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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 9:54pm

 islander wrote:

Just because he isn't 'owned' by the traditional powers doesn't mean he isn't 'owned'. I bet there are a lot of skeletons rattling in that closet.  And just because he isn't 'owned' doesn't really mean he'll be able to do anything. There is a very complex machine that turns the wheels, it takes cooperation of a lot of people to keep it up. Look at what one or two sticky wickets have been able to do in recent history. Imagine someone this bipartisanly unpopular...

 
One would have to be pretty naive not to know all that.  On the same token, I would think that someone in Trump's position knows who has what skeletons in their closets and that is the best kind of leverage to get things done.  Isn't that how the world really works ?  I believe that is one of the key parts of power and using it to get things done.  
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 9:36pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ok.  We aren't in Cleveland yet, but I am ...  Anyway, missing from the article is the fact and its a big one, Trump is not owned by the usual suspects and therefore has a better chance of actually doing the things that matter, if elected.  Its a 50 / 50 chance, still better than anyone else.  The others, cept Bernie are all bought and paid for.  No chance of keeping any promises.

The other thing not mentioned is that Trump is the ultimate insider.  Again a 50 / 50 chance of who he will use this knowledge for.  Will he sell them out or sell us out ?  Judging by all the hoopla going on in establishment circles and that meeting on that island in Georgia, they think that he will sell them out and will stop at nothing to stop him.

Long way to go.  There is also a damned good chance that our next POTUS isn't even running yet. 

 
Just because he isn't 'owned' by the traditional powers doesn't mean he isn't 'owned'. I bet there are a lot of skeletons rattling in that closet.  And just because he isn't 'owned' doesn't really mean he'll be able to do anything. There is a very complex machine that turns the wheels, it takes cooperation of a lot of people to keep it up. Look at what one or two sticky wickets have been able to do in recent history. Imagine someone this bipartisanly unpopular...

Interesting point in your last sentence. I disagree, but when in recent history have the leading contenders from August been the leading contenders in April?  Have we ever had a leading contender very early in the process ride it out for a full cycle (too lazy to google foo that)?
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 9:29pm

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Tis political season once again, every fours years.  Kind of like a leap year, only with much more, umm ... commentary!

As one of the well-known holders of an opinion or six that I'm rarely a-feared to share, with the scars to prove it, I'm inclined to let most go at it, so long as it doesn't get extremely personally nasty.  Of course, it's also not my forum.

All the 'regular's here are well-known to each other, so our opinions and character is well-known.  With the exception of the relatively new arrivals,  who may nor have a vested interest in the character and quality of this community, I'd say have at 'er to the regulars.  Tis only their personal reputation they can either harm or improve - so it's on them.  And as long as any newly arrived troll factors are not allowed to provoke the gentle folks here from their usually reasonably respectful opinions, it would seem a good way to allow some venting.

Everyone participates differently, as inclinations, experience and circumstance allow. In reading dissenting views here over the years, I know I've certainly both learned new things, - and - had my own opinions on topics altered.  I think political convo here is a good thing.  There's plenty of political convo here some days - and it's not all about the coming general.  Selectively blocking discussion of a topic due to the behaviour of one or two seems like penalizing all for the over the line behaviour of few.   JMHO, of course.

 
Maybe we could make February 29th all out nasty name calling day. Get it all out of our system and then insist on civil discourse the rest of the time. The timing is about right - lots of early furor should have been stirred up by then, but plenty of time to dial it back in and be gracious when your candidate loses. 

/ only half joking.  
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 9:29pm

 Beaker wrote:
Good read.  Be sure to read it all the way through - the author is quite sympathetic to Trump supporters, though essentially calls on them to be rational and realistic.

What I Will Probably Never Understand About The Undying Affection For Donald Trump

 
Ok.  We aren't in Cleveland yet, but I am ...  Anyway, missing from the article is the fact and its a big one, Trump is not owned by the usual suspects and therefore has a better chance of actually doing the things that matter, if elected.  Its a 50 / 50 chance, still better than anyone else.  The others, cept Bernie are all bought and paid for.  No chance of keeping any promises.

