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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 7:20am

Paul Krugman: The Economic Fallout

11/09/2016  12:42 AM ET

 It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?

Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear.

Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.

{#Roflol}

Today, the markets (Dow, S&P and NASDAQ), have just hit all time highs with the Dow topping 20k for the first time ever.

Krugman is such a tool.  Why does any one still listen to him ?




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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 6:32am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Donald Trump says torture 'absolutely' works: 'we have to fight fire with fire'

 

This man is seriously unhinged. And Kurtster and all who voted for him, I am holding you personally accountable for any abuse this man commits. It is not as though he didn't give you enough warning signs.

 
In the spirit of your charge against me, I will hold all who elected and re elected Obama personally accountable for the 500,000 deaths in Syria and the mass migration of millions of refugees from same which are a direct result of Obama drawing his famous Red Line and then doing absolutely nothing once it was crossed.  These deaths and the migration can be directly held against Obama and those who elected and supported him (in the spirit of your charge against me and those who voted for Trump) due to his empty words being interpreted correctly that no help was coming as promised giving all the actors free reign to do as they wished.

Now on to Trump and the alleged executive order draft of which you refer to.  Have you read it ?  Here it is for your perusal.  Please note the top of page four which directly states that no torture will be allowed.  And please read this as well which refutes the alleged document and places Trumps remarks into a proper context.

Now what say you ?

{#Cowboy} 


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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 6:24am

For some reason I cannot reply to Miamizsun's post...

Of course there are larger issues in the torture debate. Let's keep it simple.
Trump wants to reinstate practices which are illegal, ineffective, and immoral. Torture, in this case, has already been defined.  His statement(s) must be disavowed by all, but especially by those who would be responsible for carrying out an illegal dictate.   Trump continues to manifest his unsuitability to be POTUS.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 6:14am

In his first major TV interview as president, Trump is endlessly obsessed with his popularity Imagine that.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 5:27am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Donald Trump says torture 'absolutely' works: 'we have to fight fire with fire'

 

This man is seriously unhinged. And Kurtster and all who voted for him, I am holding you personally accountable for any abuse this man commits. It is not as though he didn't give you enough warning signs.
 

edit: first i should have said that i understand your frustration (or i think i do {#Wink})


americans like every other culture are conditioned/indoctrinated from state controlled schooling at an early age to praise the state regardless

so big statist (democrats and republicans) are held out as the only choice (anything else is widely considered throwing your vote away)

i think this explains obviously horrible political decisions (morality and ethics are redefined to fit state aggression)

so what is torture?

tor·ture
ˈtôrCHər/
noun
noun: torture
  1. 1.
    the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.
    synonyms:infliction of pain, abuse, ill-treatment, maltreatment, persecution;
    "acts of torture"
verb
verb: torture; 3rd person present: tortures; past tense: tortured; past participle: tortured; gerund or present participle: torturing
1.
inflict severe pain on.
"most of the victims had been brutally tortured"
synonyms:inflict pain on, ill-treat, abuse, mistreat, maltreat, persecute
"they have tortured suspects in order to extract confession


is all of the stuff mentioned in the article torture? you bet

what about drone strikes? most definitely mass torture

all war, aggression and the initiation of force are systemic mass torture

am i being tortured if i'm forced to pay for people to torture others?

according to the definition, yes

so where does it begin? and where does it end?

why can't we tell the state no to violence, especially war/torture?

regards


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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 3:41am

Donald Trump says torture 'absolutely' works: 'we have to fight fire with fire'

 

This man is seriously unhinged. And Kurtster and all who voted for him, I am holding you personally accountable for any abuse this man commits. It is not as though he didn't give you enough warning signs.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2017 - 1:06am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

I like the wall around them.  Is there anyway of keeping him in there?

 
A padded cell for one would be best. Lock the door, throw away the key —> global jubilation and celebration. 
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 11:42pm

 kcar wrote:


There are four people in that diner who would give anything to leave. 

