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aflanigan
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Jul 18, 2017 - 7:23am |
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Another take on the potential scope, and potential effectiveness, of the Russian interference in the 2016 election. The interview makes a good point: Sometimes we demonize politicians by absurdly ascribing unrealistic levels of competence to them, to the point of sounding like wild-eyed conspiracists (just recall how many opposed to Obama ascribed superhuman levels of capability to him and his administration to support far fetched accusations). No political machine runs as smoothly as it's skeptics would like us to believe (well, except for Jrzy's salsa cartel). The fact that the Russian effort was likely to be ham-handed and somewhat inept does not in any way attenuate the seriousness of Trump officials' (Flynn, Don Jr., Sessions, Manafort, etc.) efforts towards collusion, nor Trump's efforts to interfere with the investigation of this collusion. The Dots are Never Going to Connect
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Jul 17, 2017 - 9:18pm |
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VV wrote: First off. All of the agencies agreed in their assessment of high confidence in the following: We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments. You chose to pull out verbiage from a sub-bullet under that finding where there was a slight difference in confidence on whether those actions were meant to specifically discredit Clinton and help Trump.The bottom line is that there is unified agreement there that Russia meddled in the election. To expect verbiage such as "proof" or "beyond all proof" is ludicrous. This was primarily a cyber crime. Is Putin going to let us send investigators over to Russia to collect evidence (laptops, severs, hard drives) or interrogate people to establish a beyond-all-doubt case? Think not. I will say again. If you feel more knowledgeable on all of this or are in possession of material that disproves the findings please provide it. You are trying to poke holes in it because the verbiage/terminology isn't strong enough for you. Unfortunately, those amount to pretty small holes. I'm sorry if I am more prone to believe our intelligence agencies' assessment over your (or the President's) say-so. I believe that all Senators and Congressmen have accepted these findings.
I appreciate that at least you found a credible source for the article you previously posted. I would believe if Robert Muller feels it important to access the server... he will do so. Do you know if he has made that request and was it rebuffed?
No I'm not a truther.
Not to fan the flames of this particular disagreement but I thought you and kurtster might want to see this FOX News report on the testimony of Admiral Mike Rogers, Director of the NSA: NSA chief explains 'discrepancy' over claim that Russia sought to boost Trump NSA Director Adm. Mike Rogers cast a dash of doubt Tuesday on the intelligence community's conclusion that Russia-tied hackers sought to help Donald Trump in the 2016 election, explaining for the first time in public testimony why his agency had only "moderate confidence" in that judgment. Testifying before a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, Rogers affirmed he and the NSA were highly confident the Russians sought to hurt Hillary Clinton in the election. But Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., asked Rogers – who also heads U.S. Cyber Command — why the NSA differed on the related conclusion about Trump in the Jan. 6 intelligence report on alleged Russian interference in the election. That conclusion stated that the Russian government “aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.” The FBI and CIA backed that with high confidence, but the NSA only held that judgment with “moderate confidence.” Cotton noted that fellow Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., during the hearing called Trump “Russia’s preferred candidate” and asked Rogers to “explain the discrepancy.” “I wouldn’t call it a discrepancy, I’d call it an honest difference of opinion between three different organizations and in the end I made that call,” Rogers said. He added that when he looked at the data, for each of the other judgments there were multiple sources and he could exclude every other alternative rationale. But for this particular conclusion, “it didn’t have the same level of sourcing and the same level of multiple sources,” he said. He noted that he still agreed with the judgment, but he wasn’t at the same confidence level as CIA Director John Brennan and FBI Director James Comey. Probed further by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was Clinton’s running mate – Rogers clarified that while he was highly confident the Russians wanted to prevent Clinton from winning, and to undercut her effectiveness if she did win, he was only moderately confident the Russians actively wanted Trump to win. The FBI, CIA and NSA were all in complete agreement about the Clinton-related conclusion in the report, which stated: “Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.”
As for the issue of whether Russians hacked the DNC server, I point you both to this Wired.com article. I have to ask though, kurster: if Russia didn't hack the DNC servers, who did? Please don't tell me you think it was Seth Rich. That fantasy is so twisted and cruel. Feds’ Damning Report on Russian Election Hack Won’t Convince Skeptics ON FRIDAY, THE Office of the Director of National Intelligence finally released a declassified report on Russia’s role in influencing the US election. And though it offers the most detailed official analysis yet of Russia’s operations, critics in the cybersecurity community say it lacks the still-secret evidence needed to persuade skeptics that analysis is true.
