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kurtster

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 10:53am

 miamizsun wrote:

that's right (i just watched the video below) 

the irony is that it seems as though he wants people to aggressively pursue gotcha material
and send it back to a preferred news outlet to pimp out
ground breaking? no, just more foolish tabloid behavior
i worry about the wrasslin' buy in component 
some people watching might believe
 
Since the conversation has moved to context and tactics, this behaviour is very little different from Maxine Water's famous call to go out and directly confront and harass Trump admin members and repubs in general anywhere you found them.  This to reinforce the already famous confrontations of Trump Press Sec Sanders in that restaurant in Virginia along with Cruz and many others.  We've all seen the video of her so there is no need to go find it.

Yeah, the other Watters should have chosen his words a little differently, but in the end, it is the other side of the same coin.
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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 10:41am

 Lazy8 wrote:

1. The kind of people you're worried about would have heard it in the original context, not surgically snipped to wind knickers.

2. BTW the first time I heard the term "killshot" was in a racquetball lesson, and a quick googling reveals that there is a racquetball gear vendor by that name. Also an Eminem diss track, an Elmore Leonard novel that was way better than the movie made out of it (true of most Elmore Leonard novels), a Nike tennis shoe, and  (not making this up) a company that makes cornhole beanbags.


1. Fair point, but if LWNJs can read between the lines, so can RWNJs.

2. More examples of not possibly being taken out of context and interpreted to imply actual killing. Well, Elmore Leonard probably was and Eminem probably was. Is Watters supposed to be dismissed as just another entertainer? Okay by me, but make sure everyone else knows too.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 10:14am

 Lazy8 wrote:
This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.

The enemy of the people.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 9:45am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


*sigh*

You don't seem to disagree that Watters' language was something to be fired for.
Why is that?

Is it not because it's language that could be misconstrued as a literal call for Fauci to be killed? I agree that that's exactly what it sounds like: just ever-so-slightly NOT a literal call for Fauci to be killed, knowing that someone out there will miss the nuance knowwhatImean? knowwhatImean? wink wink nudge nudge. Many many someones, but thankfully we're generally not a nation of violent crazies who take orders to kill from TV personalities. Generally. But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.






Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?




"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" (also expressed as "troublesome priest" or "meddlesome priest") is a quote attributed to Henry II of England preceding the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170. While the quote was not expressed as an order, it prompted four knights to travel from Normandy to Canterbury, where they killed Becket. The phrase is commonly used in modern-day contexts to express that a ruler's wish may be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates.


According to historical records, Henry made the outburst on Christmas 1170 at his castle at Bures, Normandy, at the height of the Becket controversy. He had just been informed that Becket had excommunicated a number of bishops supportive of the king, including the Archbishop of York.<1> Edward Grim, who was present at Becket's murder and subsequently wrote the Life of St. Thomas, quotes Henry as saying:

What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!<2>

The popular version of the phrase was first used in 1740 by the author and bookseller Robert Dodsley, in his Chronicle of the Kings of England, where he described Henry II's words as follows: "O wretched Man that I am, who shall deliver me from this turbulent Priest?" This was modelled on Romans 7:24: "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"<3> A similar version of the phrase was later used in George Lyttleton's 1772 History of the Life of King Henry the Second, where the quote is rendered as " that he was very unfortunate to have maintained so many cowardly and ungrateful men in his court, none of whom would revenge him of the injuries he sustained from one turbulent priest."<4><5> In The Chronicle of the Kings of England (1821), it becomes "Will none of these lazy insignificant persons, whom I maintain, deliver me from this turbulent priest?", which is then shortened to "who shall deliver me from this turbulent priest?"<6>





Steely_D

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 9:42am

 Lazy8 wrote:

This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.


Agree. I get the "they're doing it, so we can too" mentality - but that's for children. CNN took a serious anti-Trump position from the moment he attacked them, which made their analysis biased. Sometimes they get it right, and maybe FOX does too, but it's finding the pearl in a pile of shit, which I'm not willing to waste my time doing. No more Tucker, and - honestly - no more Rachel. 

It's worth it to follow Rather's tweets, but I really wish we could see the rise of another Uncle Walter. Anyone know if there's one out there?


