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Posted: Dec 28, 2020 - 6:51am

kurtster wrote:
Funny thing about you all who constantly bitch about Trump's lying.  You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.

The previous guy had a bunch of whoppers like " shovel ready projects " and "you can keep your doctor " and "you can keep your plan " even though he passed legislation that made the last two impossible just by the very nature of what the legislation mandated.

You all have replaced him with an even bigger liar.  40 plus years of whoppers all on the record while being an elected federal office holder as well as I believe at least twice caught outright plagiarist.

Can't wait for the Biden Lies thread.

But who cares really? All presidents lie. Whatabout...

Do you understand the implications of the blank check you're writing?
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Posted: Dec 27, 2020 - 8:30pm


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Posted: Dec 10, 2020 - 11:13pm

Fallacious Trump
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Posted: Dec 10, 2020 - 2:34pm

A Political Obituary for Donald Trump
Presidents lie routinely, about everything from war to sex to their health. When the lies are consequential enough, they have a corrosive effect on democracy. Lyndon B. Johnson deceived Americans about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and everything else concerning the Vietnam War. Richard Nixon’s lifelong habit of prevaricating gave him the nickname “Tricky Dick.” After Vietnam and Watergate, Americans never fully recovered their trust in government. But these cases of presidential lying came from a time when the purpose was limited and rational: to cover up a scandal, make a disaster disappear, mislead the public in service of a particular goal. In a sense, Americans expected a degree of fabrication from their leaders. After Jimmy Carter, in his 1976 campaign, promised, “I’ll never lie to you,” and then pretty much kept his word, voters sent him back to Georgia. Ronald Reagan’s gauzy fictions were far more popular.

Trump’s lies were different. They belonged to the postmodern era. They were assaults against not this or that fact, but reality itself. They spread beyond public policy to invade private life, clouding the mental faculties of everyone who had to breathe his air, dissolving the very distinction between truth and falsehood. Their purpose was never the conventional desire to conceal something shameful from the public. He was stunningly forthright about things that other presidents would have gone to great lengths to keep secret: his true feelings about Senator John McCain and other war heroes; his eagerness to get rid of disloyal underlings; his desire for law enforcement to protect his friends and hurt his enemies; his effort to extort a foreign leader for dirt on a political adversary; his affection for Kim Jong Un and admiration for Vladimir Putin; his positive view of white nationalists; his hostility toward racial and religious minorities; and his contempt for women.

The most mendacious of Trump’s predecessors would have been careful to limit these thoughts to private recording systems. Trump spoke them openly, not because he couldn’t control his impulses, but intentionally, even systematically, in order to demolish the norms that would otherwise have constrained his power. To his supporters, his shamelessness became a badge of honesty and strength. They grasped the message that they, too, could say whatever they wanted without apology. To his opponents, fighting by the rules—even in as small a way as calling him “President Trump”—seemed like a sucker’s game. So the level of American political language was everywhere dragged down, leaving a gaping shame deficit.

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Posted: Dec 1, 2020 - 5:30pm

The circumspect warning labels in recent weeks need to be replaced with brutal humdingers that ridicule Trump without mercy or special consideration. If I were Jack Dorsey, I’d be hiring insult comics to respond to Trump’s pathetic tweets in real time. The best way to make a bully stop bullying is to punch him square in the mouth. Twitter needs to lose the coddling language of “claim” and “disputed” and “differently.” It needs to stop pulling its punches. What Twitter needs is a new bucket of warning labels for this radioactive lame duck:

“Every single word above is FALSE.” “Grifters gonna grift.” “Sean Hannity just admitted he doesn’t vet info on his show.” “We should change this username from @realDonaldTrump to @realPinocchio because this wooden puppet is lying his ass off.” “The only person who believes any of this has a name that rhymes with Windsee Bayhem.” “We are calling BS on this lol.” “There are lies, damned lies and everything that comes out of this account now.”

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 11:25pm

The “Projection is Confession” chapter advanced a basic principle of Donald Trump’s ‘tells’, the giveaways of his true meaning and intentions: Trump tells you exactly what he's doing by what he accuses others of doing.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:46pm

kurtster is right to a point....

Trump is not some historical aberration.  He is a particularly ugly mirror for the rest of us.  

