Zwan — Friends as Lovers
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New york wasn't mine
Was it me, or just my kind
Spinning softly, talking cheap
There's no place left to be
But a road that just goes on
To everyone leaving town
Friends as lovers
Lovers as friends
Shall we dance into the night
As the jukebox moans and pours out time
Friends and lovers
Lovers and friends
There's no place left to be
Than wrapped around your eyes
And every passing town
Or stay as lovers
Or stay as friends
There's no prayers
For dashboard light
Flagging goals
You're missing sides
'cause they say you are the one
And there's no place left to be
Than where you stand right now
I know these leaving town
Us as lovers
Lovers as friends
To your face
To speak alone
To your back
Among the proud
We're friends with lovers
Lovers with friends
And there's no place left to be
That can keep me away from you
On every passing train
I see lovers
I see friends
Darling boy
Youre on my mind, she says
I feel your skin
As if it's mine
This pain it sweet
Too sweet to touch
And there's no place left to be
In the shadow of your lives
In everyone leaving town
Friends as lovers
Lovers as friends
And there's no place left to be
Than where you are right now
Beside us leaving town
I'm your lover
I'm your friend
Was it me, or just my kind
Spinning softly, talking cheap
There's no place left to be
But a road that just goes on
To everyone leaving town
Friends as lovers
Lovers as friends
Shall we dance into the night
As the jukebox moans and pours out time
Friends and lovers
Lovers and friends
There's no place left to be
Than wrapped around your eyes
And every passing town
Or stay as lovers
Or stay as friends
There's no prayers
For dashboard light
Flagging goals
You're missing sides
'cause they say you are the one
And there's no place left to be
Than where you stand right now
I know these leaving town
Us as lovers
Lovers as friends
To your face
To speak alone
To your back
Among the proud
We're friends with lovers
Lovers with friends
And there's no place left to be
That can keep me away from you
On every passing train
I see lovers
I see friends
Darling boy
Youre on my mind, she says
I feel your skin
As if it's mine
This pain it sweet
Too sweet to touch
And there's no place left to be
In the shadow of your lives
In everyone leaving town
Friends as lovers
Lovers as friends
And there's no place left to be
Than where you are right now
Beside us leaving town
I'm your lover
I'm your friend
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d48m02h1918 wrote:
Strange, I heard him say that about you once...
Corgan is a bit of an a-hole....does anyone have a theory as to why?
Strange, I heard him say that about you once...
Almost sounds like mick
Man. I LOVE this.
lemmoth wrote:
It's a little late for whoever makes these decisions when it comes to rock and roll to tell the person who wrote the lyrics, often the music, hires the band and has the vision to shut up and let someone else sing.
Though there are a number of exceptions in bands where the leader/lyricist doesn't also usually take the lead vocal - Rush, Squeeze & the Who being the most notable among classic rock bands, just because Neil Pert, Chris Difford and Pete Townshend chose to hand off the lead vocal duties, they are not the norm.
That's a good point - it is more the exception than the rule, though in the case of Squeeze, most of their tunes were co-written by Difford and Tillbrook.
It's a little late for whoever makes these decisions when it comes to rock and roll to tell the person who wrote the lyrics, often the music, hires the band and has the vision to shut up and let someone else sing.
Though there are a number of exceptions in bands where the leader/lyricist doesn't also usually take the lead vocal - Rush, Squeeze & the Who being the most notable among classic rock bands, just because Neil Pert, Chris Difford and Pete Townshend chose to hand off the lead vocal duties, they are not the norm.
That's a good point - it is more the exception than the rule, though in the case of Squeeze, most of their tunes were co-written by Difford and Tillbrook.
d48m02h1918 wrote:
Maybe this is why:
Wiki quote "Billy Corgan has struggled with depression for much of his life and has endured bouts of self-injury, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and suicidal thoughts. Corgan attributes these problems to the abuse he endured as a child as well as personal anxieties and issues. Corgan has since become an advocate for abuse support networks.
Corgan is a bit of an a-hole....does anyone have a theory as to why?
Maybe this is why:
Wiki quote "Billy Corgan has struggled with depression for much of his life and has endured bouts of self-injury, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and suicidal thoughts. Corgan attributes these problems to the abuse he endured as a child as well as personal anxieties and issues. Corgan has since become an advocate for abuse support networks.
Like so many others, this reminds me of a young Mick Jagger.
Love Billy Corgan's music... 
Corgan is a bit of an a-hole....does anyone have a theory as to why?
Never heard their stuff before, but really enjoying this track.