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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 9:00am

 Lazy8 wrote:
This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.

It's also the kind of thing that "real" news outlets wouldn't stand for.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 8:44am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
*sigh*

You don't seem to disagree that Watters' language was something to be fired for.
Why is that?

Is it not because it's language that could be misconstrued as a literal call for Fauci to be killed? I agree that that's exactly what it sounds like: just ever-so-slightly NOT a literal call for Fauci to be killed, knowing that someone out there will miss the nuance knowwhatImean? knowwhatImean? wink wink nudge nudge. Many many someones, but thankfully we're generally not a nation of violent crazies who take orders to kill from TV personalities. Generally. But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.

The kind of people you're worried about would have heard it in the original context, not surgically snipped to wind knickers.

BTW the first time I heard the term "killshot" was in a racquetball lesson, and a quick googling reveals that there is a racquetball gear vendor by that name. Also an Eminem diss track, an Elmore Leonard novel that was way better than the movie made out of it (true of most Elmore Leonard novels), a Nike tennis shoe, and  (not making this up) a company that makes cornhole beanbags.

This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.

Steely_D

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 8:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

 But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.




Even if he’s not doing it intentionally, it shows a remarkable lack of judgement in light of his audience.

Never forget the suggestion that if things don’t go their way they should consider “Second Amendment remedies.” Was that a call to assassinate? Well…yes. Yes it was. And Kyle Rittenhouse a hero? And abortion-providing doctors being attacked? And “when do we get to use our guns?” And the man storming the pizza parlor with weapons to liberate the children in the non-existent basement? 

The GOP has proven itself to be as violent and intolerant as the Taliban. So, a reasonable person these days would be careful to avoid such language.


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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 7:16am

 kurtster wrote:


The actual headline to the article would have been just fine.

Dr. Fauci Says Fox News Channel’s Jesse Watters ‘Should Be Fired On The Spot’

Instead, you went way over the top trolling for a reaction and got one.

You are the troll here. Period.


*sigh*

You don't seem to disagree that Watters' language was something to be fired for.
Why is that?

Is it not because it's language that could be misconstrued as a literal call for Fauci to be killed? I agree that that's exactly what it sounds like: just ever-so-slightly NOT a literal call for Fauci to be killed, knowing that someone out there will miss the nuance knowwhatImean? knowwhatImean? wink wink nudge nudge. Many many someones, but thankfully we're generally not a nation of violent crazies who take orders to kill from TV personalities. Generally. But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.
rgio

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 5:31am

 miamizsun wrote:

some people watching might believe

It only takes one.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 4:48am

 steeler wrote:
Context matters. No one is disputing that “kill shot” can be and has been used as a metaphor.
 
that's right (i just watched the video below) 

the irony is that it seems as though he wants people to aggressively pursue gotcha material
and send it back to a preferred news outlet to pimp out
ground breaking? no, just more foolish tabloid behavior
i worry about the wrasslin' buy in component 
some people watching might believe
R_P

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 7:26pm


kurtster

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 7:18pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I think that's exactly what he was doing.
 
And you knew exactly what you were doing when you rewrote your little headline to link to the article.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

The actual headline to the article would have been just fine.

Dr. Fauci Says Fox News Channel’s Jesse Watters ‘Should Be Fired On The Spot’

Instead, you went way over the top trolling for a reaction and got one.

You are the troll here. Period.
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 4:21pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci








I think that's exactly what he was doing.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 3:54pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci








Please read the context of ALL of those examples. None can be construed as some sort of directive to the general public to take matters into their own hands. Mr Watters encouraged Joe Public to ambush Fauci and go for the kill shot. 
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:40pm

 miamizsun wrote:
respect their authority!

Indeed.

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:39pm

 R_P wrote:

Oh noes, "tyrannical health bureaucrats!!111"



respect their authority!
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:32pm

 miamizsun wrote:
i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci


Oh noes, "tyrannical health bureaucrats!!111"

steeler

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:31pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci







Context matters. No one is disputing that “kill shot” can be and has been used as a metaphor.


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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:23pm

Don't beat around the bush. Violence solves problems.

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