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Posted: Nov 6, 2018 - 3:42pm

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And so posting ad infinitum every time he uses the wrong soup spoon is just tiresome.

Take heart, only two more years to go. Or, in a worst case scenario, six. 
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Posted: Nov 6, 2018 - 3:29pm



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Trump is due for a similar political reckoning. 
 
Yes, and keeping track of his mistakes and lies and failed promises (repeal and replace Obamacare! tax cuts for the middle class! better drug prices! big beautiful wall paid for by Mexico!- all promises broken) is very very important.

My point is that there's a subset of America that doesn't care about facts. And so posting ad infinitum every time he uses the wrong soup spoon is just tiresome. The folks with open eyes have been converted, and the others cannot be.

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Posted: Nov 6, 2018 - 2:33pm

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Counting Trump's lies does matter. Trump's support among his base seems bullet-proof right now, thanks largely to a pretty healthy economy and Fox's willingness to support those lies and regurgitate them to that base. But that support will not last forever and documentation of his lies now will prove later to Americans disillusioned with Trump that he was a lying sham all along. 

Take a look at the trajectory of GW Bush's popularity.  Bush started his presidency at around 60% approval rating. That number slipped to around 50% before 9/11. Shortly after the WTC attack, his approval rating shot up to 85% and peaked around 92%. 

As we're all painfully aware, things really fell apart for Bush after that. Americans eventually wised up to the fact that 

* there was no active WMD program in Iraq

* we'd been duped into invading Iraq

* we had too few troops in country and no plan for getting out or stabilizing Iraq

* we were pointlessly torturing prisoners and getting no real intelligence from them

* our intelligence agencies had created massive and largely unregulated surveillance programs directed at us

* our supposed homeland security and disaster relief programs failed and a major city drowned

* our federal government's incredibly lax oversight of mortgage and Wall street practices brought our economy to the point of very near collapse in a very short period of time

etc. 
Many of the lies foisted on us by the Bush administration were so contradicted by facts that many of his supporters woke up and abandoned him. Towards the end of Bush's second term, opinions had changed: Bush's approval rating was down to 25%. And there's this factoid from Wikipedia: 

In an August 2008 Rasmussen poll, likely voters were asked the question "Will history rate George W. Bush as the worst President ever?"— 50% responded "no", 41% said "yes" and 9% were "unsure".<8>


Trump is due for a similar political reckoning. 
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Posted: Nov 6, 2018 - 1:52pm

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Posted: Nov 6, 2018 - 12:12pm

President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims over 649 days
If President Trump’s torrent of words has seemed overwhelming of late, there’s a good reason for that.

In the first nine months of his presidency, Trump made 1,318 false or misleading claims, an average of five a day. But in the seven weeks leading up the midterm elections, the president made 1,419 false or misleading claims — an average of 30 a day.

Combined with the rest of his presidency, that adds up to a total of 6,420 claims through Oct. 30, the 649th day of his term in office, according to The Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president.

The flood of presidential misinformation has picked up dramatically as the president has barnstormed across the country, holding rallies with his supporters. Each of those rallies usually yields 35 to 45 suspect claims. But the president often has tacked on interviews with local media (in which he repeats the same false statements) and gaggles with the White House press corps before and after his trips.

So that adds up to 84 claims on Oct. 1, when he held a rally in Johnson City, Tenn.; 83 claims on Oct. 22, when he held a rally in Houston; and 78 claims on Oct. 19, when he held a rally in Mesa, Ariz.

Put another way: September was the second-biggest month of the Trump presidency, with 599 false and misleading claims. But that paled next to October, with almost double: 1,104 claims, not counting Oct. 31.

The burden of keeping track of this verbiage has consumed the weekends and nights of The Fact Checker staff. We originally had planned to include Oct. 31 in this update, but the prospect of wading through 20 tweets and the nearly 10,000 words Trump spoke that day was too daunting for our deadline.

The president’s proclivity to twist data and fabricate stories is on full display at his rallies. He has his greatest hits: 120 times he had falsely said he passed the biggest tax cut in history, 80 times he has asserted that the U.S. economy today is the best in history and 74 times he has falsely said his border wall is already being built. (Congress has allocated only $1.6 billion for fencing, but Trump also frequently mentioned additional funding that has not yet been appropriated.)

