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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 7:17pm

And, there are no articles I can find suggesting that wearing a mask is worrisome for those with diabetes, especially in the arena of hypercapnia.

Specific reminders for people with diabetes:

  • “I tell patients to be a bit OCD about hand washing — be very compulsive about that.”
  • “Get a flu shot, because you can prevent any form of the flu, and that’s always beneficial.”
  • “Be very careful around people who have signs of respiratory illnesses who are coughing, sneezing, etc. Keep your distance or just try to be very cautious about physical contact with them.”
  • “In general, face masks are not a very effective preventive option. It’s more… (about) the hand washing and getting your flu shot.”
  • “A humid environment is also beneficial. If your house is dry, especially in the wintertime, use a humidifier. The first place where germs can penetrate into the body is the nasal passages and if they dry out due to dry air, you’re kind of opening the door and marshaling germs into your system.”

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 7:09pm

I'm taking the discussion in another forum over here.

FTA: There should be no issue "unless you are wearing a plastic impermeable mask," he said in an emailed response, adding however that care needs to be taken with very young children.

Prolonged use of face masks unlikely to cause hypercapnia (too much carbon dioxide)

and

FALSE: Prolonged face mask use causes hypoxia, hypercapnia


I mean, really, this stuff is easy to find instead of spreading easily debunked rumors. Why do people choose to be uninformed?
(Answer: it seems they have a world view that they can't imagine changing.)
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 4:51pm

UN assembly approves pandemic resolution; US, Israel object
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 12:41pm

Trumpolini prefers "good news" and the minions know it...
The health department’s politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports’ authors and water down their communications to health professionals.

In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump's optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation. (...)

Caputo also said that HHS was appropriately reviewing the CDC's reports. “Our intention is to make sure that evidence, science-based data drives policy through this pandemic—not ulterior deep state motives in the bowels of CDC," he said.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 5:24pm

'It’s world-leadingly bad, is what it is': the week Covid surged again in UK
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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 2:54am

                                           Pepe Escobar - From 9/11 to the Great Reset
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Posted: Sep 10, 2020 - 9:13pm


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Posted: Sep 9, 2020 - 6:03pm

Crowds eschew masks at Trump rally as president mocks Biden over social distancing
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Posted: Sep 9, 2020 - 9:50am

NPR Poll: Financial Pain From Coronavirus Pandemic 'Much, Much Worse' Than Expected
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Posted: Sep 9, 2020 - 9:40am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah...not so much.

This delves into the methodology of the analysis, which was very, very sloppy. Another case of peer review by press release.

No, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Didn't Spawn 250,000 Coronavirus Cases


According to South Dakota health officials, 124 new cases in the state—including one fatal case—were directly linked to the rally. Overall, COVID-19 cases linked to the Sturgis rally were reported in 11 states as of September 2, to a tune of at least 260 new cases, according to The Washington Post.There very well may be more cases that have been linked to the early August event, but so far, that's only 260 confirmed cases—about 0.1 percent of the number the IZA paper offers.

To get to the astronomical number of cases allegedly spread because of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the researchers analyzed "anonymized cellphone data to track the smartphone pings from non-residents and movement of those before and after the event," notes Newsweek. "The study then linked those who attended and traveled back to their home states, and compared changes in coronavirus trends after the rally's conclusion."

Essentially, the researchers assumed that new cases in areas where people went post-rally must have been spread by those rally attendees, despite there being no particular evidence that this was the case. The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, also failed to account for simultaneous happenings—like schools in South Dakota reopening, among other things—that could have contributed to coronavirus spread in some of the studied areas.

The researchers also assumed a $46,000 treatment price for each person infected to calculate the $12.2 billion public health cost of the event—but this figure would only make sense if every person had a severe case requiring hospitalization.

The results of the IZA paper "do not align with what we know," South Dakota epidemiologist Joshua Clayton said at a Tuesday news briefing.

The IZA paper "isn't science; it's fiction," Gov. Kristi Noem (R) said.

It's also good election-time propaganda, apparently. Despite the dubious nature of the IZA study, a range of Democratic consultants and cheerleaders have been using it to condemn President Donald Trump

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Posted: Sep 9, 2020 - 9:38am

‘The 1918 flu is still with us’: The deadliest pandemic ever is still causing problems today
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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 3:45pm

Some 'crazy' food for thought; attention, satire ahead


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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 3:13pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

I have searched and have seen article after article stating that the protest have caused no surge in covid cases at all, but have found several articles stating like the one you just posted that this and other political rallies as well as parties are causing significant spikes.   Question is, are we dealing with a sentient politically active virus?  How does it know the difference between a protest and a rally or party?  This should be interesting scientist and the medical community greatly.   Quite an interesting phenomenon fit for a science fiction movie.  Fascinating stuff.
 
I only had a quick look at that paper and have to take their word for the validity of the method until other experts chime in. I read that both BLM and the Tulsa Trump rally were not major spreaders; possible explanations mainly have to do with social distancing, masks, and importantly, the community controls such as closing bars. So, no, it isn't about the politics although you might claim this proves both sides are the same.
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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 1:45pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

Thank you that is at least a reasonable response that seems plausible and grounded in science somewhat.  Though this does not offer an explanation on how they can be so sure that there were no surges caused by the protest.  How do they know that?  It really does not make any sense to anyone who is involved in rational thinking.
 
