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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 1:23pm


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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 1:17pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Someone once said: ya ain't gonna learn what ya don't wanna know...


then what happened?
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 12:18pm

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If this website is your definitive view of the pandemic, the research around it, and the current state of medical science you should look for a different comedian/financial blogger/bricklayer to get your news from.

She makes a number of breathless claims backed up by links...which she has not apparently read. They don't support her claims. In fact many of them directly contradict her claims. I don't have time to go into all of them; she's wrong on almost everything. But I will take on the bolded claim above.

It's wrong. It's spectacularly wrong. You can read all about it here.

But that's just another link to a science-y thing! How do you know it's legit and not propaganda from the Lizard People running the FEMA camps that want to knock your door down, wrestle you to the ground, and inject you with deadly poison and a microchip? Well..it's linked in the article you posted. She tries to use it to prove that Pfizer and Moderna had claimed that their vaccines were "100% effective", a claim only she seems to have heard, but it does have a lot of factual information about the various vaccines and their effectiveness. It's worth a read.

I'm not going to wade thru the rest of it. There is finite time in my day, but she seems to have all the time in the world to spew this nonsense. But if you have time for this apply your skepticism to people who draw conclusions you agree with.


Someone once said: ya ain't gonna learn what ya don't wanna know...
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 12:11pm

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I doubt this. The only thing vaccinations have proven to do is to protect those getting vaccinated from serious symptoms when they are exposed that could lead to hospitalizations or death or at least reducing the odds of such an outcome. They do not prevent infection and spread ergo vaccinated are actually more of a threat to the unvaccinated than the other way around. So yes vaccines improve the safety of those being vaccinated, but not those that are unvaccinated. This means the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at a higher risk and at this point knowingly. This is why the treatment of our health care workers is unconscionable.

Covid-19 natural immunity compared to vaccine-induced immunity: The definitive summary


If this website is your definitive view of the pandemic, the research around it, and the current state of medical science you should look for a different comedian/financial blogger/bricklayer to get your news from.

She makes a number of breathless claims backed up by links...which she has not apparently read. They don't support her claims. In fact many of them directly contradict her claims. I don't have time to go into all of them; she's wrong on almost everything. But I will take on the bolded claim above.

It's wrong. It's spectacularly wrong. You can read all about it here.

But that's just another link to a science-y thing! How do you know it's legit and not propaganda from the Lizard People running the FEMA camps that want to knock your door down, wrestle you to the ground, and inject you with deadly poison and a microchip? Well..it's linked in the article you posted. She tries to use it to prove that Pfizer and Moderna had claimed that their vaccines were "100% effective", a claim only she seems to have heard, but it does have a lot of factual information about the various vaccines and their effectiveness. It's worth a read.

I'm not going to wade thru the rest of it. There is finite time in my day, but she seems to have all the time in the world to spew this nonsense. But if you have time for this apply your skepticism to people who draw conclusions you agree with.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 12:00pm

On a flight last night there was a woman behind me talking on the phone and I was getting bits of it. She was pretty staid, but later it turns out she was talking about her father.
"Yeah, he's stable for now
Pretty embarrassed, tho
Found out when he got up to go to the bathroom he desaturated to the 70s O2 level
Now they're making him use the bathroom in bed
They're keeping him on his side and lying on his stomach
They started two new medicines on him that they're hoping will help
Pretty scared and was crying but he's never been good with illness We'll check in on him later"

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 12:00pm

 black321 wrote:


I think a key requirement in the "freedom of choice" position is that if you choose not to vax, then you also must choose to stay the f#$k away from the rest of us, and/or take every precaution when you do peek your mug outside your door. 

It's the mind-boggling stupidity of being both anti-vax AND anti-mask.



Stripping away the obvious political red-lines that were drawn early in the sand... it is stupid but seems often to go lock-step together along with flaunting social distancing norms.

Some people don't have the sense to do what they need to to save themselves and protect others. They would rather talk about their loss of "rights" forgetting that others are entitled to a "right to live" and shouldn't have that right imperiled by those with self-centered myopic views or are grandstanding to get some attention.