We all lie or lie by omission whether it is romance, work or politics.   We expect our politicians to find workable compromises between constituencies with different views, values and information sets.

Trump's flaw is that he appears to lie more often than he tells the truth.   There is nothing wrong with a few lies here and there but he takes the mendacious art form to an extreme rarely observed elsewhere.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 2:09pm


 kurtster wrote:
Funny thing about you all who constantly bitch about Trump's lying.  You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.
 
That's a bit like saying "Ted Bundy wasn't really so bad...I mean look at how many people have murdered someone."


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 12:09pm



 kurtster wrote:
Funny thing about you all who constantly bitch about Trump's lying.  You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.
 

He's draining the swamp tho.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 10:05am



 kurtster wrote:
Funny thing about you all who constantly bitch about Trump's lying.  You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.

The previous guy had a bunch of whoppers like " shovel ready projects " and "you can keep your doctor " and "you can keep your plan " even though he passed legislation that made the last two impossible just by the very nature of what the legislation mandated.

You all have replaced him with an even bigger liar.  40 plus years of whoppers all on the record while being an elected federal office holder as well as I believe at least twice caught outright plagiarist.

Can't wait for the Biden Lies thread.
 
I don't think anyone is saying that Trump is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office, but his lying is unprecedented in American politics; you can't be serious comparing him to anyone else.  He has made over 20,000 false or misleading claims since taking office.  No prior politician is even close - even if you combined thirty of them  Some of the lies he has repeated over 20 times (e.g. Mexico will pay for the wall, China is paying the tariffs on their exported goods, we have strongest economy ever, 33,000 mining jobs have been added since my inauguration, we’ve got the cleanest country on the planet right now, doctors get more money if somebody dies from COVID, Muslims were dancing and celebrating in NJ after the 9/11 attacks, Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,  I've done more for the black community than any president, etc....

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 8:31pm

 strawster wrote:
You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.


Funda-mentally dishonest.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 7:58pm

Funny thing about you all who constantly bitch about Trump's lying.  You all make it sound like he is the only one who has ever told a lie while in office.

The previous guy had a bunch of whoppers like " shovel ready projects " and "you can keep your doctor " and "you can keep your plan " even though he passed legislation that made the last two impossible just by the very nature of what the legislation mandated.

You all have replaced him with an even bigger liar.  40 plus years of whoppers all on the record while being an elected federal office holder as well as I believe at least twice caught outright plagiarist.

Can't wait for the Biden Lies thread.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 7:56pm

The King of Trump TV Thinks You’re Dumb Enough to Buy It
Chris Ruddy, the C.E.O. of Newsmax, has found a business opportunity in feeding Trump supporters the fantasy that the president could still win the election.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 5:26pm

Nobel Prize in Medicine!
"I came up with vaccines that people didn't think we'd have for five years"
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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 3:24pm

Everybody's in on it!
In his first one-on-one interview since losing to Biden, Trump baselessly cast more conspiracy theories.
President Trump said on Sunday that the F.B.I. and the Justice Department might be “involved” in what he again groundlessly called a fraudulent presidential election, hinting that the nation’s law enforcement agencies were biased against his fading efforts to remain in office.

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 7:21pm


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Posted: Nov 25, 2020 - 5:55pm

“This was an election that we won easily. We won it by a lot.

“This election has to be turned around.”

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020 - 10:30am


Just lying kidding!





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Posted: Nov 19, 2020 - 12:38pm

I thought firehosing was something adolescent and young adult men do after drinking too much beer.
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Posted: Nov 19, 2020 - 11:55am

 rgio wrote:
The firehose of falsehood, or firehosing:  

a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. Since 2014, when it was successfully used by Russia during its annexation of Crimea, this model has been adopted by other governments and political movements around the world.

Bannon is advising the WH on how to run a disinformation campaign.
 
Flooding the zone with sh!t
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"Well, it’s totally on brand, first of all. Not sure when he’s ever shown respect for the rules or the norms. But mostly what I saw was a desperate man. I am fairly certain he probably went into this debate knowing that he had to flood the zone, which is one of his favorite tactics, to avoid serious, in-depth policy discussions, because his administration has failed on the policy level across the board."

Gish gallop

WMDs!

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