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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 6:32pm

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There are three elements in play:The GOP without Trump. They're losing control of their party from this hostile takeover. But they have no leader.
The Democrats. In this scenario, they should stand tall, declare a leader, and begin to fight for The American Way. Where the hell is that leader? Just like the GOP has had seven years to find an Obamacare replacement, the Dems have had a long time to coalesce into something that America can get behind. But it hasn't happened. Sad!
and that leaves the third element:
The pro-Trump folks who think Ryan and McCain are RINOs and traitors. Their numbers were underestimated before, which is why we're in this pickle. These are the folks in the driver's seat - simply because no one else is strong enough to take the wheel.

 

1. I still believe that the anti-Trump is the decaying establishment of the party, made up of free-agent type politicians who pledge allegiance to a few issues (no new taxes, tax cuts for the rich, free-market policies except for subsidies and tax cuts for major corporations, etc). This group hyperventilated about Trump but could do nothing to stop him because its members don't work well on actually getting things done. If Trump hadn't run,  they would have been fretting about Ted Cruz and/or Marco "No Show" Rubio. They will turn on Trump if he threatens their political careers.

2. The Democrats are slowly pulling their act together, although I think there's a risk that they'll shift too far to the left. Apparently support for single-payer health care is growing rapidly, even in Congress, despite serious skepticism about funding and difficult transitions. Jared Bernstein of the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities has written an interesting op-ed, claiming that he sees Democratic support for policies like 

a. "(A) universal child allowance: a monthly stipend for all families with children" to combat child poverty.

b.  "Direct job creation policies, meaning either jobs created by the government or publicly subsidized private employment." This was done in the last recession and helped create about 250,000 jobs, according to Bernstein. 

c. "(A)n expansion of the earned-income tax credit into the working class. The tax credit is both broadly popular and very successful: In 2015, it lifted 6.5 million people, including 3.3 million children, out of poverty."

d. An increase in the minimum wage. 
No one has emerged as a clear leader. Elizabeth Warren and Al Franken each have written the inevitable pre-candidacy book. Bernie again? Who knows.

3.   As for pro-Trump GOPers, there's still a lot of grassroots ferment on the right but I don't know if they'll be as interested in politics in 2018 or 2020. Also, let's see how long their loyalty to Trump lasts once they realize that he's trying to screw them over on healthcare and taxes. 



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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 5:45pm

 ScottN wrote:
How long are the Republicans going to allow this catastrophe of a presidency continue?

Tweeting and Fuming, Trump Spirals Further Into Crisis

 
There are three elements in play:The GOP without Trump. They're losing control of their party from this hostile takeover. But they have no leader.
The Democrats. In this scenario, they should stand tall, declare a leader, and begin to fight for The American Way. Where the hell is that leader? Just like the GOP has had seven years to find an Obamacare replacement, the Dems have had a long time to coalesce into something that America can get behind. But it hasn't happened. Sad!
and that leaves the third element:
The pro-Trump folks who think Ryan and McCain are RINOs and traitors. Their numbers were underestimated before, which is why we're in this pickle. These are the folks in the driver's seat - simply because no one else is strong enough to take the wheel.


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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 3:12pm

 ScottN wrote:
How long are the Republicans going to allow this catastrophe of a presidency continue?

Tweeting and Fuming, Trump Spirals Further Into Crisis



 
I ask myself the same question.

The only answer I have is that (with all of the accumulated nonsense) there will be some things that eventually come to light that will finally tip the scales against him and send most of his reluctant supporters running for the hills. When that happens, the impeachment proponents will likely pick up steam... smell the blood in the water... and start the process to remove this stain in our history.

That day can't happen soon enough for me. Remove the cancer before it does more damage.


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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 2:56pm

Thank God Trump is having a quiet week for a change.... 
 

{#Liar}
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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 10:55am

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You can post this daily until he's gone.
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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 10:50am


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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 8:59am

 Skydog wrote:

we are caught in the limbo of the Trump vs. GOP cold war 

 
FYT ...
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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 8:39am

How long are the Republicans going to allow this catastrophe of a presidency continue?

Tweeting and Fuming, Trump Spirals Further Into Crisis




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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 6:56pm


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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 6:48pm

Who knew that if you turned Donald Duck upside down you get the other Donald?




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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 6:39pm

 Steely_D wrote:

So a vocal, sometimes aggressive or violent, minority of our country has gotten so out of control that the rest of the nation is unwilling to stand up.

 
the Dems in congress ain't giving him an inch and it seems that every other week there is an anti-trump demonstration so the opposition is being heard,
remember it's now a 3-ring circus, and Trump's base is holding the GOP's feet to the fire, but we'll see come the primaries,
we are caught in the limbo of the Trump-GOP cold war 
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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 6:27pm

 Skydog wrote:

yep, he's just talking to his base right now, if they don't find his fingerprints on the murder weapon then that's all we are going to hear from him until next spring's primaries

 
So a vocal, sometimes aggressive or violent, minority of our country has gotten so out of control that the rest of the nation is unwilling to stand up.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 6:07pm

 ScottN wrote:
 Steely_D wrote:

Playing into the terrorists hands may actually serve Trump well.

 
yep, he's just talking to his base right now, if they don't find his fingerprints on the murder weapon then that's all we are going to hear from him until next spring's primaries
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Posted: Jun 4, 2017 - 4:37pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Playing into the terrorists hands may actually serve Trump well.
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Posted: Jun 3, 2017 - 4:43am

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{#Lol}
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Posted: Jun 2, 2017 - 10:12pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Well... poop.

 

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Posted: Jun 2, 2017 - 7:08pm

 Coaxial wrote:

Might want to scroll back a day or three....{#Arrowd}

 
Well... poop.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2017 - 6:54pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 
Might want to scroll back a day or three....{#Arrowd}
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Posted: Jun 2, 2017 - 6:39pm


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