The ODNI’s 25-page report (embedded below) from US intelligence agencies lays out a vast Russian intelligence operation that extends from hacking both Democratic and Republican targets to propaganda campaigns to troll-fueled social media disinformation. It re-asserts the intelligence community’s findings that the Kremlin is behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and even state election board websites. And the express intention of those operations, the report states, was to not only disrupt the American electoral process, but to elect Donald Trump. “Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency,” the report reads. “We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.” Even so, the report leaves out the much hoped-for technical evidence that informed these conclusions. In its “Scope and Sourcing” section, the report explains that this evidence exists, but can’t be declassified. And that means the report won’t satisfy the majority of the cybersecurity community that believes Russia hacked Democratic targets but has demanded more evidence, let alone the diehard deniers of the Kremlin’s fingerprints. “Seeing more of the context in which this happened does make me a little more trusting that this really was Russia,” says Robert Graham, an analyst for the cybersecurity firm Erratasec who has closely followed the Russian hacking investigation. “But knowing what data they probably have, they could have given us more details. And that really pisses me off.” ...But that cards-on-the-table approach, which likely would have sacrificed intelligence sources and methods in favor of more public transparency, didn’t make it to the final report.
...In terms of proving the core claim that Russia hacked American political targets, though, Friday’s report is sure to leave any skeptic not privy to classified briefings briefings unconvinced: It fails to include even the already public evidence visible to the cybersecurity community over the last six months, which drew a thick dotted line from the DNC hack to the Kremlin. A hacker calling himself Guccifer 2.0, for instance, in June claimed to be a lone Romanian hacker responsible for the breach. But the stolen DNC files he published on the web—and also said he’d leaked to WikiLeaks—contained telltale Russian-language error messages. A piece of malware known as X-Agent was used in both the DNC hack and previous attacks long believed to be Russian intelligence operations. And an analysis of the URL shortening service used by the hacker who stole the Gmail password of Clinton staffer John Podesta shows that the same account was used to target more than 5,000 other Gmail accounts, including Russia-focused journalists and authors, and the spouses of American military officials. Early leaks from a classified version of the report revealed some of the evidence intelligence agencies have to implicate Russia. Unnamed intelligence officials told the Washington Post that US agents had intercepted the communications of senior Russian officials celebrating Trump’s win. In another leak to Reuters, intel officials said that they’d identified the intermediary who had passed files stolen by Russian hackers to WikiLeaks.
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Steely_D
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Jul 17, 2017 - 4:36pm |
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Of course, no one - not even his supporters - expect him to show the strength of character it takes to divest of foreign production so that his wares are made by Americans.
Face it: Goldman Sachs in his cabinet, his children and in-law as government advisers, his properties as government meeting places...This President has no shame, no sense of ethics. This Presidency has literally nothing to do with #MAGA and everything to do with increasing his wealth. His supporters think it's about draining the swamp or whatever, but he'll take his profits, leave the job, and privately enjoy the successful business move he pulled off - including lifetime Secret Service at taxpayers' expense.
Well done, folks. #MAGA
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kurtster
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Jul 17, 2017 - 4:24pm |
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VV wrote: First off. All of the agencies agreed in their assessment of high confidence in the following: We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments. You chose to pull out verbiage from a sub-bullet under that finding where there was a slight difference in confidence on whether those actions were meant to specifically discredit Clinton and help Trump.The bottom line is that there is unified agreement there that Russia meddled in the election. To expect verbiage such as "proof" or "beyond all proof" is ludicrous. This was primarily a cyber crime. Is Putin going to let us send investigators over to Russia to collect evidence (laptops, severs, hard drives) or interrogate people to establish a beyond-all-doubt case? Think not. I will say again. If you feel more knowledgeable on all of this or are in possession of material that disproves the findings please provide it. You are trying to poke holes in it because the verbiage/terminology isn't strong enough for you. Unfortunately, those amount to pretty small holes. I'm sorry if I am more prone to believe our intelligence agencies' assessment over your (or the President's) say-so. I believe that all Senators and Congressmen have accepted these findings.
I appreciate that at least you found a credible source for the article you previously posted. I would believe if Robert Muller feels it important to access the server... he will do so. Do you know if he has made that request and was it rebuffed?
No I'm not a truther.
I commend you for giving a straight answer back and playing fair. When I ask for someone to answer back the same question they ask of me it is usually just ignored. Never, ever said in any way shape or form that Russia did not meddle in the election, only there is no direct proof that the Russians hacked the DNC server. All we have on that is speculation by the .gov based upon the accounting of a discredited and suspect DNC contractor. . No I am not aware of any request by Mueller to see the DNC server in question. We do know that the RNC fully cooperated with the FBI and allowed them direct access to their servers. I hope that Mueller does get the DNC server although its probably been "bleached" by now and there is nothing left of importance.
