovan by many - though I personally have problems with drawing too many lines between them.  However, given the obvious similarities in their vocal styles, I could never quite understand why I could really appreciate one but intensely dislike the other.  

This song has clarified it for me — it is actually well written, carefully rendered and thoughtful.  It is a song written and performed for the sake of the song and its gentle message, rather than as a showcase for the vagaries and innate peculiarites of the performer's voice.  Drake's songwriting and the exquisitely careful presentation of his work encouraged me to both respect him as an artist and sympathize with him as a flawed and hurting human being — ultimately bringing me closer to him and his art.  In contrast, Donovan's efforts, partiuclarly those from the Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy days, chafe me like the proverbial sand-in-the-swim-trunks.

In an effort to avoid further discomfort, I have successfully ignored Donovan since 1973.  Until this evening.  When I heard this song.  It is surprisingly, effortlessly Good.

Perhaps the lesson is simply that people do change.  Not just the performers, but the listeners as well.  My advice, for what it's worth, is to give them both a chance.  Take four minutes out of your busy day and really listen, with fresh ears, to something (or someONE) that has always driven you nuts.  It doesn't have to be a musician — it can even be your bitchy younger sister.  But give it that chance — you just might find that over time, both of you have found your ways when you weren't even paying attention.

I still hate Dylan though...   {#Biggrin}

< blatant opinion faucet: OFF >
  "Like!"


The cellist on this CD is a dear friend of mine. To have her play in my living room is a treat and an honor. And boy does she have great stories! {#Sunny}
Stunningly boring.
A Donovan song that I actually like?  Huh; never thought I'd live so long. 

< blatant opinion faucet: ON >

I've always liked Nick Drake very much, an artist who's been compared to early Donovan by many - though I personally have problems with drawing too many lines between them.  However, given the obvious similarities in their vocal styles, I could never quite understand why I could really appreciate one but intensely dislike the other.  

This song has clarified it for me — it is actually well written, carefully rendered and thoughtful.  It is a song written and performed for the sake of the song and its gentle message, rather than as a showcase for the vagaries and innate peculiarites of the performer's voice.  Drake's songwriting and the exquisitely careful presentation of his work encouraged me to both respect him as an artist and sympathize with him as a flawed and hurting human being — ultimately bringing me closer to him and his art.  In contrast, Donovan's efforts, partiuclarly those from the Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy days, chafe me like the proverbial sand-in-the-swim-trunks.

In an effort to avoid further discomfort, I have successfully ignored Donovan since 1973.  Until this evening.  When I heard this song.  It is surprisingly, effortlessly Good.

Perhaps the lesson is simply that people do change.  Not just the performers, but the listeners as well.  My advice, for what it's worth, is to give them both a chance.  Take four minutes out of your busy day and really listen, with fresh ears, to something (or someONE) that has always driven you nuts.  It doesn't have to be a musician — it can even be your bitchy younger sister.  But give it that chance — you just might find that over time, both of you have found your ways when you weren't even paying attention.

I still hate Dylan though...   {#Biggrin}

< blatant opinion faucet: OFF >


Love it love it!!!!!!!!!!!!
But then I have always thought that Donovan is one of the greatest singer songwriters ever. I want this song! It came out in 1996 .. Why wasn't it ever played? God bless RP now I'm living in musical heaven everyday I am tuned in to this brilliant radio station

Great to hear something from this album again. I think I own it, or did at some point... Have to go dig it up.  These songs are real slow burners, but hearing this again after over a decade, I find that they build to a pretty intense burn.


Now I remember what's missing from my iTunes.  
Good to mention that Rick Rubin produced this album, Bill!
When Rick Rubin gets involved, it's good.
Well... I'm a Rubin too. I couldn't be less subjective. :)
 DaveInVA wrote:

Here is the YouTube video of that song you are looking for. It was recorded in '72 and released in '73 as a single with its "B" side being "Earth Sign Man". It also did come out on side 2 of "Cosmic Wheels" in '73. It was later released on the CD "Troubadour: The Definitive Collection 1964-1976 (disc 2)"

 
Oh, crap - I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. Mom loved this song (and she was a pretty tough audience.) The video isn't working (slow processor) but the music is here. Thank you, Dave. This is awesome. You totally rock.  Get another cat or two, but adopt, don't shop, okay?

Now, gotta go back and listen to that song again and again. Mom would be smiling beautifically from her sleep. Whatever happens in this uncertain future of various faiths, should we meet, I'll be sure Mom knows who the person was that gave her that song. (Uh, but I'd have to introduce her to Donovan, and I don't know him, so that might be a problem...){#Wink}

 Cynaera wrote:
Okay - for all you audiophiles out there - I hope you can help me!  I heard a song by Donovan in about 1972 or 1973. It was called "I Like You." It had strings, and it made me laugh and cry and dance. (No, I wasn't on drugs then - that came after high school.)  My late mom and dad both loved classical music, and when I first heard "I Like You," I knew it was a song they'd both love (and one of very few songs on which we could agree.)  FINALLY, it came on the radio, and I yelled for Mom and Dad to listen.  I turned it up, and watched Mom's face go from skeptical to dreamy.  Dad, of course, was stoic, but I could see in his eyes that he liked it.