You can read about the methods of one "study"
.  They don't claim to "be so sure there were no surges caused by the protests" but it explains how they determined little change in transmission due to protests with dates and locations of protests and changes in transmission rates, etc...if one has the energy to read through it all.   Their data-gathering methods were far from perfect, but it's not as if they could wait years for results, and I don't especially agree with their conclusions but it is certainly not "irrational thinking" on their part.  

"...However, whether the Black Lives Matter protests actually caused a net increase in
population level spread of COVID-19 is an open question. While the protests themselves were
large gatherings that do not match well with social distancing guidelines, the protesting
population is not the only one that may have had a behavioral response. For example, other
individuals who did not wish to participate in the protests, perhaps due to fear of violence from
police clashes or general unrest, may have chosen to avoid public spaces while protests were
underway. This could have an offsetting effect, increasing social distancing behavior in other
parts of the population.
The net effect, on both social distancing and on the spread of COVID-19
is thus an empirical question, and the focus of this study.
Using anonymous cell phone tracking data from SafeGraph, Inc., as well as data on the
local prevalence of COVID-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we
demonstrate that cities which had protests saw a net increase in social distancing behavior for the
overall population relative to cities that did not..."

I don't recall anyone of any science or research background claiming that there was no transmission due to the protests, but by the same token, I'm not sure how they could positively trace spikes in transmission to things like rallies without knowing the names of the people. That original article also seems a little speculative to me as well.  Still, it's hard to make a very accurate study with data that is now new about a disease that is still a mystery in many ways.   Also, as BHD pointed out: indoor and outdoor gatherings, as well as the wearing of masks, could make a big difference.
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 12:39pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

I have searched and have seen article after article stating that the protest have caused no surge in covid cases at all, but have found several articles stating like the one you just posted that this and other political rallies as well as parties are causing significant spikes.   Question is, are we dealing with a sentient politically active virus?  How does it know the difference between a protest and a rally or party?  This should be interesting scientist and the medical community greatly.   Quite an interesting phenomenon fit for a science fiction movie.  Fascinating stuff.
 
Not defending the article (which I have some questions about too) but protests happen outdoors, with folks wearing masks because of tear gas. This rally took place in a helluva lotta bars and music venues, tightly packed. Apples and orange, methinks.

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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 11:53am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I have searched and have seen article after article stating that the protest have caused no surge in covid cases at all, but have found several articles stating like the one you just posted that this and other political rallies as well as parties are causing significant spikes.   Question is, are we dealing with a sentient politically active virus?  How does it know the difference between a protest and a rally or party?  This should be interesting scientist and the medical community greatly.   Quite an interesting phenomenon fit for a science fiction movie.  Fascinating stuff.
 
I suspect that since Sturgis was scheduled about 50 years ago, it was possible to have observers in place to get less-anecdotal evidence.

 
Thank you that is at least a reasonable response that seems plausible and grounded in science somewhat.  Though this does not offer an explanation on how they can be so sure that there were no surges caused by the protest.  How do they know that?  It really does not make any sense to anyone who is involved in rational thinking.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 11:32am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I have searched and have seen article after article stating that the protest have caused no surge in covid cases at all, but have found several articles stating like the one you just posted that this and other political rallies as well as parties are causing significant spikes.   Question is, are we dealing with a sentient politically active virus?  How does it know the difference between a protest and a rally or party?  This should be interesting scientist and the medical community greatly.   Quite an interesting phenomenon fit for a science fiction movie.  Fascinating stuff.
 
I suspect that since Sturgis was scheduled about 50 years ago, it was possible to have observers in place to get less-anecdotal evidence.

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Posted: Sep 8, 2020 - 10:44am

Why are authoritarian leaders who thrive on crises and who are fluent in the politics of fear reluctant to embrace the opportunity? Why do they seem to hate a crisis that they should love? The answer is straightforward: Authoritarians only enjoy those crises they have manufactured themselves. They need enemies to defeat, not problems to solve. The freedom authoritarian leaders cherish most is the freedom to choose which crises merit a response. It is this capacity that allows them to project an image of Godlike power.

In pre-Covid-19 Russia, Mr. Putin could “solve” one crisis by ginning up another. He reversed the decline of his popularity after the protest movement of 2011-12 by dramatically annexing Crimea. Mr. Trump could once claim that migrant caravans from Mexico are the greatest threat his country is facing, and disregard the civilizational threat of climate change. In the age of coronavirus, this is no longer possible.

There is just this one crisis, here and now: the pandemic. And governments are being judged by how they manage it. Authoritarian actors not only loathe crises they have not freely chosen, they also dislike “exceptional situations” that force them to respond with standardized rules and protocols rather than with ad hoc, discretionary moves. Mundane behaviors like physical distancing, self-isolation and handwashing are the best ways to halt the spread of the virus. A leader’s bold stroke of genius will be of no help. Following rules is not the same as obeying orders.

Even more threatening for authoritarian elites in the Covid-19 world is that they lack the key advantage all democratic leaders enjoy: The luxury to survive even when appearing weak. Imagine that Mr. Putin orders all Russian citizens to wear masks and half of the population elect not to. For a democratic leader, this would be an embarrassment; for an authoritarian it is a direct challenge to his power.

The ubiquity of the disease also poses challenges for authoritarians. Because the pandemic affects every country in the world, citizens can compare the actions of their governments with those of others. Success or failure at flattening the curve provides a common metric, making cross-national comparisons possible and putting pressure on governments that had previously succeeded in insulating themselves from public criticism.

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