The other thing not mentioned is that Trump is the ultimate insider.  Again a 50 / 50 chance of who he will use this knowledge for.  Will he sell them out or sell us out ?  Judging by all the hoopla going on in establishment circles and that meeting on that island in Georgia, they think that he will sell them out and will stop at nothing to stop him.

Long way to go.  There is also a damned good chance that our next POTUS isn't even running yet. 
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 9:03pm

 Beaker wrote:
Good read.  Be sure to read it all the way through - the author is quite sympathetic to Trump supporters, though essentially calls on them to be rational and realistic.

What I Will Probably Never Understand About The Undying Affection For Donald Trump



"The good news for people who support Trump and the bad news for those of us who find him to be a repulsive, narcissistic con man is that by staying in the race this long, John Kasich and Marco Rubio have nearly guaranteed Trump the nomination."

 
This means the author would rather have Cruz in there. Cruz scares me more than Trump. Trump is survivable. Cruz does not care whether I live or die and has the political will and wile to do lasting damage to this country. He's every bit the loose cannon that Trump is in foreign policy; has no compunction about launching a full-scale crusade, and is just fine with the idea that every human on earth might die because he's going to heaven for doing His Will. Maybe his statements are a little more nuanced than that but Cruz is a religious nutjob, every bit as big a scam artist as Trump. It's almost as if Trump went out there with the express purpose of making the most crazy candidate in the race seem sane by comparison. I'm to the point that if it's between those two, I'm hoping for a brokered convention and they draft Ryan. Who also hates me. That's how bad Trump and Cruz are to me: I hope Ryan gets in.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 8:19pm

 R_P wrote:

It's not as dire (yet) as you paint it. I've seen more than just two (at least two more voters) who profess their love for the small-handed oracle. {#Mrgreen}

 
There is Alpine, but he only pops in every 6 months or so.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 8:15pm

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Ah, I may have missed some, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the only people dumping hate seems to be the newbs or the America-bashers.  eg the stupid cartoons.  Those are the kind of posts that should be unwelcome here, IMO.

Criticism of your preferred candidate is not dumping hate.  It's criticism, and often well-founded.  The issue I have with Trump-bots, is that in their haste to support a guy who appeals to their disgust with the system, they're completely unwilling to examine the practicality of his utterances and pronouncements, nor measure the number of times - during just this election cycle! - he's reversed his position on a given topic.  The pubic is supposed to despise pols who say one thing to get elected and then deliver next to zero on those promises once in office.  If Trump-bots can't see what's taking place right before their eyes (willful ignorance if you will), then, as they say —- be careful what you wish for - you may indeed get it.

Same blah-de-blah goes for supporters of the other candidates still in this race, and yes, both parties.   

We had a federal election up here not that long ago.  Mr Liberal got in on his rainbows, unicorns  and happy speak.  The Lib supporters are only now coming to terms with the number of broken promises that are starting to pile up - and the guy is still in his first year in office.  A firm example of 'be careful what you wish for, if there ever was one'.  Same goes for our recent provincial elections...

 
I agree with your other post and for the most part, this as well.  Criticism is A / OK with me.  You know I love a good discussion and I have a very thick skin.  I know what comes with Trump.  Discussing his views and changes are fine and are fair game.  He does have some problems. 

But I'll have to say that the devolution into anatomy discussions and Hitler just doesn't do it for me.  I'm too old for this stuff anymore.  This seems to be the only place this still goes on here.  What is distressing is that this mirrors what is happening in the real world.  It is getting ugly and violent.  Those who wish the protected free speech to burn a flag (and get away with bombing government buildings) are denying the reciprocal to those they disagree with and apparently have no problem with violence in making their feelings known.

Rightly or wrongly,Trump is the lightning rod for all this.  Me, I'm approaching Trump with eyes wide open.  Can't speak for anyone else.  I want the house of corruption burned down to the ground.  No one else seems willing or capable.

 
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 7:47pm

 kurtster wrote:

Not at all.  There are plenty of Obama supporters here, and many more than those who disagree with him.

Here with Trump, there are only two supporters and only one can vote.  So what purpose does this thread serve in the grand scheme of things, besides giving you an opportunity to call me a teabagger ?  Doesn't bother me, just sayin ... 

The other threads devoted to other candidates seem pretty civil, even when there is disagreement.  Not at all the case here.  Things seem to get personal here.

