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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 9:00am

 cc_rider wrote:

They've been mortgaging our future for years and years. Kicking the can down the road for decades. It's only just now the chickens are coming home to roost. And we're the ones covered in $hit.

 
That's why we have to un-elect these people and put in people with more ethics.

There are hardly any women in Congress, because the animosity is so horrible that they don't want to expose themselves to it. 
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:56am

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I love the way both sides play chicken with our futures. SOB's
 
They've been mortgaging our future for years and years. Kicking the can down the road for decades. It's only just now the chickens are coming home to roost. And we're the ones covered in $hit.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:49am

 cc_rider wrote:

Finally the Dems are getting organized and pushing the GOP into an indefensible corner. I don't know why it took them so long to figure out the GOP is not going to negotiate one iota, and turn the tables on them.

 



I love the way both sides play chicken with our futures.

SOB's
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:35am

 cc_rider wrote:

Finally the Dems are getting organized and pushing the GOP into an indefensible corner. I don't know why it took them so long to figure out the GOP is not going to negotiate one iota, and turn the tables on them.

 
This was actually a bipartisan effort that got passed with a simple majority, not the 60 that the Republicans have been demanding. 

By a 51-48 vote the Senate passed President Obama’s plan cut taxes for the middle class and end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. An election year trap has now been set for House Republicans as they will have to kill tax cuts for the middle class.

Republican and Democratic Senate leaders set the stage for passage of the bill by waving the 60 vote rule, which allowed the legislation to pass with simple majority vote.

Republicans played their role perfectly by complaining that Democrats were voting to raise taxes on America’s “job creators.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said, “I mean, here’s the Democrat plan for the economy: we’ll get this thing going again by raising taxes. Let’s take more money out of a small business and send it to Washington that’s how we’ll create jobs. Let us create the jobs instead of the small business owners out there — they don’t create the jobs anyway, Washington does. If you’re looking for the legislative equivalent of the President’s now famous view that ‘You didn’t build that’, this is it.They don’t think you deserve to keep what you’ve earned because you’re not responsible for earning it. They are. That’s the message Democrats are sending with today’s votes, that you’re not responsible for your success, Washington is. So give us your money, and we’ll handle it for you. That’s their tax plan. That’s their plan for the economy and jobs.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, “The majority of Americans, including a significant majority of Republicans, agree taxes should remain low for the middle class and the top 2 percent should pay their fair share to reduce the deficit. As I said, the majority of Republicans agree. The only place there is no agreement is with the Republicans in Congress.”

See how short and simple the Democratic argument is? McConnell had to weave an entire smokescreen of falsehoods centered around job creators and small businesses to justify his party’s opposition, whereas Reid was able to cut through the clutter with a simple argument about fairness. The traditional roles of the two parties have been reversed, and Democrats find themselves with the simple moral argument that iswildly popular with the American public.

 

 
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:28am

 hippiechick wrote: 
Finally the Dems are getting organized and pushing the GOP into an indefensible corner. I don't know why it took them so long to figure out the GOP is not going to negotiate one iota, and turn the tables on them.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:17am

Obama Sets a New Trap for Republicans as Senate Passes Plan To Kill Tax Cuts for the Rich


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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 8:06am

 Beaker wrote:

You seem to be rather out of touch with today's reality.  Perhaps you don't read much on energy trends??

Bakken (North Dakota):Oil companies rush to Bakken-fuelled boom

Texas shale oil in production now: Eagle Ford oil play hotter than Bakken, study says

Big, like Bakken, but in Canuckistan: Northwest Territories oil play big as Bakken

 
Perhaps I read these kind of investment prospectuses posing as "news" with a more critical eye than you.

US consumption alone is probably somewhere around 20 million bpd.   The claims made for production capability in Bakken and Eagle Ford don't even add up to one twentieth of US demand, never mind global demand. In the near term, Republican notions that we can gain "energy independence" through exploitation of kerogen extraction appear to be unrealistic.

Conspicuously absent from these "articles" is any discussion of production costs/shale oil economics (nor of the environmental costs/impact of such extraction).  If crude prices stay around 100 dollars a barrel for the forseeable future, it might be worth the gamble economically to invest in this sort of extraction (instead of simply retooling refineries to refine heavy, sour crude, which is plentiful), but if oil prices drop, it will be a losing investment, and shale oil production would be likely to cease in many places, as it has before.  I don't see Warren Buffett rushing in to back these kinds of projects.  But, by all means, you are welcome to invest your savings in the "fuel of the future".


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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 2:57pm

 Beaker wrote:

You seem to be rather out of touch with today's reality.  Perhaps you don't read much on energy trends??

