When your followers respond best to fear, everything is a crisis.
Pretty sure this the most bipartisan statement you can make. I am thinking fear is hardly an ideological notion driving only those of the conservative ilk. One would have to be drinking a whole lot of some type of Kool Aid to think otherwise. But I am sure you know this.
Biden was asked if there is a crisis at our southern border. He flat out said "No".
That's an opinion. Lies are about facts.
Part of the issue lost on the Right is the notion of leadership. Everything is the greatest, the best, bigly...
There are problems at the border, but if you work on solving them, then there isn't a crisis. If you can't solve them because you don't have people in place to address them, then the issues can turn into a crisis.
When your followers respond best to fear, everything is a crisis.
I've got a whole laundry list of things I could put in here right now but I have other things to do that are more important than keeping score on Biden's lies. I've seen enough to know better than to bother. Everything is one sided in this place. Might as well tilt at windmills instead. It would be a much better use of my time.
No, I saw it but I was going to cut you some slack and not try and bring that up. So you have a laundry list too big to post and no time to post it in a forum you created for such things?... gotcha!
So you want one ? Here try this ...
Biden was asked if there is a crisis at our southern border. He flat out said "No".
I wouldn't waste much time here on Biden either. I mean, he is doing a bang up job on damaging the economy, killing jobs, threatening industries, & re-igniting wars in the middle east - in between long naps of course. Campaign promises? Guide the economy? Create jobs? Have you seen who he's picking for cabinet? lol
Only the wishes of the extreme far left - approved by Kamala will make it through.
It will be President Harris before fall. And then you'll see a whole new world of economic hurt.
You're a funny guy. Not much substance to you, but funny nonetheless.
Oh and BTW authorization of a military strike against a militia to respond to past aggression is not a re-ignition of a war. I guess you are in favor of rolling over when provoked?
Something tells me that you weren't against all the military actions that Trump authorized while he was in office were you Chief?
"Have you seen who he's picking for cabinet?"
Yeah I see. Do you remember all the incompetent ass kissing lackeys in the last cabinet? lol
Do you remember all the "Generals" in his administration that he was so proud of that wound up quitting, resigning or were fired because they actually wanted to do their jobs but were all eventually kicked to the curb? Do you remember all the crazy unprecedented turnover of staff that was indicative of a dysfunctional administration run a by a president who promised to only hire the "best people" but clearly didn't have a clue as to how to find them. Sure you do.
Veev, you know you are wasting your time here. Spend more time talking behind my back man. A troll is a troll is a troll...
Do you remember all the crazy unprecedented turnover of staff that was indicative of a dysfunctional administration run a by a president who promised to only hire the "best people" but clearly didn't have a clue as to how to find them. Sure you do.
For those who lost track - because there were so many Best People that he hired that couldn't finish out their shift - here's the list. Beware - you're gonna have to scroll through multiple screens to see them all.
For someone who said he was gonna hire the best, he sure didn't have a clue how to deliver on that promise. That, of course, was the cornerstone of his failed term: didn't have a freakin clue how to do the job he took on.
I wouldn't waste much time here on Biden either. I mean, he is doing a bang up job on damaging the economy, killing jobs, threatening industries, & re-igniting wars in the middle east - in between long naps of course. Campaign promises? Guide the economy? Create jobs? Have you seen who he's picking for cabinet? lol
Only the wishes of the extreme far left - approved by Kamala will make it through.
It will be President Harris before fall. And then you'll see a whole new world of economic hurt.
You're a funny guy. Not much substance to you, but funny nonetheless.
Oh and BTW authorization of a military strike against a militia to respond to past aggression is not a re-ignition of a war. I guess you are in favor of rolling over when provoked?
Something tells me that you weren't against all the military actions that Trump authorized while he was in office were you Chief?
"Have you seen who he's picking for cabinet?"