It was from the album "Cosmic Wheels," but when I go to various places to see if there's a "listen" link, the song list for the album is completely different! WTF?  This is a pic of the original cover:



Anyway, all I want is to find a link that will let me listen to this song again, so I can have some closure.

Thanks.  We now return you to your regularly-scheduled hootenanny, already in progress.
 
Here is the YouTube video of that song you are looking for. It was recorded in '72 and released in '73 as a single with its "B" side being "Earth Sign Man". It also did come out on side 2 of "Cosmic Wheels" in '73. It was later released on the CD "Troubadour: The Definitive Collection 1964-1976 (disc 2)"

speaks to me...


His voice sounds too affected for my taste.
i love this song. i thought the rest of the album was very forgettable, but this song stood out.
 Stingray wrote:
REAL GREAT! STUNNED!

PS
OUR DONOVAN...?

PPS
Really-really?

...and "bad" general RP-rating! Why...?

RICK RUBIN!! Fantastic idea!!!

 
Hi, SR - in response to your e-mail..... I never found the song. I followed the link you provided (THANK YOU!) My computer is rather lame - very old, and limps around the Internet.  I'll keep trying, of course.  Meanwhile, you asked that I post here, and so I have. {#Mrgreen} I appreciate your help - that song has been haunting me for years, and I'll probably end up buying the remixed/remastered/reduxed CD on eBay...{#Rolleyes}

Also - I've tried to send music for RP review, but again - this computer is wonderful and I love her, but she's old, like me. We don't move too fast these days. Maybe that's a good thing. {#Sunny}
Okay - for all you audiophiles out there - I hope you can help me!  I heard a song by Donovan in about 1972 or 1973. It was called "I Like You." It had strings, and it made me laugh and cry and dance. (No, I wasn't on drugs then - that came after high school.)  My late mom and dad both loved classical music, and when I first heard "I Like You," I knew it was a song they'd both love (and one of very few songs on which we could agree.)  FINALLY, it came on the radio, and I yelled for Mom and Dad to listen.  I turned it up, and watched Mom's face go from skeptical to dreamy.  Dad, of course, was stoic, but I could see in his eyes that he liked it.

It was from the album "Cosmic Wheels," but when I go to various places to see if there's a "listen" link, the song list for the album is completely different! WTF?  This is a pic of the original cover:



Anyway, all I want is to find a link that will let me listen to this song again, so I can have some closure.

Thanks.  We now return you to your regularly-scheduled hootenanny, already in progress.


REAL GREAT! STUNNED!

PS
OUR DONOVAN...?

PPS
Really-really?

...and "bad" general RP-rating! Why...?

RICK RUBIN!! Fantastic idea!!!

Cool... haven't heard Donovan in years. takes me back to a time when my only concerns were petrol for my bike and a splif for the evening :)
 Shesdifferent wrote:

Get that Bill? Please play Shawn Phillips on RP......its a must!
 
You guys all know he played on many Donovan songs right? That's why you were reminded?

 rickhoran wrote:


agreed.
 

Yes! Please play some Shawn!
This was written for the movie "The Graduate" but never used..original title was "Please don't bend over in front of me Mrs Robinson"
Donovan using his best sheep voice. Not to bad  a song though.
Shawn Phillips would be nice. Haven't heard his stuff since the 70's.
I vote for some some Shawn Phillips as well. Any music from Second Contribution would be good.

 Shesdifferent wrote:

Get that Bill? Please play Shawn Phillips on RP......its a must!
 

agreed.
 Shesdifferent wrote:

Get that Bill? Please play Shawn Phillips on RP......its a must!
 

{#Yes}
This is a world away from "Hurdy Gurdy" and "Mellow Yellow" — I really like it.
 Gweniviere wrote:
This always reminds me of Shawn Phillips.
 
Get that Bill? Please play Shawn Phillips on RP......its a must!
You know that scene in "Animal House" where John Belushi grabs the guitar and smashes it against the wall?

undeniable talent is undeniable.
I got so sick of Donovan, overplayed in the 60's and early 70's...I was stunned to hear this beautiful piece.  A "9" from me, and I would never have believed it.
such a great song.  Had to move it up to a 9.  _Very_ nicely followed up by Kan'Nal's Space Child I think
This always reminds me of Shawn Phillips.
ch83575 wrote:
I am really sick of this song.  Perhaps once every 5 or 6 years would be ok, but it is way overplayed here.
See, you live in a big world, fellow Earth creature.  Don't assume anything.  First time I've heard it.  Top-notch.


I've heard this so many times on RP and somehow never checked the track info! RP: Helping you discover artists you already knew existed. Now I have to go check out more of his music.
 Aegean wrote:

"Wimpiness" as a criterion for judging music!  Wow!!!  So, we should look to prisons and the WWF for really good rock?  {#Rolleyes}

Americans call themselves a Christian people...  in other words, followers of the
divine wimp!  So, would we say "great philosophy, negated by wimpiness"?  {#Hand}

 
I've spent a bit of time looking at your comment and can only conclude it's some American thing.

Out here in the rest of the world, where we have low incarceration rates and the WWE (the World Wildlife Federation kicked their pansy asses in court) is a joke, I guess we're a little less, um, touchy.