Bakken (North Dakota):Oil companies rush to Bakken-fuelled boom

Texas shale oil in production now: Eagle Ford oil play hotter than Bakken, study says

Big, like Bakken, but in Canuckistan: Northwest Territories oil play big as Bakken

 
It's becoming harder/more expensive to get a motel room in Billings Montana, because many of the workers in the Bakken will commute to Billings on their off days, stay for a few and head back up. 600 miles R/T. And some of the motels charter buses for them so they don't even have to drive it. Now put your compass point on Williston and the pencil on Billings and see how big a circle that takes in.
 
 
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Now I can't go along with fracking. That shit is messing things up and it's only just getting started. 
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 2:03pm

 Beaker wrote:

Lyndon Johnson: Vietnam
Nixon: War on Drugs!
Gerald Ford: zzzzz
Carter: failure to lead!
Reagan: Grenada, Central America, Lebanon, Libya 
George Bush: Gulf War I
Clinton: Gulf War II / Bosnia
Dubya: Afstan & Iraq

* source: something I quickly found, not exactly guaranteed 100% accurate!

Oh, and here's a better link on that Interweb thingy, than what Flanny provided.  

 

Nice, non sequitur, dude!!!

You're mixing up your posts.


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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 1:58pm

 Beaker wrote:

Some smart folks have already figured out one key to turning around the debt, aka the annual deficit / trade imbalance.  It's called providing support to industry as they develop new energy reserves via fracking along with the untapped reserves of shale oil & gas. 
 

John Oliver of Colbert Report did a joke interview with Herman Cain last night about his "energy policy" and how to turn the economy around.  He suggested something similar, along the lines of extracting untapped reserves under federally owned park lands.   Most knowledgeable scientists understand that affordable, "clean" energy from shale oil is a pipe dream

People have been tilting at this particular windmill for over a century, which is why observers in the West say, "oil shale is the fuel of the future - and always will be."

Clicky here
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 12:40pm

 kurtster wrote:

While that may be true, its inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

Oil production in areas controlled by the Federal government is a third of what it was when Obama took office.  The only reason domestic oil production is up is because of production on privately held land.  The shales in the Dakotas are an example of this.  The fact that oil production is up inspite of how much production Obama has shut down in both offshore and federally held land shows how fast we can drill ourselves out of a jam givien the impetus and incentives to do so. 

All this bull puckey that we wouldn't see any results for 10 years if we started 'yesterday' has just been proven a campaign lie in reaction to the call for drill baby drill.

Just think how much better off we would be if Obama hadn't shut production on federally held areas.  Think of how much less cash we would be offshoring to foreign producers.  Obama is deliberately sending cash overseas by shutting down oil production wherever he can.  Cash that can be used here at home for Americans.  Remember that $2 Billion grant to Brazil and the promise that we would 'be Brazil's best customer' ?'

 

Jobs created - stated by TransCanada's own Pipeline Application to the State Department - estimates 4,000 - 6,000 temporary jobs throughout construction and approximately 50 permanent positions when the project is finished.

50 might-be American jobs, to transport Canadian Tar sands oil to Port Arthur, TX for Higher Priced Export. Not to help America's oil supply or lower prices for Americans, but merely helping Canada's Oil Producers make more money.

By the way, its already leaked 3 times - the last stopping the project for over 5 months.

High environmental risk for the U.S. when the benefits aren't going to come to us? For 50 jobs? I'll pass. 



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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 7:10pm

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I think he's terrified of being the 'Angry Black Man,' and thus turned away from so many of his stands during his 08 campaign. The Republicans are salivating, just waiting to pounce. What gets me is he's being vilified for being socialist — while we have more drilling than when Bush was in office and taxes are lower than the early 1930's. The ACA is the only thing he's done that is being spun that way.

bottom line: I'm voting for him because I am a woman and at least the dems try to stay out of a woman's personal bidness - not because I believe he will be able to do anything about a coming global economic shakedown. The correction is due and it is near.

 
80% of Obama's accomplishments are not heard about in the msm.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 6:50pm

 kurtster wrote:

While that may be true, its inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

Oil production in areas controlled by the Federal government is a third of what it was when Obama took office.   The only reason domestic oil production is up is because of production on privately held land.   The shales in the Dakotas are an example of this.   The fact that oil production is up inspite of how much production Obama has shut down in both offshore and federally held land shows how fast we can drill ourselves out of a jam givien the impetus and incentives to do so.  

All this bull puckey that we wouldn't see any results for 10 years if we started 'yesterday' has just been proven a campaign lie in reaction to the call for drill baby drill.