Yeah I see. Do you remember all the incompetent ass kissing lackeys in the last cabinet? lol
Do you remember all the "Generals" in his administration that he was so proud of that wound up quitting, resigning or were fired because they actually wanted to do their jobs but were all eventually kicked to the curb? Do you remember all the crazy unprecedented turnover of staff that was indicative of a dysfunctional administration run a by a president who promised to only hire the "best people" but clearly didn't have a clue as to how to find them. Sure you do.
I wouldn't waste much time here on Biden either. I mean, he is doing a bang up job on damaging the economy, killing jobs, threatening industries, & re-igniting wars in the middle east - in between long naps of course. Campaign promises? Guide the economy? Create jobs? Have you seen who he's picking for cabinet? lol
Only the wishes of the extreme far left - approved by Kamala will make it through.
It will be President Harris before fall. And then you'll see a whole new world of economic hurt.
I've got a whole laundry list of things I could put in here right now but I have other things to do that are more important than keeping score on Biden's lies. I've seen enough to know better than to bother. Everything is one sided in this place. Might as well tilt at windmills instead. It would be a much better use of my time.
No, I saw it but I was going to cut you some slack and not try and bring that up. So you have a laundry list too big to post and no time to post it in a forum you created for such things?... gotcha!
And one-sided? You are amazed that the dialog here would be one-sided? It was never going to be anything other than that from the get-go. Unless somehow you were expecting there were a horde of closeted Trump supporters that were just waiting in the wings for just the right forum to be created so they could all finally post their flood of Biden grievances that were all dammed up to this point.
But Iâm guessing their lists are too long and they probably have no time either.
Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
in other words you are just going to keep on believing what you want to believe and not provide any solid evidence. You are not doing much to establish your credibility here Mr. Hatter!
I was just trying to point out that this thread has been very dormant overall (with recent exception) and that the logical conclusion to be drawn from that is that even anti-Biden people can't seem to find much to populate it with. Hence, Biden must be doing a pretty decent job if even his biggest detractors can't find all that much to bitch about.
I guess that you sailed right by this ...
kurtster wrote:
I've got a whole laundry list of things I could put in here right now but I have other things to do that are more important than keeping score on Biden's lies. I've seen enough to know better than to bother. Everything is one sided in this place. Might as well tilt at windmills instead. It would be a much better use of my time.
kurtser I'm not sure what double-standard you are thinking you are exposing. The Trump Lies thread and the Trump thread were started (I'm guessing) by those that were unhappy with what Trump was doing as places to discuss it... vent their frustrations... whatever. At some point you felt the need to provide opposition to those view points and became one of the few (yes, dare I say brave) voices to try and support Trump in those threads. Am I off on my general understanding of that?
Now you created a Biden Lies thread. Presumably this was a forum to point out Biden's lies and to vent your (and other Trump supporters) frustrations against Biden. I have pointed out that the forum has seen little sustained activity (until recently). Yet somehow you seem perplexed and disappointed that Biden supporters aren't drawn to this forum and because we (Biden Supporters) aren't bashing Biden here, that we must be happy with what he is doing and/or we don't care what he is doing? Actually, the first case is true for me. Did you really expect Biden supporters to flock to this forum to bash Biden? Tell me how many posts in the Trump Lies thread or Trump thread did you actually post things that were critical of Trump? Where exactly is the double standard of which you speak? Seems that the lack of activity in this forum is more indicative of Trump supporters not being able to find much fault with what Biden has done so far.
You talk about the "whataboutism" that there now seems to that going on with Biden supporters. Again, did you really think that that was off the table? I didn't like it and called it out but Trump used it continuously throughout his presidency and Trump supporters helped set the rules of engagement for the previous four years in forums here so why on earth would you think that wouldn't be used when the tables were turned? If there is a double standard here it is not that whataboutism may have been used by Biden supporters but that you somehow expect/believe that it shouldn't. Look no further than your mirror to find the double-standard.
The problem you're going to face in rationalizing this with Kurt is the definition of a lie.