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VV
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Jul 17, 2017 - 3:27pm |
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kurtster wrote:Read the report yourself and keep in mind this criteria for judgments and assessments made as seen on page 13 of the document. See page 2 where only the term "we assess" is used regarding hacking the DNC by Russia. On page ii it specifically states that while the FBI and CIA have "high confidence" , the NSA, the one who has all the data says only "moderate confidence" in the conclusions reached in this report. No where is the term "proof" used at any time. Nor is "beyond any doubt", etc. But your are free to go ahead and use terms like confidence and assess as examples of absolute proof, go ahead but I consider your standards of proof to be suspect at best. So try this article upon which my earlier link was based upon from an actual newspaper. Hacked computer server that handled DNC email remains out of reach of Russia investigators Psssssst... so 9/11... government conspiracy... right?
You mean a truther ? Like Van Jones, Obama White House Czar and current CNN star commentator ? No. How about you since you brought it up? Are you a truther ? First off. All of the agencies agreed in their assessment of high confidence in the following: We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments. You chose to pull out verbiage from a sub-bullet under that finding where there was a slight difference in confidence on whether those actions were meant to specifically discredit Clinton and help Trump.The bottom line is that there is unified agreement there that Russia meddled in the election. To expect verbiage such as "proof" or "beyond all proof" is ludicrous. This was primarily a cyber crime. Is Putin going to let us send investigators over to Russia to collect evidence (laptops, severs, hard drives) or interrogate people to establish a beyond-all-doubt case? Think not. I will say again. If you feel more knowledgeable on all of this or are in possession of material that disproves the findings please provide it. You are trying to poke holes in it because the verbiage/terminology isn't strong enough for you. Unfortunately, those amount to pretty small holes. I'm sorry if I am more prone to believe our intelligence agencies' assessment over your (or the President's) say-so. I believe that all Senators and Congressmen have accepted these findings. I appreciate that at least you found a credible source for the article you previously posted. I would believe if Robert Muller feels it important to access the server... he will do so. Do you know if he has made that request and was it rebuffed? No I'm not a truther.
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Steely_D
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Jul 17, 2017 - 2:37pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Yeah, let's not show that to Trump. He already has an itchy buttonfinger.
I was expecting more of a " I'm #1!" response.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Jul 17, 2017 - 2:13pm |
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VV wrote: I've been paying plenty of attention. You might want do the same.
I asked you whether you were employed with a government intelligence service and would have inside information to contradict the conclusions of Russian interference by those intelligence agencies. Or point me to an intelligence finding/report that says otherwise? You have not done that, you pointed me to some obscure article that questions accessibility to DNC servers on some obscure website written by an author hiding behind a Fight Club pseudonym. Really, that's the source you are citing? Anyway, that web article doesn't invalidate the results of the previous intelligence findings.
C'mon, you gotta do a lot better than that if you are going to dispute those findings. How about a credible citation as a start? Just because the president questions the findings doesn't make them any less valid. Like I said before, your credibility is shot and you are just grasping at straws. You are a Trump sycophant through and through. Read the report yourself and keep in mind this criteria for judgments and assessments made as seen on page 13 of the document. See page 2 where only the term "we assess" is used regarding hacking the DNC by Russia. On page ii it specifically states that while the FBI and CIA have "high confidence" , the NSA, the one who has all the data says only "moderate confidence" in the conclusions reached in this report. No where is the term "proof" used at any time. Nor is "beyond any doubt", etc. But your are free to go ahead and use terms like confidence and assess as examples of absolute proof, go ahead but I consider your standards of proof to be suspect at best. So try this article upon which my earlier link was based upon from an actual newspaper. Hacked computer server that handled DNC email remains out of reach of Russia investigators Psssssst... so 9/11... government conspiracy... right?
You mean a truther ? Like Van Jones, Obama White House Czar and current CNN star commentator ? No. How about you since you brought it up? Are you a truther ? . Oh and speaking of Czars ... Trump hasn't made any in his administration. Trump's Leaner White House Payroll Projected To Save Taxpayers $22 Million
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jul 17, 2017 - 1:58pm |
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All negative polls are fake news, you know.
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ScottFromWyoming
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Jul 17, 2017 - 1:55pm |
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Steely_D wrote: Yeah, let's not show that to Trump. He already has an itchy buttonfinger.
