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Posted: Dec 19, 2015 - 6:54am

this may help...



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Posted: Dec 18, 2015 - 5:51pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Folks are upset with Shkreli, but what he was did with drug prices was merely capitalism: supply/demand/profit.

Would people prefer a different model? Government controlled price limits or other interventions?

This isn't what I've been reading on the hyper conservative pages. It's mostly "free market" this or that. Well, this is what free market looks like.

An anything-but-free market.
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Posted: Dec 18, 2015 - 3:18pm

Folks are upset with Shkreli, but what he was did with drug prices was merely capitalism: supply/demand/profit.

Would people prefer a different model? Government controlled price limits or other interventions?

This isn't what I've been reading on the hyper conservative pages. It's mostly "free market" this or that. Well, this is what free market looks like.

 
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Posted: Aug 4, 2015 - 7:04pm

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The comments, man...
 

Does the curvature of the tv match my field of vision? I don't want to be able to see my wife or children.

A: Trust me mate, as soon as the missus sees the receipt you won't be seeing her or the kids again

 

 
{#Lol}
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Posted: Aug 4, 2015 - 6:37pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
The comments, man...
 

Does the curvature of the tv match my field of vision? I don't want to be able to see my wife or children.

A: Trust me mate, as soon as the missus sees the receipt you won't be seeing her or the kids again

 
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Posted: Aug 4, 2015 - 3:47pm

wtf
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Posted: Jan 24, 2015 - 1:32pm

Think of the forces at work in the larger culture that work overtime to situate us within a privatized world of fantasy, spectacle and resentment that is entirely removed from larger social problems and public concerns. For instance, corporate culture, with its unrelenting commercials, carpet-bombs our audio and visual fields with the message that the only viable way to define ourselves is to shop and consume in an orgy of private pursuits. Popular culture traps us in the privatized universe of celebrity culture, urging us to define ourselves through the often empty and trivialized and highly individualized interests of celebrities. Pharmaceutical companies urge us to deal with our problems, largely produced by economic and political forces out of our control, by taking a drug, one that will both chill us out and increase their profit margins. (This has now become an educational measure applied increasingly and indiscriminately to children in our schools.) Pop psychologists urge us to simply think positively, give each other hugs and pull ourselves up by the bootstraps while also insisting that those who confront reality and its mix of complex social issues are, as Chris Hedges points out, defeatists, a negative force that inhibits "our inner essence and power." There is also the culture of militarization, which permeates all aspects of our lives — from our classrooms and the screen culture of reality television to the barrage of violent video games and the blood letting in sports such as popular wrestling — endlessly at work in developing modes of masculinity that celebrate toughness, violence, cruelty, moral indifference and misogyny.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2014 - 6:26pm

"Crapitalism!"


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Posted: Jul 11, 2014 - 12:01pm


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Posted: Aug 15, 2013 - 9:24am

 miamizsun wrote:

from M/W

Definition of CAPITALISM

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

 
So what do we do when the private decisions you allude to end up giving us millenial capitalism, fostering our well-established trend towards economic injustice, inequality, and social insecurity? What's your method for moving us back towards the "peace, justice, mass prosperity and social security" that more and more people enjoyed for a good part of the 20th century? The Constitution doesn't urge the promotion of "the welfare of the individual", but "the general welfare". Ignoring this fundamental principle of our governing document, and focusing solely on the economic rights and privileges of individuals (or corporations), seems rather absurd. You may hope that these individuals will act in a so-called rational way that will benefit everyone, but it seems manifest that expecting this sort of rationality from individuals who control great wealth is hopelessly naive.

Maybe Ford wasn't an ideologically pure lessaiz-faire capitalist, but he seems to have been a pragmatist who accomplished something worthwhile, and helped demonstrate tangibly that economic prosperity is not a zero sum game. Where are the ideologues and pure capitalists who have real world achievements comparable to Ford?


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Posted: Aug 15, 2013 - 5:45am

 aflanigan wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
apparently bono has had an epiphany of reason and logic (breaking through some preconceived barriers/notions on enabled poverty controlled by politicians via aid) and props to him {#Cheers}

at first i thought it was dambisa moyo that influenced him (and i'm sure she did), but it was george ayittey's speech, book and friendship that sparked bono's realization

Bono: “Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid”



I think the validity of this statement depends a great deal on the flavor of capitalism that you are talking about.