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 11:47am

Some appear to have forgotten primum non nocere...
State medical boards vs. COVID-19 misinformation, an update
The disinformation epidemic about COVID-19 has pushed state medical boards to consider disciplining physicians who promote COVID-19 disinformation. How would that work? What are the obstacles? Is it even possible? It should be, but it will be messy and complicated.
A little over a month ago, I wrote about how the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) had recently issued a statement asserting that physicians who spread COVID-19 misinformation should be subject to disciplinary measures by their state medical boards up to and including revocation of their medical licenses. Given that there have been some developments on that front since then, I thought that now would be a good time for an update and a bit more discussion on the general issue of what should be done about physicians who promote misinformation not just about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines, but medical misinformation, antivaccine conspiracy theories, and pseudoscience in general. At the time of my original post, I expressed major skepticism that the FSMB’s statement would result in any action. The situation is perhaps not as bad as I had predicted then, but it’s also not so great, either. (...)

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 11:14am

The fear of Delta, more than rewards or mandates, is motivating Americans to get shots, a survey finds.

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 10:53am

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I just find it interesting that with this much time living with COVID and seeing the devastation that has resulted from it...

...people are still trying to find justifications for not taking the vaccine. How many stories of unvaccinated people on their hospital death-beds asking for the vaccine too late does one need to hear to understand their final desperation and acknowledgement that they could have probably saved themselves if they had just used a little more "smarts"?

I just wish that their decision only impacted them as in a "I'm not going to bother to wear my seatbelt" kind of way.
 
We all know now it doesn't, and the ramifications are potentially more far reaching. Even if you don't spread it to someone else if you wind up in a hospital you are taxing hospital resources, beds, doctors & nurses who could be focused on other priorities. Is the avoidance of death (your own & others) worth the price of a little personal freedom?... how in the hell can it not be? I have a hard time with the selfishness, laziness & ignorance of those who truly believe otherwise.  




I think a key requirement in the "freedom of choice" position is that if you choose not to vax, then you also must choose to stay the f#$k away from the rest of us, and/or take every precaution when you do peek your mug outside your door. 

It's the mind-boggling stupidity of being both anti-vax AND anti-mask.

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 10:36am

 rgio wrote:
Simple statements like "I'd never"...

Usually indicate a lack of imagination.


690,558 U.S. citizens have failed to achieve "natural immunity."
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 9:51am

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Being a caregiver (untrained, on call 24/7) very often kills the caregiver before the person being cared for. The person I quoted lived it with her mother-in-law, who died 6 years before her invalid husband, cared for in his home, by her. (aside: His last words, as he called his son close to his side, "...we're Jewish." *cark* ), and is living it currently with her own mother. She's the only one of her 6 siblings who still lives in the same town, grandma is hale and hearty but "not there." She needs to be someplace where she won't burn the place down (always turns on a burner on the stove then forgets she was going to cook, so the gas and power are now turned off to all appliances except the microwave), and where the family's enduring memories of the great lady won't be of having to clean shit out of her vagina. 

I wasn't getting into it yesterday, but the inability to imagine the excruciating, humiliating, never-ending effort required of caregivers is a gift.   The assumption of a slightly diminished, friendly elderly woman in a chair who watches TV and reads her bible is the minority.  

Wiping either of my parents' ass's last year was a two or three-person job. Simple statements like "I'd never" only reinforces the lack of understanding.  Alone, no one person could ever support one of my parents, let alone both.  And as for vacations, weekends, holidays....there is no such thing.  It's mind-numbingly exhausting.

If anyone truly supports aging-in-place, then they should support Biden's suggested payments to home-based caregivers.  It's sure to be full of administrative BS and theft, but it's the only way to keep family members at home as long as possible and will save Medicare from some of the existing fraud.  Eventually, for many, the level of care required is beyond what can be delivered at home.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 9:18am

I just find it interesting that with this much time living with COVID and seeing the devastation that has resulted from it...

...people are still trying to find justifications for not taking the vaccine. How many stories of unvaccinated people on their hospital death-beds asking for the vaccine too late does one need to hear to understand their final desperation and acknowledgement that they could have probably saved themselves if they had just used a little more "smarts"?