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Steely_D
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Red_Dragon
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Red_Dragon
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islander
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Jul 15, 2017 - 10:24am |
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sirdroseph wrote:wow, Mexico is better than here is it? Americans really are spoiled and sheltered to believe this. Let's all calm down the hyperbole in here, gettin' a little surreal.
This is a crazy misreading of the earlier statement that was essentially "mexicans are hard working people too". The whole idea of American exceptionalism by birthright is BS. We have a pretty great system because of a lot of fortuitous circumstances - Global expansion timing, trade expansion, industrial revolution, geographic isolation from major wars, a native population with little ability to resist what was effectively an invasion, contemporary sensibilities that were okay with such an 'invasion'. Recognizing all this takes nothing away from the success that is the American experiment. But to claim greatness or superiority because you fell out of the womb on this continent is about as silly as saying "God ™ likes America best".
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steeler
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Jul 15, 2017 - 8:14am |
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kurtster wrote: John Podesta! He was the talk of the G20. I have it from a reliable source that everyone was talking about Podesta's refusal to turn over the DNC server.
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VV
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Jul 15, 2017 - 7:17am |
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kurtster wrote: I've been paying plenty of attention. You might want do the same. I asked you whether you were employed with a government intelligence service and would have inside information to contradict the conclusions of Russian interference by those intelligence agencies. Or point me to an intelligence finding/report that says otherwise? You have not done that, you pointed me to some obscure article that questions accessibility to DNC servers on some obscure website written by an author hiding behind a Fight Club pseudonym. Really, that's the source you are citing? Anyway, that web article doesn't invalidate the results of the previous intelligence findings. C'mon, you gotta do a lot better than that if you are going to dispute those findings. How about a credible citation as a start? Just because the president questions the findings doesn't make them any less valid. Like I said before, your credibility is shot and you are just grasping at straws. You are a Trump sycophant through and through. Psssssst... so 9/11... government conspiracy... right?
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aflanigan
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Jul 15, 2017 - 7:11am |
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kurtster wrote: Ya know what ? I did keep my nose out of this thread until I was brought up personally in a way that called for a rebuttal. Don't want me in this thread, don't mention me, especially in a personally negative way as did Islander, who misrepresented my positions. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Its a two way street.
So kiss my effing ass. You want me out of more than this thread, the entire forum ? F - U and the horse you rode in on.
You're free to come and go as you like, my friend. EDIT: I apologize, I wrote "forum" but meant thread (i.e. individual topics, not the whole enchilada of discussion). If discussing Trump generates so much indignation, perhaps a hiatus from this or other political topics would do you good. November 2020 is a long way off, after all.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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aflanigan wrote: I'm willing to bet that you will once again break your promise to leave the forum for good.
Any takers?
Ya know what ? I did keep my nose out of this thread until I was brought up personally in a way that called for a rebuttal. Don't want me in this thread, don't mention me, especially in a personally negative way as did Islander, who misrepresented my positions. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Its a two way street.So kiss my effing ass. You want me out of more than this thread, the entire forum ? F - U and the horse you rode in on.
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kurtster
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ScottFromWyoming
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kurtster wrote:And since I have broken my silence ...
To review:
There is absolutely no proof what so ever that the Russians hacked the DNC. The CIA and FBI were refused access to the servers. We only have the word of a third party DNC contractor.
And on the DT jr affair. The Russian "spy" who met with Jr was brought into this country by AG Lynch who gave her special permission to be here, even after she was refused entry earlier. Who is colluding with the Russians here ? And then there is the Ukrainian DNC connection ...
I'm willing to bet anyone here that with all this Russia collusion crap we will see more Democrats end up in jail than Republicans when its all said and done.
Any takers ?
Done, out of here. Unless someone accepts my bet.
You lost all your credibility many posts ago but certainly cemented it with the most recent few. No proof that Russia hacked DNC? What branch of government intelligence are/were you employed by that led you to this alternate conclusion? I actually somewhat admired your loyalty up until the point that it crossed over to blind loyalty. As I said before, it's very tough defending the indefensible but you give it a game try. Just wondering where you stand on O.J... guilty or innocent? 9/11... a government plot? The inmates are running the asylum there is no denying it. All of us should be worried. On a separate note I can't stop laughing when Trump continues to point the finger at the Obama administration for what he feels were their transgressions. The bottom line is that he is in charge and he needs to take the heat for things going south during his administration instead of trying to blame others. Heck why stop at Obama? Let's just list all the shortcomings of the administrations of the last 5 or 6 presidents. Where will that get us? I'm willing to bet that Trump has never heard of Truman's famous line "The buck stops here". Trump's likely response would be: Who's Truman?
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