Does he mean Henry Ford's version, a.k.a. "stakeholder capitalism?"
In Germany, still a manufacturing and export powerhouse, average hourly pay has risen five times faster since 1985 than in the United States. The secret of Germany’s success, says Klaus Kleinfeld, who ran the German electrical giant Siemens before taking over the American aluminum company Alcoa in 2008, is “the social contract: the willingness of business, labor and political leaders to put aside some of their differences and make agreements in the national interest.”
 
from M/W

Definition of CAPITALISM

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

imho, any other modification to the voluntary exchange of goods and services really isn't capitalism or free market capitalism

politically corrupting that system (crony capitalism and/or corporatism) and turning it 180 degrees from what it was seems to be the mainstream boogeyman that politicians and most academia love to blame

of course if people have sat through some of those academic courses (or read most mainstream text books) it's no wonder they might believe that politically sponsored/motivated info

fordism? ford or any business owner could pay employees any amount they saw fit and for whatever reason, but that still doesn't mean it was a good business decision

as brilliant as henry ford was, he was still subject to error

and in a case where a business owner based employee pay on being able to purchase the product he/they produced without regard to a healthy sustainable business plan, could be disastrous

what if the product was luxury yachts?

eventually the business owner will run out of employees to purchase his product and he will be subject to the market to decide

i haven't looked into germany's business practices in detail recently, but i imagine the big factors are product and productivity

regards
 

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Posted: Aug 14, 2013 - 3:23pm

 miamizsun wrote:
apparently bono has had an epiphany of reason and logic (breaking through some preconceived barriers/notions on enabled poverty controlled by politicians via aid) and props to him {#Cheers}

at first i thought it was dambisa moyo that influenced him (and i'm sure she did), but it was george ayittey's speech, book and friendship that sparked bono's realization

Bono: “Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid”

I think the validity of this statement depends a great deal on the flavor of capitalism that you are talking about.

Does he mean Henry Ford's version, a.k.a. "stakeholder capitalism?"
In Germany, still a manufacturing and export powerhouse, average hourly pay has risen five times faster since 1985 than in the United States. The secret of Germany’s success, says Klaus Kleinfeld, who ran the German electrical giant Siemens before taking over the American aluminum company Alcoa in 2008, is “the social contract: the willingness of business, labor and political leaders to put aside some of their differences and make agreements in the national interest.”


Unfortunately, as the following article points out, Fordism has basically been abandoned.

On Henry Ford's 150th Birthday, his Greatest Insight has Been Tragically Forgotten

This graph from the article comparing corporate profits relative to GDP vs. wages relative to GDP is pretty telling.




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Posted: Aug 13, 2013 - 9:08am

apparently bono has had an epiphany of reason and logic (breaking through some preconceived barriers/notions on enabled poverty controlled by politicians via aid) and props to him {#Cheers}

at first i thought it was dambisa moyo that influenced him (and i'm sure she did), but it was george ayittey's speech, book and friendship that sparked bono's realization

Bono: “Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid”

 
george's ted speech that bono attended




a couple of dambisa's vids






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Posted: Dec 1, 2012 - 12:42pm

Today the evermore wasteful nature of capitalist production, viewed from a qualitative or use-value perspective, is starkly evident. The packaging industry, much of which is devoted to marketing wares, is the third largest industry in the world after food and energy.46 It has been estimated that packaging costs an average of 10–40 percent of non-food produce items purchased. The packaging of cosmetics sometimes costs three times as much to produce as the actual contents within it.47 Around 300 million tons of plastic are produced globally each year. Only two-thirds of this is enough, according to the Guardian, “to cover the 48 contiguous states of the U.S. in plastic food wrapping.” Advertising for some products, such as soap or beer, is 10–12 percent of the retail cost per unit sold, while with some toys advertising is 15 percent of the retail cost.48 The sales promotion budgets of corporations meanwhile are often three times that of their advertising budgets.49 More than a trillion dollars was spent on marketing in the United States in 2005 alone.50

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Posted: Nov 17, 2012 - 3:57pm

 MrsHobieJoe wrote:
 hippiechick wrote:

tHE PRIVATE EQUITY GUYS ALWAYS GET PAID UPFRONT.