Oh is it over already what a shame really but then you don't have to play it for another six months or so right Bill right Bill please Bill
I'm begging you
I'm begging you
Stingray wrote:
lol I was thinking all through the track - "surely not"!
Chris Jagger...?
lol I was thinking all through the track - "surely not"!
like the cover art....................
It sounds like a well behaved Mick Jagger...
I like Corgan's voice! LOTS!!!
sirdroseph wrote:
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
It's a little late for whoever makes these decisions when it comes to rock and roll to tell the person who wrote the lyrics, often the music, hires the band and has the vision to shut up and let someone else sing.
Though there are a number of exceptions in bands where the leader/lyricist doesn't also usually take the lead vocal - Rush, Squeeze & the Who being the most notable among classic rock bands, just because Neil Pert, Chris Difford and Pete Townshend chose to hand off the lead vocal duties, they are not the norm.
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
It's a little late for whoever makes these decisions when it comes to rock and roll to tell the person who wrote the lyrics, often the music, hires the band and has the vision to shut up and let someone else sing.
Though there are a number of exceptions in bands where the leader/lyricist doesn't also usually take the lead vocal - Rush, Squeeze & the Who being the most notable among classic rock bands, just because Neil Pert, Chris Difford and Pete Townshend chose to hand off the lead vocal duties, they are not the norm.
I dig it - a bit surprised I haven't heard this before, but it's good!
Stingray wrote:
my thoughts exactly.
Chris Jagger...?
my thoughts exactly.
sirdroseph wrote:
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
Well, he is certainly no Josh Groban. Would you really want Groban to sing Cherub Rock? Not me.
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
Well, he is certainly no Josh Groban. Would you really want Groban to sing Cherub Rock? Not me.
Stefen wrote:
Nice ....body!
Nice ....body!
Chris Jagger...?
Corgan, most definitely. He can be most subtle if he wants to be.
I was completely clueless about Zwan. I thought it might be a new Teargarden By Kaleidyscope track. Now I have to find "Zwan - Mary Star of the Sea"
Very surprised by the Mick Jagger associations. I guess I can understand it on a purely vocal pitch level, but as someone familiar with both vocalists inflection styles I doubt I would ever mistake the two.
Very surprised by the Mick Jagger associations. I guess I can understand it on a purely vocal pitch level, but as someone familiar with both vocalists inflection styles I doubt I would ever mistake the two.
deadgoose66 wrote:
Not his fault!! I hear some Billy Corgan in there too. Sweet song none the less!!!!!
Actually, it is Billy Corgan. Not a lot of fanfare for his new project.
Not his fault!! I hear some Billy Corgan in there too. Sweet song none the less!!!!!
Actually, it is Billy Corgan. Not a lot of fanfare for his new project.
got me, too
tphord wrote:
tphord wrote:
Wow... I was pretty sure this was Mick Jagger ! 
tphord wrote:
Not his fault!! I hear some Billy Corgan in there too. Sweet song none the less!!!!!
Wow... I was pretty sure this was Mick Jagger !
Not his fault!! I hear some Billy Corgan in there too. Sweet song none the less!!!!!
I don't give 1's on principle, because I have a hard time rating a song "sucko-barfo".
This is one of those songs that challenge me to stick to that principle.
This is one of those songs that challenge me to stick to that principle.
Wow... I was pretty sure this was Mick Jagger !
reminds me of Peter Von Poehl
Quite an amazing Mick imitation; great violin and overall pace
More_Cowbell wrote:
Agree. I don't get people bashing Billy's voice w/o raggin' on Mick Jagger's voice? They sound similar
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
Agree. I don't get people bashing Billy's voice w/o raggin' on Mick Jagger's voice? They sound similar
Mick Jagger cannot technically sing either, but his voice does not grate and is not quite as nasally as Corgin's. I think Corgin is a good songwriter, he should just not be allowed near a microphone at all costs!!
Great violin, if they could get themselves a lead singer that could sing, they would really be on to something!
beautiful violin
where can i get this cut?
i looooove this. billy's voice. ahhhh.....
Wow, can't believe it's not. Nice violin. Great song!
bb_bubbab wrote:
bb_bubbab wrote:
Mick, is that you?
Wow, glad I'm not the only one who thought this was Mick at first. Never noticed the resemblance before.
Mick, is that you?
i m a fan and i leked, billy corgão never had a constant way!
anybody knows where can i get this song, download it, or somethig?
Not bad, but I prefer the earlier Pumpkins stuff to their later stuff or Zwan's stuff.