But so what, eh ?  Little more to say that hasn't been said.  Just another dead horse.

Have fun ...
 
It's not as dire (yet) as you paint it. I've seen more than just two (at least two more voters) who profess their love for the small-handed oracle. {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 7:30pm

 R_P wrote:

You don't have to scroll very far down that active thread (or peruse some of the older ones) to get a more realistic picture. Go back further and it's a regular Obama hatefest by some of the usual suspects. Amnesia by design?

PS: There's enough "hate" to go around for other candidates as well...

 
Not at all.  There are plenty of Obama supporters here, and many more than those who disagree with him.

Here with Trump, there are only two supporters and only one can vote.  So what purpose does this thread serve in the grand scheme of things, besides giving you an opportunity to call me a teabagger ?  Doesn't bother me, just sayin ... 

The other threads devoted to other candidates seem pretty civil, even when there is disagreement.  Not at all the case here.  Things seem to get personal here.

But so what, eh ?  Little more to say that hasn't been said.  Just another dead horse.

Have fun ... 


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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 6:26pm

 kurtster wrote:
Well if you want to go there, there is only one active thread on that list and the conduct in there is civil and has been for some time now.  This is where all the hate has come to live, other than that Oklahoma thread ...
 
You don't have to scroll very far down that active thread (or peruse some of the older ones) to get a more realistic picture. Go back further and it's a regular Obama hatefest by some of the usual suspects. Amnesia by design?

PS: There's enough "hate" to go around for other candidates as well...
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 6:25pm

 BillG wrote:
I suppose I could write a filter to keep certain topics — like this one — off of RP entirely.

Or you folks could play nice & leave the venom & vitriol elsewhere.

That second one would be good. 

I'm not pointing any fingers here — just sensing a distasteful trend. It's not like there's a shortage of places to shout, cuss, & attack on behalf of your favorite guy/gal.

 

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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 6:12pm

 R_P wrote:

That's a mighty high horse you got there, mister.

There's no shortage of "love" either.

 
Well if you want to go there, there is only one active thread on that list and the conduct in there is civil and has been for some time now.  This is where all the hate has come to live, other than that Oklahoma thread ...
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 5:55pm

 kurtster wrote:
As the only person here who supports Trump and can vote for him, this thread could disappear and not bother me one bit.

It has become a place where everyone proudly displays their hate and dumps their trash in broad daylight on the lawn fouling the place for everyone else.
 
That's a mighty high horse you got there, mister.

There's no shortage of "love" either.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 5:34pm

As the only person here who supports Trump and can vote for him, this thread could disappear and not bother me one bit.

It has become a place where everyone proudly displays their hate and dumps their trash in broad daylight on the lawn fouling the place for everyone else.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 2:40pm

 BillG wrote:
I suppose I could write a filter to keep certain topics — like this one — off of RP entirely.

Or you folks could play nice & leave the venom & vitriol elsewhere.

That second one would be good. 

I'm not pointing any fingers here — just sensing a distasteful trend. It's not like there's a shortage of places to shout, cuss, & attack on behalf of your favorite guy/gal.

 
{#Clap} The not playing nice seems to have spilled into some of the non-political threads also
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 2:30pm

I suppose I could write a filter to keep certain topics — like this one — off of RP entirely.

Or you folks could play nice & leave the venom & vitriol elsewhere.

That second one would be good. 

I'm not pointing any fingers here — just sensing a distasteful trend. It's not like there's a shortage of places to shout, cuss, & attack on behalf of your favorite guy/gal.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 1:41pm

 aflanigan wrote:

You definitely got me good with that witty comeback.

{#Clap} 

Why does it feel like I'm back in 6th grade?

{#Ask} 

 
You mean when boys are at an age that they argue about the size of their penises?
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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 1:39pm

46,000 democrats in Pennsylvania have 'ditch and switched' to GOP to vote for Trump. {#Cheesygrin}

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Posted: Mar 13, 2016 - 12:48pm

 rotekz wrote:
Shot or not. Black Trump supporter. Stick it in your pipe and smoke it lol.

 
You definitely got me good with that witty comeback.

{#Clap} 

Why does it feel like I'm back in 6th grade?

{#Ask} 
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