 

huh, that's not how it works.

If you invest into a business you put cash in in the form of equity and loans. The fund managers of the PE firm would be paid anyways, but the actual investment is a genuine one. There will probably be lots of wealthy people investing into a fund like Carlyle and that will make a number of PE investments on the fund holders behalf. The proportion of successes and failures needs to be right or the fund has failed.

Nb private equity covers quite a wide variety of investment, this is a classic example.

 
Errrm, I thought that the investor with his sack of money gave it to a PE firm to invest on their behalf. What then happens seems to me to be some what arcane, but as far as I can tell, companies that were happily making stuff for people to buy and earning enough to pay their staff, invest in new products and pay a reasonable dividend to their stockholders suddenly found themselves snaffled up by some PE fund, their assets stripped, most of their staff laid off or offshored, everything possible - property or plant - sold off, and then got laden with "debts", from gods know where, that they didn't need this time last week.
 
PE fund then sell firm on as a paradigm of efficiency, just before the ediface comes crashing down, the foundations hollowed out by swingeing cost cutting, but mainly crushed by the tax-deductable debt loaded onto the poor old company.
 
And so it goes.
 
I know this is a gross simplification, but why do so many perfectly happy, profitable companies go down the pan because of their debt obligations when they didn't really have that much debt at all before the PE guys decided to "invest" in them?
 
Harrumph.
 
 
Bed time for me, I think.
 

 


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Posted: Nov 17, 2012 - 1:47pm

 hippiechick wrote:

tHE PRIVATE EQUITY GUYS ALWAYS GET PAID UPFRONT.

 



huh, that's not how it works.



If you invest into a business you put cash in in the form of equity and loans. The fund managers of the PE firm would be paid anyways, but the actual investment is a genuine one. There will probably be lots of wealthy people investing into a fund like Carlyle and that will make a number of PE investments on the fund holders behalf. The proportion of successes and failures needs to be right or the fund has failed.



Nb private equity covers quite a wide variety of investment, this is a classic example.


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Posted: Nov 17, 2012 - 1:37pm

 Zep wrote:

Wrong.

Who's to Blame for the Hostess Bankruptcy: Wall Street, Unions, or Carbs?

"This is not a simple story that anybody should try to slot neatly into their political talking points. It's not just about Wall Street preying on Main Street, or big bad labor unions sucking a wholesome American company dry. It's about an entire galaxy of bad decisions that will cost many people their jobs and money."  
-Jordan Weissman, Atlantic.

"The private equity guys will likely lose most of their investment, since their stake in the company will be worthless. It's also not clear that the hedge funds and other lenders that supplied Hostess with its mountain of loans will fare much better." 

"As far as the unions go: You can blame them for not making enough concessions. You can blame the bakers for administering the final death blow. But you can't blame them for management's strategic incompetence, or the decision to try to run a flailing company on debt, hope, and empty calories."

Rarely are things as black and white as you think they are.

 

 
tHE PRIVATE EQUITY GUYS ALWAYS GET PAID UPFRONT.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2012 - 12:33pm

 hippiechick wrote: 
Wrong.

Who's to Blame for the Hostess Bankruptcy: Wall Street, Unions, or Carbs?

"This is not a simple story that anybody should try to slot neatly into their political talking points. It's not just about Wall Street preying on Main Street, or big bad labor unions sucking a wholesome American company dry. It's about an entire galaxy of bad decisions that will cost many people their jobs and money."  
-Jordan Weissman, Atlantic.

"The private equity guys will likely lose most of their investment, since their stake in the company will be worthless. It's also not clear that the hedge funds and other lenders that supplied Hostess with its mountain of loans will fare much better." 

"As far as the unions go: You can blame them for not making enough concessions. You can blame the bakers for administering the final death blow. But you can't blame them for management's strategic incompetence, or the decision to try to run a flailing company on debt, hope, and empty calories."

Rarely are things as black and white as you think they are.

 


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