romeotuma wrote:
Disneyland Dream???  The Fifties?? Oh, NO!!!   Don't you know that the US was in the iron grip of Evil Keynesianism, which only made things WORSE than the Great Depression?  I mean, people were eating pigeons in the Great Depression -  in the Fifties, they were reduced to eating things they found under rocks.  

Who Killed the Disneyland Dream?

 kurtster wrote:

 
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the US started WWII in order to prop up the economy?   Japan was just sort of minding its business in China, including some hijinks in Nanking, getting its naughty little fingers slapped at Khalkin Gol, and Germany was staging large military exercises...in Poland?  Not to mention the little matter of Pearl Harbor.  Oh, wait, don't tell me...any good CT nut maven could tell you that FDR purposely had the linchpin of US defenses in the Pacific destroyed, leaving the USN helpless, allowing the Japanese to run wild then fortify themselves, just to start a war.  That makes a lot of sense. 

Then there's Korea.  So, Republicans were doves in that one?  Including a certain Douglas MacArthur, a man whose pacific nature, amazing prudence and self control avoided a war with China?

Same for Vietnam. Democrats started it, and Republicans were dead set against it?  Republicans were doves??? Dwight D Eisenhower wanted nothing to do with a leftover colonial war from the French? 

 

 katzendogs wrote: 

Are you saying I'm getting soft or this is a REAL dead horse ?

Edit: I going with the latter and will let this sink to the bottom of the RAFT never to be brought out by me again.

 kurtster wrote: 
we need a new punching bag for you!

G'day Exo !

You know, I don't recall that you have ever shared anything here about your home outside the borders of Disneyland.  Just where is it ?

Please tell me and those that might be curious, just exactly where you are and why you like living where you do ?  I know that you are trying to save us.  Since I have always been interested in cultural exchange, please share with me how I can escape Disneyland and become your neighbor.

Surely you want to share the great things about where you live.  It seems to be getting tough all over lately, but you never complain about your home, just mine.

You might be right about your home, but if I don't know anything about it, how can I be sure that I would like it as much as you do ?

Regards,
kurtster

OK exo,  I've had it.  I'm going to bed and locking the doors.  You will just have to spend the night over at the Putin's. 

You got lots of splainin to do in the morning.

 katzendogs wrote: 
Then I'll use my sling shot.  I can get off more rounds faster.
They are still legal. aren't they ?

 kurtster wrote: 
Glad to see you are feisty! He has only a muzzle loader ya know?

Now exo, you are very tardy.  You have until the count of ten to get here or its time out in your room.

exotraxx wrote:
I thought Clarence Thomas's performance of "The Ballad of Roosevelt," with that refrain, "Waiting on Roosevelt" really spoke powerfully to the moment we're in. What do you think about the comparisons between Obama and Roosevelt that came up following the election?

Howard Zinn: It's interesting, you know, if Langston Hughes were around, we could have a poem, "Waiting on Obama." But the difference is, we shouldn't be waiting on Obama. We should be informing Obama that we expect more from him than he has done so far. Now, he has done some things that have moved in the right direction on domestic policy. In terms of the federal government taking a more aggressive stand in creating jobs, calling for a tax policy that will be directed at taking money from the richest one percent of the population, and easing the tax burden on other people, some of the initiatives he's taken have been good.

But his domestic policies are not bold enough. He is still doing too much through the market system, through private enterprise. For instance, right now he is having a a big conference with people who are giving him advice on the health system. But he has not shown an inclination to do what the public really wants and what is absolutely neeeded, and that is to institute a government-financed health system which will bypass the insurance companies - the kind of system they have in Canada, and France, Italy, New Zealand. He's not shown the boldness necessary in certain domestic programs, even though as I say, he's moving little bit at a time in the right direction.

The economic situation is so bad. Although it's not as bad as it was in 1932, it's bad enough that it calls for bolder domestic measures. It calls for the government to institute, as Roosevelt did in his first couple years, a huge jobs program. The federal government under Roosevelt gave jobs to six million people; if you did it proporational to population, Obama would be creating a jobs program that would give jobs to ten million peope. He's very far from that. If he were bold enough, he would be instituting a federal arts program - one of the very best things that came out of the New Deal - where artists and musicians and writers and poets would be given jobs by the government to do the things they wanted to do. These are people who are bypassed by the market system. Artists struggle and they have to take other meanigless jobs in order to continue to do their art. And that's all, as I said, with his domestic policy.

With his foreign policy, unfortunately, he shows no signs of departing from the traditional militarism of the Democratic and Republican parties. The idea of sending more troops to Afghanistan is disastrous, really absurd. I mean, almost as soon as he came into office he sent missiles into Pakistan. Civilians were killed. The whole tone of foreign policy, adding more soldiers, leaving 50,000 in Iraq even after withdrawing them in 16 months, all of this is very bad. And, therefore, he's going to need a great big push - protest, really. He's going to need demonstrations and protest and letters and petitions. He's going to have to face the kind of agitation that Roosevelt faced when he came into office.

Hi exo, over here in the red white and blue.  You never knew that Roosevelt was only able to lower unemployment to 15 % by 1939. (Edit: Hasn't Germany averaged about 9 % for the last 20 years ?) His plans weren't so brilliant in hindsight.  Took a war to get it together.  Did you know that the great wars of the the 20th Century that the US participated in were originally prosecuted by Democrats.  Desert Storm was the first by a Republican.  It seems when you can't handle an economy, you start a war.  That could be viewed by some as a Democrat habit.  But Bush went and stole their thunder by going into Iraq. 

I'm up for you tonight exo, I'll even go back to the Pirates of the Barbary Coast if you like.

?!?!?!?!?!?!  The horror  !!!!

 brandog wrote: 
Shot!

A mannlicher carcano in every garage.

I would become and EX citizen.

Maybe EXO is president ...


Pluto has been demoted.

Minnie would be persecuted

stoned...your preferred state of mind when Exo posts

 aflanigan wrote: 

...and a drumroll.
No wait,.....maybe just a rim-shot where applicable.