Just think how much better off we would be if Obama hadn't shut production on federally held areas.   Think of how much less cash we would be offshoring to foreign producers.   Obama is deliberately sending cash overseas by shutting down oil production wherever he can.   Cash that can be used here at home for Americans.   Remember that $2 Billion grant to Brazil and the promise that we would 'be Brazil's best customer' ? '

 
How much of that do you think went back  to his Caymans account?

 How this man is not in jail is an indictment against the entire American justice system.
 Guess all those Repulican SCOTUS members just might be on the same team he's on.

 Obama is not God. He is a member of the same murderous scumbag gang of criminals that have been destroying America for the last 10+ years.

 
   Oops.


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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 6:35pm

 Isabeau wrote:

I think he's terrified of being the 'Angry Black Man,' and thus turned away from so many of his stands during his 08 campaign. The Republicans are salivating, just waiting to pounce. What gets me is he's being vilified for being socialist — while we have more drilling than when Bush was in office and taxes are lower than the early 1930's. The ACA is the only thing he's done that is being spun that way.

bottom line: I'm voting for him because I am a woman and at least the dems try to stay out of a woman's personal bidness - not because I believe he will be able to do anything about a coming global economic shakedown. The correction is due and it is near.

 
While that may be true, its inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

Oil production in areas controlled by the Federal government is a third of what it was when Obama took office.  The only reason domestic oil production is up is because of production on privately held land.  The shales in the Dakotas are an example of this.  The fact that oil production is up inspite of how much production Obama has shut down in both offshore and federally held land shows how fast we can drill ourselves out of a jam givien the impetus and incentives to do so. 

All this bull puckey that we wouldn't see any results for 10 years if we started 'yesterday' has just been proven a campaign lie in reaction to the call for drill baby drill.

Just think how much better off we would be if Obama hadn't shut production on federally held areas.  Think of how much less cash we would be offshoring to foreign producers.  Obama is deliberately sending cash overseas by shutting down oil production wherever he can.  Cash that can be used here at home for Americans.  Remember that $2 Billion grant to Brazil and the promise that we would 'be Brazil's best customer' ?'
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 6:18pm

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Things like abortion should be between a woman and her doctors. It should have never been a political issue, IMO. If life is so sacred then why do we have slaughter houses? I say take away a man's right to steaks!

P.S. I like steaks... not that I can afford them anymore.

me too. the rarity makes them all the more special! {#High-five}
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 6:00pm

 Isabeau wrote:
I think he's terrified of being the 'Angry Black Man,' and thus turned away from so many of his stands during his 08 campaign. The Republicans are salivating, just waiting to pounce. What gets me is he's being vilified for being socialist — while we have more drilling than when Bush was in office and taxes are lower than the early 1930's. The ACA is the only thing he's done that is being spun that way.

bottom line: I'm voting for him because I am a woman and at least the dems try to stay out of a woman's personal bidness - not because I believe he will be able to do anything about a coming global economic shakedown. The correction is due and it is near.
 
Things like abortion should be between a woman and her doctors. It should have never been a political issue, IMO. If life is so sacred then why do we have slaughter houses? I say take away a man's right to steaks!

P.S. I like steaks... not that I can afford them anymore.


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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 5:45pm

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I don't blame Obama. I blame Republicans for standing in the way of every positive change while protecting their big money interests.

 
I think he's terrified of being the 'Angry Black Man,' and thus turned away from so many of his stands during his 08 campaign. The Republicans are salivating, just waiting to pounce. What gets me is he's being vilified for being socialist — while we have more drilling than when Bush was in office and taxes are lower than the early 1930's. The ACA is the only thing he's done that is being spun that way.

bottom line: I'm voting for him because I am a woman and at least the dems try to stay out of a woman's personal bidness - not because I believe he will be able to do anything about a coming global economic shakedown. The correction is due and it is near.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 5:34pm

I don't blame Obama. I blame Republicans for standing in the way of every positive change while protecting their big money interests.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 5:29pm

 Beaker wrote:
  " . . .regardless of which party your Americaners choose to put into office.  Obama is merely the latest occupant . . . Before that, and before 9/11, Dubya and the then Congress was pissing us off . . .  Politicians, their politics, and the business of global trade are reluctant bedfellows.  . . . Short term decision-making at its finest."  
 

Heartily Agree. Both parties are sell outs.

You comment on American Politics, yet you don't live in the U.S.?
Drones? How about over 4,500 dead from the war in Iraq from Dubya's oil grab? 
And let's consider the thousands of men and women - from both Wars - with life-altering wounds and will need lifetime care. 

Drones? Tax Returns?  Its all selective outrage.

Like you stated beaks, BOTH parties and most politicians in the early 21st century are effed up.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 5:18pm

 Isabeau wrote:

bokey's getting his groove back?  {#Eek}

 
{#Yes} Lack of exhaustion is a wonderful thing.
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