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Just glancing, I think she was making the point that the original headline was casting a shaming light on Iran for stoning to death a women on Human Rights day, while we (a UN member, thus presumably a tacit support of this human rights thing) have executed several dozen of our own. I didn't see religion mentioned in either instance, you brought that along.
I did see race mentioned though, and gender. I waffle quite a bit on the death penalty as a punishment, but with the way our 'justice' system works I definitely have issues with executions. Until we can get a handle on at least a pretense of a fair and equal justice system, taking lives of offenders needs to be off the table. Human rights - applies to all humans, regardless of race, creed, color, economic status, or any other differentiator.
I actually see capital punishment in the same light; it has never been a very big issue with me personally because I know that sentencing people to death is not really a deterrent at all unless a killer is released early for some reason and kills again but I imagine that does not happen often because usually the heinous offense is met with at least a life sentence or at least I hope so. As far as the UN goes, not a big fan of them or most of the countries governments who constitute their membership with the US being one of the biggest hypocrites as you and Meow so correctly noted. Nobody listens to them and quite frankly civilization is nowhere near evolved enough to implement justice and individual human rights to so many sovereign nations with their own agenda. The results of trying are worse than if they didn't even exist imo. In other words both Iran's theocracy and US hypocritical finger wagging whilst meddling and bombing its way through the Middle East and Africa can suck it.
yes. It was a UN thing. I think it's interesting when people decide that they UN is relevant and when it is not.
I think that was the point Fox News was attempting to make with their provocative headline - that the UN is not relevant because there was a stoning in Iran, on Human Rights Day, and the UN could not prevent it. It was their attempt at irony by connecting simultaneous-yet-unrelated events. It's sort of like having a headline that reads "Bearded Man Mails Package on Ted Kaczynski's 73rd Birthday".
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Just glancing, I think she was making the point that the original headline was casting a shaming light on Iran for stoning to death a women on Human Rights day, while we (a UN member, thus presumably a tacit support of this human rights thing) have executed several dozen of our own. I didn't see religion mentioned in either instance, you brought that along.
I did see race mentioned though, and gender. I waffle quite a bit on the death penalty as a punishment, but with the way our 'justice' system works I definitely have issues with executions. Until we can get a handle on at least a pretense of a fair and equal justice system, taking lives of offenders needs to be off the table. Human rights - applies to all humans, regardless of race, creed, color, economic status, or any other differentiator.
yes. It was a UN thing. I think it's interesting when people decide that they UN is relevant and when it is not.
Would love to see a list of Muslim executions for the same time period, but also including the offense of the defendant. I can only assume that you posted that either to make the point that we are just as bad as the Muslim Theocracies in regards to human rights violations by applying the death penalty or that you are standing up for them because if we do it, then it must be ok. Either way, I fully respect those that are against the government undertaking the role of taking life, but do differientate between a society that would stone a woman to death in a public square for infidelity or not properly covering up as opposed to lethal injection of a convicted murderer. Context does matter, I have always been consistent of my criticism and quite frankly borderline disdain of the pious hypocritical ultra religious who have no problem quashing individual freedom and minority rights regardless of the religion. Why is it ok for neo liberals to bash (rightfully so) hypocritical evangelical Christians, but when it comes to conservative Mulsims, not only giving them a pass ,but even defending them for the exact same beliefs and persecution of women and minorities? I swear I just don't get it.
Just glancing, I think she was making the point that the original headline was casting a shaming light on Iran for stoning to death a women on Human Rights day, while we (a UN member, thus presumably a tacit support of this human rights thing) have executed several dozen of our own. I didn't see religion mentioned in either instance, you brought that along.
I did see race mentioned though, and gender. I waffle quite a bit on the death penalty as a punishment, but with the way our 'justice' system works I definitely have issues with executions. Until we can get a handle on at least a pretense of a fair and equal justice system, taking lives of offenders needs to be off the table. Human rights - applies to all humans, regardless of race, creed, color, economic status, or any other differentiator.
Would love to see a list of Muslim executions for the same time period, but also including the offense of the defendant. I can only assume that you posted that either to make the point that we are just as bad as the Muslim Theocracies in regards to human rights violations by applying the death penalty or that you are standing up for them because if we do it, then it must be ok. Either way, I fully respect those that are against the government undertaking the role of taking life, but do differientate between a society that would stone a woman to death in a public square for infidelity or not properly covering up as opposed to lethal injection of a convicted murderer. Context does matter, I have always been consistent of my criticism and quite frankly borderline disdain of the pious hypocritical ultra religious who have no problem quashing individual freedom and minority rights regardless of the religion. Why is it ok for neo liberals to bash (rightfully so) hypocritical evangelical Christians, but when it comes to conservative Muslims, not only giving them a pass ,but even defending them for the exact same beliefs and persecution of women and minorities? I swear I just don't get it.
THE United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights.
Revelationsthat top officials are targeting people to be assassinated abroad, including American citizens, are only the most recent, disturbing proof of how far our nation’s violation of human rights has extended. This development began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has been sanctioned and escalated by bipartisan executive and legislative actions, without dissent from the general public. As a result, our country can no longer speak with moral authority on these critical issues...