But there are many curious moments, too, suggesting the president is walled off from contradictory information. (...)

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Posted: Nov 4, 2018 - 4:38pm



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I know a lot of people revere him, but that moment sealed the deal for me. He can never walk back that lie.
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Posted: Nov 4, 2018 - 3:37pm

Donald Trump Makes Up Poll Touting African-American Support
President continues telling tall tales leading up to elections

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Posted: Nov 2, 2018 - 3:17pm


TRUMP’S MOST LOYAL STOOGE BLOWS UP HIS MIDTERM HAIL MARY

 



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Posted: Nov 2, 2018 - 12:57pm

Colin Powell: 'We've come to live in a society based on insults, on lies'

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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 6:29pm

U.S. midterms fact-check guide: What Trump has said in recent weeks, and what doesn’t add up
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 2:30pm

(...) the need to lie so relentlessly about all these matters itself constitutes an admission of failure.
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 8:39am

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Does anyone know of a running list of lies that I can point to; one that includes citations or fact checks?

 

   There's also this one.   A little more complete and sortable.  They're keeping a running total too which is now up to 3,084.
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 7:04am

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Thanks!!!!
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 6:55am

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Does anyone know of a running list of lies that I can point to; one that includes citations or fact checks?

 
All False statements involving Donald Trump
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 6:36am

Does anyone know of a running list of lies that I can point to; one that includes citations or fact checks?
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Posted: Oct 31, 2018 - 6:08am

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Brilliant legal scholars they're not. Trump was probably blowing smoke anyway, throwing some red meat to his base before the election...

 
I think that's more of what he was trying - another one of his pie-in-the-sky spasms, like the 10% tax cut being worked on by the out-of-session Congress.  You all get a pony!!!
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Posted: Oct 30, 2018 - 2:10pm

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The continued horrific abuse of Exceptionalistan...
Trump suggests he will end birthright citizenship with executive order
President falsely claimed US is ‘the only country in the world’ to endow the right and that he would move to sign order ending it
In the interview with Axios, Trump falsely claimed: “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits.” He added: “It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end.”

In fact, dozens of states around the world, including Canada and Brazil, endow the same right. Countries such as the UK and Australia endow a restricted version.

(...)

Constitutional amendments cannot be overridden by the president and can only be altered by a two-thirds majority in both chambers of Congress or support from two-thirds of state governments.

Nonetheless, attempts to curtail the right to citizenship at birth have long been pursued by hardliners in the Republican party. Legislation has been proposed in both the Senate and the House in recent years but has never passed a vote.

On Tuesday, the Republican senator Lindsey Graham said he would introduce legislation to support Trump’s plan. In a statement, he said his measure would be “along the same lines” as the executive order. He did not give any details or timeline

Brilliant legal scholars they're not. Trump was probably blowing smoke anyway, throwing some red meat to his base before the election, but there is an argument that's been tossed around right-wing circles for a while claiming that the 14th amendment doesn't say what it plainly does. This article is a compact shredding of that argument.

If they try this in Congress it would likely die the slow, lingering death it deserves in the Senate. If it's tried as an executive order it would be instantly challenged in court and would fail very quickly. If it makes it as far as the Supremes we can be grateful that Trump's appointments have been textualists/originalists.

When rooting for judges be careful what you wish for.
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Posted: Oct 30, 2018 - 11:07am

The continued horrific abuse of Exceptionalistan...
Trump suggests he will end birthright citizenship with executive order
President falsely claimed US is ‘the only country in the world’ to endow the right and that he would move to sign order ending it
In the interview with Axios, Trump falsely claimed: “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits.” He added: “It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end.”

In fact, dozens of states around the world, including Canada and Brazil, endow the same right. Countries such as the UK and Australia endow a restricted version.

(...)

Constitutional amendments cannot be overridden by the president and can only be altered by a two-thirds majority in both chambers of Congress or support from two-thirds of state governments.

Nonetheless, attempts to curtail the right to citizenship at birth have long been pursued by hardliners in the Republican party. Legislation has been proposed in both the Senate and the House in recent years but has never passed a vote.

On Tuesday, the Republican senator Lindsey Graham said he would introduce legislation to support Trump’s plan. In a statement, he said his measure would be “along the same lines” as the executive order. He did not give any details or timeline.

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