I just wish that their decision only impacted them as in a "I'm not going to bother to wear my seatbelt" kind of way.
 
We all know now it doesn't, and the ramifications are potentially more far reaching. Even if you don't spread it to someone else if you wind up in a hospital you are taxing hospital resources, beds, doctors & nurses who could be focused on other priorities. Is the avoidance of death (your own & others) worth the price of a little personal freedom?... how in the hell can it not be? I have a hard time with the selfishness, laziness & ignorance of those who truly believe otherwise.  


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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 8:59am

 rgio wrote:

That's not true.  Vaccination has proven to reduce viral load and duration along with severity, so the folks who are infected after vaccination are much less dangerous.  They shed the virus at lower amounts for a shorter period of time.

I appreciate the fear of the unknown and again support everyone's right to choose their own path, but that path has consequences for everyone.  Fear of the unknown and fear of unintended consequences are valid, but 3.5 billion people have received at least one dose of a vaccine, and there are statistically zero adverse health implications to date.  If you want to suggest it's a ticking time bomb and in 2 years or 2 decades we're all screwed...it just feels (to me) a bit weak.

There was a headline a few months ago that said it can be as high as unvaccinated people so that was the takeaway —we should all continue wearing masks— but the articles didn't address the other points, shedding and duration. Overall, an infected vaccinated person is a significantly lower risk to the unprotected.

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 8:52am

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  Three generation households are increasingly rare.

That is unfortunate.  Very.   


Being a caregiver (untrained, on call 24/7) very often kills the caregiver before the person being cared for. The person I quoted lived it with her mother-in-law, who died 6 years before her invalid husband, cared for in his home, by her. (aside: His last words, as he called his son close to his side, "...we're Jewish." *cark* ), and is living it currently with her own mother. She's the only one of her 6 siblings who still lives in the same town, grandma is hale and hearty but "not there." She needs to be someplace where she won't burn the place down (always turns on a burner on the stove then forgets she was going to cook, so the gas and power are now turned off to all appliances except the microwave), and where the family's enduring memories of the great lady won't be of having to clean shit out of her vagina. 
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 7:56am

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can i preface everything with as i understand it
{#Angel}



I find it to be a good practice . . . for me . . . as a caveat, er, warning! 

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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 6:33am

 steeler wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
as i understand it, they do shorten your viral load/cycle, which could reduce the infectiousness of this bug

My understanding as well. I also have read that they may prevent infection in some who have been vaccinated. 
 

can i preface everything with as i understand it {#Angel}

immune systems and their efficacy varies from person to person
the delta variant replicates faster and more so in the upper airway
most antibodies are in blood/circulatory system 
so it gets a quick start (maybe we see cold like symptoms with some vaxxed or previously infected peeps)
once it tries to advance the antibodies kick in and attack the virus and stop/slow replication slowing/stopping the cycle

regards
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 6:14am

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They do not prevent infection and spread ergo vaccinated are actually more of a threat to the unvaccinated than the other way around.

That's not true.  Vaccination has proven to reduce viral load and duration along with severity, so the folks who are infected after vaccination are much less dangerous.  They shed the virus at lower amounts for a shorter period of time.

I appreciate the fear of the unknown and again support everyone's right to choose their own path, but that path has consequences for everyone.  Fear of the unknown and fear of unintended consequences are valid, but 3.5 billion people have received at least one dose of a vaccine, and there are statistically zero adverse health implications to date.  If you want to suggest it's a ticking time bomb and in 2 years or 2 decades we're all screwed...it just feels (to me) a bit weak.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 6:09am

 miamizsun wrote:

see my edit below: i blame it on my dog 
{#Lol}


Good stuff. Thanks.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 6:08am

 miamizsun wrote:

as i understand it, they do shorten your viral load/cycle, which could reduce the infectiousness of this bug



My understanding as well. I also have read that they may prevent infection in some who have been vaccinated. 



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Posted: Sep 28, 2021 - 6:05am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 
 
as i understand it, they do shorten your viral load/cycle, which could reduce the infectiousness of this bug


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