Biden's "lies" are due to interpretation and the reality of governing. When Joe said "I will fire anyone on the spot for disrespecting....", Kurt uses that as a binary phrase for his own interpretation. I think that guy disrespected someone, Joe said he would fire anyone...therefore Joe is a liar. Joe promised me $2,000 and only delivered $1,400...Joe is a liar.
The Trump Lies thread was easier. We have the greatest healthcare plan ever, which will lower costs and improve quality, and it'll be released in the next 2 weeks. We built the greatest economy in the history of the world. I will release my tax returns. We passed the largest tax cut in history. Those are all total fabrications.
It's a waste of time parsing lies from the reality of compromising to get things done through Congress.
You're right. The definition of a "lie" would become very fluid but I'm not even holding him or anyone to any strict definition. Were only "lies" discussed in the Trump Lies thread... I would have to review but I am guessing plenty of discussions veered from that script.
I was just trying to point out that this thread has been very dormant overall (with recent exception) and that the logical conclusion to be drawn from that is that even anti-Biden people can't seem to find much to populate it with. Hence, Biden must be doing a pretty decent job if even his biggest detractors can't find all that much to bitch about.
kurtser I'm not sure what double-standard you are thinking you are exposing. The Trump Lies thread and the Trump thread were started (I'm guessing) by those that were unhappy with what Trump was doing as places to discuss it... vent their frustrations... whatever. At some point you felt the need to provide opposition to those view points and became one of the few (yes, dare I say brave) voices to try and support Trump in those threads. Am I off on my general understanding of that?
Now you created a Biden Lies thread. Presumably this was a forum to point out Biden's lies and to vent your (and other Trump supporters) frustrations against Biden. I have pointed out that the forum has seen little sustained activity (until recently). Yet somehow you seem perplexed and disappointed that Biden supporters aren't drawn to this forum and because we (Biden Supporters) aren't bashing Biden here, that we must be happy with what he is doing and/or we don't care what he is doing? Actually, the first case is true for me. Did you really expect Biden supporters to flock to this forum to bash Biden? Tell me how many posts in the Trump Lies thread or Trump thread did you actually post things that were critical of Trump? Where exactly is the double standard of which you speak? Seems that the lack of activity in this forum is more indicative of Trump supporters not being able to find much fault with what Biden has done so far.
You talk about the "whataboutism" that there now seems to that going on with Biden supporters. Again, did you really think that that was off the table? I didn't like it and called it out but Trump used it continuously throughout his presidency and Trump supporters helped set the rules of engagement for the previous four years in forums here so why on earth would you think that wouldn't be used when the tables were turned? If there is a double standard here it is not that whataboutism may have been used by Biden supporters but that you somehow expect/believe that it shouldn't. Look no further than your mirror to find the double-standard.
The problem you're going to face in rationalizing this with Kurt is the definition of a lie.
Biden's "lies" are due to interpretation and the reality of governing. When Joe said "I will fire anyone on the spot for disrespecting....", Kurt uses that as a binary phrase for his own interpretation. I think that guy disrespected someone, Joe said he would fire anyone...therefore Joe is a liar. Joe promised me $2,000 and only delivered $1,400...Joe is a liar.
The Trump Lies thread was easier. We have the greatest healthcare plan ever, which will lower costs and improve quality, and it'll be released in the next 2 weeks. We built the greatest economy in the history of the world. I will release my tax returns. We passed the largest tax cut in history. Those are all total fabrications.
It's a waste of time parsing lies from the reality of compromising to get things done through Congress.
kurtser I'm not sure what double-standard you are thinking you are exposing. The Trump Lies thread and the Trump thread were started (I'm guessing) by those that were unhappy with what Trump was doing as places to discuss it... vent their frustrations... whatever. At some point you felt the need to provide opposition to those view points and became one of the few (yes, dare I say brave) voices to try and support Trump in those threads. Am I off on my general understanding of that?