We're all in that diner for the next four years. {#Stop}   

 
I like the wall around them.  Is there anyway of keeping him in there?
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 8:59pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 

There are four people in that diner who would give anything to leave. 

We're all in that diner for the next four years. {#Stop}   
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 8:37pm


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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 7:46pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
seriously?

What we should assume is that whenever his lips are moving he's lying. He is a proven liar.

 
George Orwell is giggling from The Beyond at how much Our Leader looks and behaves like a demented squirrel. 

Oh, and George's book is raking it in again:

George Orwell’s ‘1984’ Is Suddenly a Best-Seller


George Orwell
’s classic book “1984,” about a dystopian future where critical thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime, has seen a surge in sales this month, rising to the top of the Amazon best-seller list in the United States and leading its publisher to have tens of thousands of new copies printed.


...

In the novel, the term “newspeak” refers to language in which independent thought, or “unorthodox” political ideas, have been eliminated. “Doublethink” is defined as “reality control.”

...

Dystopian novels are “chiming with people,” Ms. Harrison said, adding that “The Man in The High Castle” by Philip Dick, an alternative history in which the Nazis defeated America to win World War II, is also selling well. A television series based on Mr. Dick’s novel is now in its second season at Amazon. 


I highly recommend the Amazon series "The Man In The High Castle."

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 7:05pm

Why Trump and his staff lie

which reminded me of the piece on his ghostwriter from last July:

“You’re running for President,” Schwartz said. “I disagree with a lot of what you’re saying.”

“That’s your right, but then you should have just remained silent. I just want to tell you that I think you’re very disloyal. Without me, you wouldn’t be where you are now. I had a lot of choice of who to have write the book, and I chose you, and I was very generous with you. I know that you gave a lot of speeches and lectures using ‘The Art of the Deal.’ I could have sued you, but I didn’t.”

“My business has nothing to do with ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ”

“That’s not what I’ve been told.”

“You’re running for President of the United States. The stakes here are high.”

“Yeah, they are,” he said. “Have a nice life.” Trump hung up.


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 4:12pm

seriously?

What we should assume is that whenever his lips are moving he's lying. He is a proven liar.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 2:08pm


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 2:00pm

The White House has yet to provide details, but Trump said in back-to-back tweets that the investigation into “VOTER FRAUD” — Trump used all capitals for emphasis — would cover “those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal” and “those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time).”

Trump cabinet nominee Steven Mnuchin is also registered to vote in two states

Hypocrisy, thy name is Trump. 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 11:32am


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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 11:12am


Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 9:31am

 islander wrote:

Because he is 'their' guy. If he is wrong/crazy it means they were wrong/duped, that just can't happen. 

 
Too many are blind to Trump's mindset: If you are willing to believe anything he tells you, you deserve to be conned. (Art of the Deal)

or "you knew I was a snake when you took me in" 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 9:25am

 Proclivities wrote:

The how and why of how he came to be President is more of a topic for moot courts and future historians.  You yourself advised Democrats to "get over it", now you're trying to foment a culture of blame and scapegoating; lamenting the cause is the opposite of "getting over it".  I am not concerned with the autopsy of Hillary's campaign or the DNC, but I am concerned with a President and his mouthpieces who have no respect for truth in general and facts in particular.

 
{#Notworthy}
Proclivities

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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 8:42am

 islander wrote:

There are places where opinions can be in conflict and be correct. Two blind men can describe an elephant as a snake and a tree and both be correct. But there are some objective facts that that are not up for discussion, if one of the blind men believes that he can survive being stepped on by the elephant, he is wrong and when put to the test he will suffer.  Many people will figure this out soon.

 
Yes, there can be an alternative truth or truths (though "alternate" is probably a better word), depending on perception, interpretation, or opinion; there cannot be "alternative facts", those would be "delusions".
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