Had to turn this up (to drown out my neighbors John Cougar Mellencamp).
johnny_h wrote:
Blaspheme! B. Corgan is a damn genius. . . Given, this is far from his greats but it is still great :)
Calling Billy nasally is like calling Monet blurry. .
Did Monet paint like Ron Wood?
It's Billy on Kush
like it
undulates along agreeably
8
rolland69 wrote:
I like this, it was catchy.
Thought it was Mick J. and that is not an insult.
After looking and finding out it was My. Corgan, I was pleasantly suprised.
ditto!
A pale shadow of a once great band.
I also thought it was Mick. I still don't like it, though.
Billy, good old Billy. Sweet and Tender songs
7 
8
8 I like this, it was catchy.
Thought it was Mick J. and that is not an insult.
After looking and finding out it was My. Corgan, I was pleasantly suprised.
This is a live recording from a 2002 Paris show. The whole "album" is excellent. I finally figured out how to download it and convert it. I play it all the time.
crazy wrote:
why so bitter 
Cause I put lots of hops in my beer!
Alpine wrote:
I thought this was Smashing Pumpkins.
Same lead singer, Billy Corgan.
I thought this was Smashing Pumpkins.
I keep hoping this song will become better than it really is.
feh 8 7
7...i really like this song...
kcar wrote:
Bill, could you play something else from Zwan? I've heard a lot of this song on RP and not much else from the group...
ok. i will play another one.
jpfueler wrote:
He sounds like Mick Jagger on this
Agree. I don't get people bashing Billy's voice w/o raggin' on Mick Jagger's voice? They sound similar
Bill, could you play something else from Zwan? I've heard a lot of this song on RP and not much else from the group...
is this a live song? album 'live in paris'.
I like this. Better than new pumpkins anyway.
horstman wrote:
My best friend is my lover. Going on 20 years and she looks better now than she did then. And we still hold hands walking in public.
why so bitter
horstman wrote:
My best friend is my lover. Going on 20 years and she looks better now than she did then. And we still hold hands walking in public.
You both have something special. Keep it alive as long as possible!!
Darkmatter wrote:
Friends as lovers is a horrible idea. So is this song. 
My best friend is my lover. Going on 20 years and she looks better now than she did then. And we still hold hands walking in public.
TooFew wrote:
Strange, I was listening and then got curious about which collaboration Jagger had recorded this on.
I liked it well enough to have have hunted the .shn decoder for WinAmp down and download a few live tracks.
The blessings of RP!
Be good (or at least careful,)
Toof
see I'm not the only one
He sounds like Mick Jagger on this
Is this that dang Billy from down the street again? I'm telling Mooooooom!
Darkmatter wrote:
Friends as lovers is a horrible idea. So is this song.
I married my best friend, and it's worked for us so far. Probably doesn't hurt that she's a babe!
me like 
johnny_h wrote:
Blaspheme! B. Corgan is a damn genius... Given, this is far from his greats but it is still great :)
Calling Billy nasally is like calling Monet blurry..
I liked this one!
Blaspheme! B. Corgan is a damn genius... Given, this is far from his greats but it is still great :)
Calling Billy nasally is like calling Monet blurry..
Billy Corgan is the most overrated!!! A solid 2 on my scale!
Nasally. solid 4
Friends as lovers is a horrible idea. So is this song.
Odyzzeuz wrote:
Not my favorite Mick Jagger performance.
I'm glad someone else said it.
Strange, I was listening and then got curious about which collaboration Jagger had recorded this on.
I liked it well enough to have have hunted the .shn decoder for WinAmp down and download a few live tracks.
The blessings of RP!
Be good (or at least careful,)
Toof
SDBob wrote:
For some reason I never get tired of this song...
me too, every time I hear it I turn it up.
Odyzzeuz wrote:
Not my favorite Mick Jagger performance.
For some reason I never get tired of this song...
PG, you can't tell me you don't get the unbelievable irony of what you said there...
physicsgenius wrote:
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the appeal here. Does anyone wake up in the morning and think "You know what I could really go for? 30 minutes of gravely whining!"
Tireux_De_Roche wrote:
I was sure this was a Smashing Pumpkins song.
Good stuff!
I totally thought the same thing. It's an OK song, but a song that one definitely has to be in the mood for.
Great song.
electronicshaman wrote:
Billy Corgan is garbage but that said, I loathe this less than I though I would...
True of me as well.
electronicshaman wrote:
Billy Corgan is garbage but that said, I loathe this less than I though I would...
If the garbage were taken out, the music would overcome the residual odor.
I always smile when this comes on...
Billy Corgan is garbage but that said, I loathe this less than I though I would...
jtdiver wrote:
please. Billy Gorgan is amazing.