Now you created a Biden Lies thread. Presumably this was a forum to point out Biden's lies and to vent your (and other Trump supporters) frustrations against Biden. I have pointed out that the forum has seen little sustained activity (until recently). Yet somehow you seem perplexed and disappointed that Biden supporters aren't drawn to this forum and because we (Biden Supporters) aren't bashing Biden here, that we must be happy with what he is doing and/or we don't care what he is doing? Actually, the first case is true for me. Did you really expect Biden supporters to flock to this forum to bash Biden? Tell me how many posts in the Trump Lies thread or Trump thread did you actually post things that were critical of Trump? Where exactly is the double standard of which you speak? Seems that the lack of activity in this forum is more indicative of Trump supporters not being able to find much fault with what Biden has done so far.
You talk about the "whataboutism" that there now seems to be going on with Biden supporters. Again, did you really think that that was off the table? I didn't like it and called it out but Trump used it continuously throughout his presidency and Trump supporters helped set the rules of engagement for the previous four years in forums here so why on earth would you think that wouldn't be used when the tables were turned? If there is a double standard here it is not that whataboutism may have been used by Biden supporters but that you somehow expect/believe that it shouldn't. Look no further than your mirror to find the double-standard.
That wound isn't intended to heal, it's intended to fester and form an abscess in our politics. There is no answering the questions (disingenuous questions that nonetheless have answers, answers that no one asking them wants to hear) because they are not meant to be answered. They are innuendo to provoke fear and suspicion. They are meant to leave lingering doubts about the legitimacy of an administration, to keep the fire of partisan resentment smoldering. They are intended to be reinforced by repetition, not by examination.
This is the real crux of the issue. I can see a couple of factors at play here. The first and historically most obvious is simply structural. The way the US system is set up you are always going to get two main parties playing ping pong which can only foster a combative approach to politics. However, as all the paid shills who have turned up here recently demonstrate, this schism is also being exploited by forces who want to divide the country to keep it weak and at war with itself. Who those players are and why they want to do it remains pure conjecture. But it is obviously happening. Trump just happened to be their most useful instrument yet, but he won't be the last.
Watching the interaction in this thread has been...predictable.
We had a four year thread dedicated to the effort of documenting every lie told by president Trump. Counting them seems like a Sisyphean task, but there were multiple websites and beats in national news media dedicated to it.
I think it's a healthy thing. Or rather...it was.
Joe Biden was well known—before he became the Democratic Party's standard bearer—as a reliable font of prevarication, stolen eloquence, and just unhinged off-the-cuff remarks that had no relation to the real world. If you want to be picky...as a liar.
Now he cannot be questioned, cannot be called on anything he says or promised. Any attempts at that are met with a circle back to well Trump was worse.
Trump was awful, but he's not president anymore. Biden is. Mike Pence isn't veep anymore, Harris is. If you aren't willing to hold them and their words up to the light to the same degree and in the same level of detail and skepticism you held Donald Trump, then you weren't outraged by Trump lying. You were outraged that Trump wasn't on your team.
That was my whole point of starting this thread. As I have stated several times in here already.
To demonstrate beyond any doubt that the double standard is real.
In that regard it has been a success already.
Any attempts at that are met with a circle back to well Trump was worse.
Isn't that what is called whataboutism ? They can use it but no one else can. Another double standard.
I've got a whole laundry list of things I could put in here right now but I have other things to do that are more important than keeping score on Biden's lies. I've seen enough to know better than to bother. Everything is one sided in this place. Might as well tilt at windmills instead. It would be a much better use of my time.
And so we chase each other in circles while the country crumbles, content with the hollow victory of splattering fistfuls of mud on The Other.
Well put.
On a bad day, it would seem that the two most popular political threads are Biden's Lies and Trump's lies (or is that Trump lies?). It is easy to climb into the culture wars. Mud splattering can be cathartic but at some level, we are all living in glass huts and mud simply obscures.