Corganzola! "C" is nowhere near "G" on your keyboard, is it?
physicsgenius wrote:
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the appeal here. Does anyone wake up in the morning and think "You know what I could really go for? 30 minutes of gravely whining!"
yes, i do. when i don't think i could really go for dolly parton.
I was sure this was a Smashing Pumpkins song.
Good stuff!
I have never heard of Zwan but I like it alot!
~S.
You can download 'Friends as Lovers...' and other live Zwan tracks here:
https://www.archive.org/details/zwan2003-01-22-Quinto.shnf
-stan
yeah Mick 'fes up, this is your experimental band.
I agree completely. When it first came on, I thought it was Jagger doing something by himself, which I hadn't heard before.
zenisgood wrote:
sounds like Billy Corgan morphed into Mick Jagger.....not necessarily a bad thing....just a thing....
OH MY GOD. I love this song and haven't heard it forever, so of course it has to play RIGHT WHEN MY CLASS STARTS. So with near tears, I close realplayer, logoff the computer, and head to class, knowing that I might not hear this great song again for quite awhile.
Well, of course nobody was in the class -- and I was nearly 10 minutes late. Weird. Come back, check my email, and sure enough: class cancelled today.
Thank you stupid teachers for cancelling class at the last minute and ruining my Zwan enjoyment! Moral of this story: play this song more often!
sounds like Billy Corgan morphed into Mick Jagger.....not necessarily a bad thing....just a thing....
Never heard Zwan before but used to love SP. interesting..
Not my favorite Mick Jagger performance.
I often enjoy the melodies and arrangements of his work If only he could sing.
I just wish he would play far away
sans wrote:
Play "Far Away Eyes"
physicsgenius wrote:
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the appeal here. Does anyone wake up in the morning and think "You know what I could really go for? 30 minutes of gravely whining!"
For once, I agree!
I feel cheap and dirty.
What A Graet Song - But where can i buy this Album?
liser wrote:
Okay, someone else has said this already I'm sure, but I'm lazy and don't have time to read all the comments. Did anyone else think this was early Stones?
It doesn't sound like the Stones but the singer sounds like Mick, which is not necessarily a compliment.
liser wrote:
Okay, someone else has said this already I'm sure, but I'm lazy and don't have time to read all the comments. Did anyone else think this was early Stones?
Sounds a lot like Mick.
liser wrote:
I'll have some of whatever you're smoking!
Okay, someone else has said this already I'm sure, but I'm lazy and don't have time to read all the comments. Did anyone else think this was early Stones?
I'll have some of whatever you're smoking!
Okay, someone else has said this already I'm sure, but I'm lazy and don't have time to read all the comments. Did anyone else think this was early Stones?
This one seems to be getting a TON of spins, unless I'm more of an RP junkie than I once was...
OK for the first few hearings but doesn't hold up well for radio set repeation. Over and over again for months, years on end .... no.
slartibart_O wrote:
trite and insulting. this is absolute crap. cueball should stay the hell away from country music for a bit of "intelligent irony" if the drummer and fiddle are just going to slog and saw through it like amateur night at the high school gym.
The drummer and the fiddle are far from the worst things about this song.
SlamAdams wrote:
Oh! I like this little set of lovey dovey songs! How sweet.
Set Theme: 8
Song Itself: 5
Agree! Billy Corgan left me at Siamese Dream.
physicsgenius wrote:
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the appeal here. Does anyone wake up in the morning and think "You know what I could really go for? 30 minutes of gravely whining!"
Well my kids are 6 and 7 year old girls, add their 12 year old half brother to the mix with the 30 minutes it takes to to drop them off it looks as if that equals 30 minutes of gravelly whining - like it or not.
Edit:
PG what would the mathmatic equation be for that??
Oh! I like this little set of lovey dovey songs! How sweet.
Set Theme: 8
Song Itself: 5
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the appeal here. Does anyone wake up in the morning and think "You know what I could really go for? 30 minutes of gravely whining!"
Play "Far Away Eyes"
Gish05 wrote:
He's right, Billy Gorgan has very little talent
please. Billy Gorgan is amazing.
trite and insulting. this is absolute crap. cueball should stay the hell away from country music for a bit of "intelligent irony" if the drummer and fiddle are just going to slog and saw through it like amateur night at the high school gym.
Shesdifferent wrote:
My sentiments exactly.. Don't they listen to their own songs.
Boring 
My sentiments exactly.. Don't they listen to their own songs.
Fortunately, I downloaded an mp3 back in the Limewire-era and I listen to it all the time (that means about 12 times annually).